C-130J for Indian Special Operation Forces

[prototype]

...does C-130J is an upgraded version of C-130 but that doesnt mean that it has become an Air superiority fighter, still a support and transport AC. Pakistan has designed its weapons systems for its C-130s. AK tanks can be deployed adequately from our current fleet. and thats what it has to do.btw here is the inventory
C-130B
C-130E
C-130E (ex-Australian)
L-100-20

Yes both of them do not have any considerable differences,just some minor changes

Just like the Indian version is equipped with the latest Rolls-Royce AE 2100D3 turboprop whereas the Pakistani 1 have Allison T56-A-15 turboprops

Other changer is in avionics and 6 bladed propellers

 

[SpArK]

The differences include new Rolls-Royce AE 2100 D3 turboprops with Dowty R391 composite scimitar propellers, digital avionics (including Head-Up Displays (HUDs) for each pilot) and reduced crew requirements (two pilots and one loadmaster—no navigator or flight engineer).

 

[Beskar]

Nice bird!

But what's with the Irish flag on the tail? Seriously, Indian Airforce should try to be a bit more creative.

Flag of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[SpArK]

Already posted..


http://www.defence.pk/forums/india-defence/30328-indian-air-force-news-discussions-59.html


http://www.defence.pk/forums/military-aviation/75389-c-130j-indian-special-operation-forces.html

 

[SpArK]

Nice bird!

But what's with the Irish flag on the tail? Seriously, Indian Airforce should try to be a bit more creative.

Flag of Ireland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Its Air Force Fin Flash

 

[Kinetic]

...does C-130J is an upgraded version of C-130 but that doesnt mean that it has become an Air superiority fighter, still a support and transport AC. Pakistan has designed its weapons systems for its C-130s. AK tanks can be deployed adequately from our current fleet. and thats what it has to do.btw here is the inventory
C-130B
C-130E
C-130E (ex-Australian)
L-100-20

Indian C-130J has more advanced senors, EW, avionics, self protection suite, refueling etc than Pakistani C-130. In most of the ways except the basic aircraft it is different.

These are the spare parts India getting with the aircrafts...

four Rolls Royce AE 2100D3 spare engines;
eight AAR-47 Missile Warning Systems;
eight AN/ALR-56M Advanced Radar Warning Receivers;
eight AN/ALE-47 Counter-Measures Dispensing Systems;
eight AAQ- 22 Star SAFIRE III Special Operations Suites.
eight ALQ-211 Suite of Integrated Radio Frequency Countermeasures;
two spare AN/ ARC-210 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio Systems (SINCGARS);
eight spare Secure Voice Very High Frequency/Ultra High Frequency Radios;
four spare Secure Voice High Frequency Radios;
three spare AN/ AAR-222 SINCGARS and Key Gen (KV-10) Systems;
one KIV-119 Nonstandard Communication/ COMSEC equipment;
two ARC-210 Nonstandard Communication/COMSEC equipment.


Pakistani C-130
http://www.defence.pk/gallery/data/650/C_130_2_.jpg

 

[Kinetic]

USA is removing most of the communication systems from C-130J as India is not willing to sign CISMOA. There is no possibilities of India signing such agreement and we should go for Indian or third countries comm eqp for C-130J like those on other aircrafts. I don't know if they will do it for P-8I and C-17 as well.





EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J
With India still hesitant to sign the contentious Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) with Washington, there's a great deal that's been written and said -- mostly speculative -- about what technology the US Government will withhold from equipment already ordered by India. Several commentators have said that the American equipment on order by India -- including the C-130Js and P-8 -- wouldn't be half as useful without the technologies that would come with them if India signs the CISMOA. I've just received the official list of gear that the US Government will NOT provide to the Indian Air Force on its C-130Js. It is important to remember that this is equipment that has specifically been asked for by India. As a result, these items will be kept off the aircraft and only "may" be fitted on the aircraft once the CISMOA is signed. Here's the official list of equipment that India won't get as a direct consequence of the hanging CISMOA:

* AN/ARC-222 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio System (SINCGARS) - Manufacured by Magnovox and administered by the US Air Force

* KV-119 IFF Digital Transponder (Mode 4 Crypto Applique) - Manufactured by Raytheon and administered by the US Air Force

* TACTERM / ANDVT Secure Voice (HF) Terminal - Administered by the US Air Force

* VINSON KY-58 Secure Voice (UHF/VHF) Module - Administered by the US Air Force

* Finally, the Rockwell-Collins AN/ARC-210(V) SATCOM Transceiver's COMSEC/DAMA embdedded RT is replaced with an RT that has no COMSEC/SINCGARS

Sources say the Indian government has a few specific reservations about the CISMOA (I'm gathering more on this), and is not convinced that there is any particular hurry to conclude the memorandum. Recently, US PACOM chief Admiral Bob Willard said in Delhi that the CISMOA was not a pre-requisite to India accessing a lot of advanced American communications technology, though this pretty much went against the sentiment in all other diplomatic and military visits from the US.

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J

 

[CONNAN]

USA is removing most of the communication systems from C-130J as India is not willing to sign CISMOA. There is no possibilities of India signing such agreement and we should go for Indian or third countries comm eqp for C-130J like those on other aircrafts. I don't know if they will do it for P-8I and C-17 as well.





EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J
With India still hesitant to sign the contentious Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) with Washington, there's a great deal that's been written and said -- mostly speculative -- about what technology the US Government will withhold from equipment already ordered by India. Several commentators have said that the American equipment on order by India -- including the C-130Js and P-8 -- wouldn't be half as useful without the technologies that would come with them if India signs the CISMOA. I've just received the official list of gear that the US Government will NOT provide to the Indian Air Force on its C-130Js. It is important to remember that this is equipment that has specifically been asked for by India. As a result, these items will be kept off the aircraft and only "may" be fitted on the aircraft once the CISMOA is signed. Here's the official list of equipment that India won't get as a direct consequence of the hanging CISMOA:

* AN/ARC-222 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio System (SINCGARS) - Manufacured by Magnovox and administered by the US Air Force

* KV-119 IFF Digital Transponder (Mode 4 Crypto Applique) - Manufactured by Raytheon and administered by the US Air Force

* TACTERM / ANDVT Secure Voice (HF) Terminal - Administered by the US Air Force

* VINSON KY-58 Secure Voice (UHF/VHF) Module - Administered by the US Air Force

* Finally, the Rockwell-Collins AN/ARC-210(V) SATCOM Transceiver's COMSEC/DAMA embdedded RT is replaced with an RT that has no COMSEC/SINCGARS

Sources say the Indian government has a few specific reservations about the CISMOA (I'm gathering more on this), and is not convinced that there is any particular hurry to conclude the memorandum. Recently, US PACOM chief Admiral Bob Willard said in Delhi that the CISMOA was not a pre-requisite to India accessing a lot of advanced American communications technology, though this pretty much went against the sentiment in all other diplomatic and military visits from the US.

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J

no worries the french and israel equipment will fill the gaps

 

[Capt.Popeye]

USA is removing most of the communication systems from C-130J as India is not willing to sign CISMOA. There is no possibilities of India signing such agreement and we should go for Indian or third countries comm eqp for C-130J like those on other aircrafts. I don't know if they will do it for P-8I and C-17 as well.


EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J
With India still hesitant to sign the contentious Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) with Washington, there's a great deal that's been written and said -- mostly speculative -- about what technology the US Government will withhold from equipment already ordered by India. Several commentators have said that the American equipment on order by India -- including the C-130Js and P-8 -- wouldn't be half as useful without the technologies that would come with them if India signs the CISMOA. I've just received the official list of gear that the US Government will NOT provide to the Indian Air Force on its C-130Js. It is important to remember that this is equipment that has specifically been asked for by India. As a result, these items will be kept off the aircraft and only "may" be fitted on the aircraft once the CISMOA is signed. Here's the official list of equipment that India won't get as a direct consequence of the hanging CISMOA:

* AN/ARC-222 Single Channel Ground and Airborne Radio System (SINCGARS) - Manufacured by Magnovox and administered by the US Air Force

* KV-119 IFF Digital Transponder (Mode 4 Crypto Applique) - Manufactured by Raytheon and administered by the US Air Force

* TACTERM / ANDVT Secure Voice (HF) Terminal - Administered by the US Air Force

* VINSON KY-58 Secure Voice (UHF/VHF) Module - Administered by the US Air Force

* Finally, the Rockwell-Collins AN/ARC-210(V) SATCOM Transceiver's COMSEC/DAMA embdedded RT is replaced with an RT that has no COMSEC/SINCGARS

Sources say the Indian government has a few specific reservations about the CISMOA (I'm gathering more on this), and is not convinced that there is any particular hurry to conclude the memorandum. Recently, US PACOM chief Admiral Bob Willard said in Delhi that the CISMOA was not a pre-requisite to India accessing a lot of advanced American communications technology, though this pretty much went against the sentiment in all other diplomatic and military visits from the US.

Livefist - The Best of Indian Defence: EXCLUSIVE: No CISMOA? Here's What They're Pulling From The Indian C-130J

The key words here are:Communication Interoperability & Security Memorandum of Agreement (CISMOA) i.e. interoperability with US forces and equipment. When will this need to happen? Only in case of joint operations with the US. How often or likely is that to be? e.g.India is not part of WOT right now.

IMHO, this is not a big deal. Do you think that the IAF has no communication equipment in its existent aircraft? And do you think that they are insecure? Communication equipment that is standard to the IAF inventory can be fitted and used.
Similar conditions apply to the P-8I and C-17 deals. Now if we assume that the capabilities of these aircraft stand impaired in any way, there are alternate indigenous and foreign sources to rectify that.

On some other threads, there have been some grouses expressed about the Trenton/Jalashwa deal. Similar equipment was removed from that ship. But the radars, armament (incl. Phalanx CIWS) and helicopters were retained. The ship remained operational.

i would'nt think too much about this business.

IMO, the GoI is (understandably) reluctant to sign the CISMOA (at least in its present form) because of political imperatives (it does not wish to get too wrapped up into US execution of its policies) and it has very little (if any) practical consequences.
And GoI always has a living example of a neighbour's experiences in such matters to go by. There is a method to this (seeming) madness.

 

[sancho]

There is one more difference, because IAF is only procuring the normal C130J, but the streched C130J-30:

 

[Kinetic]

 

[jha]

There is one more difference, because IAF is only procuring the normal C130J, but the streched C130J-30:

I thought we were procuring SUPER-HERCULES..Clarification needed on this one..

 

[Hoodibaba]

I have a question for everyone.

Does this type of a plane involve such complex technologies that we cannot make it indigenously?

At the end of the day, it is only a very big aircraft with a lot of empty space within. What is so hi-tech in this?

 

[Kinetic]

I have a question for everyone.

Does this type of a plane involve such complex technologies that we cannot make it indigenously?

India is developing MTA along with Russia. It will be capable of doing all the tasks of C-130J SH.

At the end of the day, it is only a very big aircraft with a lot of empty space within. What is so hi-tech in this?

1) It can fly low, can operate in rough weather conditions, unprepared air fields and very silently.

2) The related equipments also made it hi tech. See the list of spare parts and other related systems on board the aircraft.

 

[sancho]

I thought we were procuring SUPER-HERCULES..Clarification needed on this one..

We are, C130J is also called Super Hercules, because it is the latest version of the Herc (similar to F18 Hornet and Supert Hornet). The J-30 is only the designation for the streched varient, that as the pic shows, has a longer cabin. I guess they just called it different in the pic to make the difference clearer.

I have a question for everyone.

Does this type of a plane involve such complex technologies that we cannot make it indigenously?

At the end of the day, it is only a very big aircraft with a lot of empty space within. What is so hi-tech in this?

Yes and actually too many things that we didn't mastered yet. Just look at Saras, RTA, or LCA and you will understand that we are only at the begining. It might look easy, but really we still have a long way to go.