Call for Beijing to work with Taiwan to reunify in Chinese-style democracy

[Maxyu]

whatever, thats history now, and we wont make the same mistake to let any country to invade us any more.

Poor China, big mouth but coward, thats why she cant take back TW untill now

Funny to hear you pot calls we kettle black, brother.

 

[Maxyu]

Then why so horrified when we just want to kick out "communism" out from CCP, thurning it into CP, chinese party?
I can tell you, once a time china is so weak, that chinese have no choice but to eat $hit made by westerners, just to survive from being "starve to death". But in the future, once china revive its glory, WHY WE STILL NEED TO CONTINUAOUSLY EAT $HIT MADE BY WESTERNERS, but instead why dont we STARTED TO EAT FOOD MADE OUT OF CROPS AND LIVESTOCKS, THE HUMAN FOOD OUR ANCEESTORS ONCE EAT, rather than MADE IN WESTERN $HIT?

Is it just because this PIECE OF $HIT once help us to survive through famine, that now we are so "grateful", so "touched" until we have to EAT WESTERN MADE $HIT FOR ETERNITY?

I used to have a metaphor.

It's like driving. You want to speed up? Then kick to the low gear which is violent, noisy, polluting and cost, but full of power.

But when you have reached a certain speed which allows a cozy cruise, it is time to switch to higher gears, slowly and peacefully, and avoiding flameout all the time.

 

[FlowerSummer]

I used to have a metaphor.

It's like driving. You want to speed up? Then kick to the low gear which is violent, noisy, polluting and cost, but full of power.

But when you have reached a certain speed which allows a cozy cruise, it is time to switch to higher gears, slowly and peacefully, and avoiding flameout all the time.

I have another metaphor to describe my feelings regarding the "mordern China". Ahem!

Not too long ago we live on a coastal city, but one day there are pest came from nowhere and bring disaster to our homeland. To avoid the disaster, we were force to abandon our homeland and board on a ship named western $hit, which came out of nowhere and was manned by strangers. We leave the coast, bring what we can take with us, to the open sea.

Few days later those pest receded, and our homeland is in ruin. Nevertheles, the disaster were gone and some wish to rebuild and revive our homeland. But now among those citizens some was convinced by the captain of the western $hit, named CCP, that he can bring us to a WHOLE new land to start anew.

Arguments arises and some of the citizens feel horrified and confused, WHY WE NEED TO CHOOSE TO SAIL TO AN UNKNOWN OPEN SEA, WHEN WE HAVE A CITY, ALTHOUGH DAMAGED, BUT OWNED AND CREATED BY US, LAYING THERE WITHIN OUR EYESIGHT, WAITING FOR US TO RESTORE AND REVIVE IT? THE SUPPLIES ON THE SHIP ARE NEARLY DEPLETED, AND NO ONE KNOWS WHEN THE SHIP WILL SINK, BECAUSE OBVIOUSLY IT CANNOT LAST FOR ETERNITY. AND EVEN THE CAPTAIN MANAGE TO BRING THEM TO A NEW LAND, MAYBE WHAT WAITING FOR US IN THE NEWFOUNDLAND ARE ACTUALLY HORDES OF BARBARIC CANNIBALS, INSTEAD OF MILK AND HONEY.

 

[Viet]

...
When the Eight Nation Alliance reached Langfang on foot on June 18 1900, two Hui Muslim Generals Ma Fuxiang and his brother General Ma Fulu joined with the Boxers to ambush and beat the crap out of them . They then fled like cowards back to Tianjin.

On their second attempt to get to Beijing, they were also forced to travel on foot. Heavy casualties were inflicted upon them at Yangcun and Beicang, they lost even more soldiers than the Qing army at Beicang. At Beijing dozens of them were killed in battle and General Ma Fulu was martyred.

The only barbarians were the western imperialists and their colonial armies, including the Vietnamese who served in the French colonial armed forces and the British Indian Army. And the Japanese too. The Japanese and Vietnamese sided with their western colonialist masters in their attack and we will never forget this.

Anyone who calls for brotherhood with Japanese and insults our minorities like the Hui can f*** themselves, that includes several people on this forum. Namely Okemos. And outsiders like East Asia United can f**** off and mind their own business, don't tell us how to deal with our minorities. My family knew them in Taiwan while Okemos uses internet blogs and comments to tell us about them, LOL.

source pls!

 

[Kolaps]

Boxer rebels were surely thugs and savages,what they did?Kill the Chinese Christans,destroy the railroads and modern productions,if those actions were surely barbaric

Boxer rebels are heroes!!! Always!

 

[Kolaps]

What are the people of China today sacrificing for the CCP or China ? When a person from the country side goes to the city to work on a construction site or a assembly line that person is not doing it for the glory of the CCP or China but rather they are doing it so that they themselves or atleast their childrens can have a better live. They have the choice they can either stay in the country side or they can try to find work in the cities. No one is being forced to go to work in the cities.

Yes, the current achievements are from the hardwork of the Chinese people but good government policies over the past 35 years has played a part too.

And as far as China being "Communist" that period ended with the economic reforms back in the late 1970's. As for Communist ideological zealots they still exists but they are a small minority and current direction and policies of China certainly don't reflect their idea's.

The CCP doesn't own China. They have to be responsive to the need of the people and they are judged by their performence.

Having said all that i do know and acknowledge their shortcomings past present and most likely future. I guess everyone in the end has to make up their own balance of things and for me at this point in time atleast the balance of the CCP in China still falls in the positive.

CCP is not a communist anymore.

Chinese people don't believe in communism anymore too.

Actually people are very confuse with the CCP. It's CCP (communist) or "CCP" (Confucian/capitalist). It's a very bad PUBLIC RELATIONSHIP. China don't know how to marketing themselves. Just look at China's global perspective. China did nothing, but scored so low.

Like FlowerSummer said, many people are confusing between loyalty to China or loyalty to Communist, because CCP=communist=China.

When Hongkong people reject patriotic education, they are labeled as TRAITORS.
When Taiwan people reject reunification and stupid one country two systems, they are labeled as TRAITORS.

Well, actually Hongkong and Taiwan people are pointing to communism, not China. But since CCP=communist=China, everyone get confused.

 

[Kolaps]

That is not possible. If anything, given the human nature, what you want for China is impossible.

I said it before and will say it again: We do not live in an intellectual and moral vacuum. Everything we do, even biological actions, are motivated by a need and/or a want. We eat because of hunger, drink because of thirst, and war because of an irreconcilable difference.

It is impossible for a political party to be completely devoid of an ideological (moral) true north, so to speak. Even a monarchy still needs to claim some sort of moral justification for its existence, least of all historical continuance through the country's and the people's institutional memory, generation after generation. Anything can serve as an ideological true north, from religion to money, and today we see those extremes being played out across the world's countries. For religion, we have the Islamism in the ME. For money, we have Russia.

If what you say is intellectually, and equally important emotionally, possible, then China would have done it after Mao's death, or when the Soviet Union collapsed and left China the lone standard bearer of an utterly failed ideology when applied. Yes, I said emotionally because it is always the passion (heart) that motivates people to act to propagate and sustain what they believe (intellect) to be worthwhile and appropriate for their country and fellow countrymen.

Instead, what the world sees in China is a country being led by non-believing believers of an ideology abandoned in practice but retained in justification in order to keep itself in power. The world sees the facade in the CCP and accepts that facade because China needs that facade precisely because of the basic human need for an ideological true north. That need is more subtle and powerful than you think.

China has Confucianism...

We can restore our Confucianism and transform it into a modern 21st century Confucianism.

China can do it smoothly, with 3 minutes announcement, 7 days for celebration, and 5 years of preparation.

 

[FlowerSummer]

China has Confucianism...

We can restore our Confucianism and transform it into a modern 21st century Confucianism.

China can do it smoothly, with 3 minutes announcement, 7 days for celebration, and 5 years of preparation.

BEWARE!!! Fellow braindead CCP zealots will... er... Enlightened chinese communist will rise to BREAK THE 4 OLD! Break down the Kong family shop!! Break down feudalism! Break down supersition! Break down the capitalist class!

 

[Tractor]

Confucianism what a joke its confusionism if I can say like this.It's an invention of Kuomingtang firstly and then was introduced into mainland China 30 years ago.

 

[gambit]

China has Confucianism...

We can restore our Confucianism and transform it into a modern 21st century Confucianism.

China can do it smoothly, with 3 minutes announcement, 7 days for celebration, and 5 years of preparation.

And this new party needs to adopt Confucianism as its moral true north and therefore must work to convince the Chinese people that this is the appropriate and best path for China. This will be the party's platform. No different than when Marxism was the platform.

 

[Enemy]

I think for governance and foreign relationship, China can adopt 'Arthashastra' the finest, intense and hardcore political realism.

Because of its harsh political pragmatism, the Arthashastra has often been compared to Machiavelli's The Prince.

Is there any other book that talks so openly about when using violence is justified? When assassinating an enemy is useful? When killing domestic opponents is wise? How one uses secret agents? When one needs to sacrifice one's own secret agent? How the king can use women and children as spies and even assassins? When a nation should violate a treaty and invade its neighbor? Kautilya — and to my knowledge only Kautilya — addresses all those questions. In what cases must a king spy on his own people? How should a king test his ministers, even his own family members, to see if they are worthy of trust? When must a king kill a prince, his own son, who is heir to the throne? How does one protect a king from poison? What precautions must a king take against assassination by one's own wife? When is it appropriate to arrest a troublemaker on suspicion alone? When is torture justified? At some point, every reader wonders: Is there not one question that Kautilya found immoral, too terrible to ask in a book? No, not one. And this is what brings a frightful chill. But this is also why Kautilya was the first great, unrelenting political realist.

—Boesche (2002, p. 1)

Arthashastra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

There should not be any ism apart from realism.

 

[Wholegrain]

source pls!

http://www.defence.pk/forums/china-...y-chinese-style-democracy-12.html#post4602477

 

[nalan]

Confucianism what a joke its confusionism if I can say like this.It's an invention of Kuomingtang firstly and then was introduced into mainland China 30 years ago.

Everyone has their own point of view.Thats all.

 

[Kolaps]

And this new party needs to adopt Confucianism as its moral true north and therefore must work to convince the Chinese people that this is the appropriate and best path for China. This will be the party's platform. No different than when Marxism was the platform.

There's no the so-called party. What is the usefulness of one-party system name? It's misleading name. During imperial era, there's no the so-called political party. It's foreign idea and create more misleading.

By adopting Confucianism...we are actually not adopting it, because it's already part of Chinese people culture and everyday life. It's more like statement about our identity and commitment for cultural preservation. More like as symbolic that China is always China.

Modern 21st century Confucianism means we are also accepting modern idea, changing and commitment to further development and perfection.

Basically it doesn't change anything. More likely as a statement and moral boast. But most importantly, it eliminated fraction among Chinese and whole East Asian people, that are confused with China=CCP=communist kind of stuff.

It also a refresh start for anything.

 

[gambit]

There's no the so-called party. What is the usefulness of one-party system name? It's misleading name. During imperial era, there's no the so-called political party. It's foreign idea and create more misleading.

By adopting Confucianism...we are actually not adopting it, because it's already part of Chinese people culture and everyday life. It's more like statement about our identity and commitment for cultural preservation. More like as symbolic that China is always China.

Modern 21st century Confucianism means we are also accepting modern idea, changing and commitment to further development and perfection.

Basically it doesn't change anything. More likely as a statement and moral boast. But most importantly, it eliminated fraction among Chinese and whole East Asian people, that are confused with China=CCP=communist kind of stuff.

It also a refresh start for anything.

Wrong. There was: The Emperor.

This is where you failed to understand. There is a difference between a 'head of state' and 'head of government'. In the modern era, in countries that still have a constitutional monarchy like Great Britain, the monarchy is the 'head of state' while the Prime Minister is the 'head of government'. In France, the President is the 'head of state' and the PM is the 'head of government'. In the US, the President is both and that is unique.

Anyway...Under the 'imperial' system, the Emperor is the political party. His beliefs for the country, however he claimed to be derived from, Heaven or dynastic, sets the tone for the people. Call it the 'Party of Heaven' or the 'Party of the Golden Dragon' for all we care. There was no term for it but the reality is that it is exactly what we call it today: a political party. The Emperor then relies on assorted ministers to execute his will and ensure the orderly function of governance. The Emperor tolerates no alternatives to his beliefs. He cannot tolerate any alternatives else the people would begins to doubt the legitimacy of his rule.

The reason you WILL NOT concede to this is because probably you never took political science seriously and you are desperate to remove China from any Western influence, even to the point of denying the neutral phrasing 'political party' to denote a monarch's status.