By 2020, India will emerge ahead of China on several counts in economy

[AViet]

India has the soft infrastructure in place such as freedom of speech, freedom of the press, freedom of thought, rule of law, independent judiciary. India also has a young population whereas China’s population is rapidly ageing which will cause major problems for them. Old populations lack energy and become a burden.

You sound like an Indian living in Australia, because what you said have been repeated on this forum in last 10 years by various Indian.

I do not mean to bash India here but all of the things you mentioned are curses, not blessing to India, at least for this period of development, A lot of current Indian members on this forum agree with that. But I am afraid that all Western civilizations are still too young to understand. You are so ideologist and still believe there is a clear demarcation between black and white. We East Asian do not think like that, even if you ask a Japanese, the closest Western ally.

Western societies, as Indian's Indo-European cousins, are closer to Indian not only linguistically but culturally (as you said, they have Western values in their vein). On the other hand, I cannot imagine an Indian to be a CEO in an East Asian multi-national corporation.

 

[FedererExpress]

You sound like an Indian living in Australia, because what you said have been repeated on this forum in last 10 years by various Indian.

I do not mean to bash India here but all of the things you mentioned are curses, not blessing to India, at least for this period of development, A lot of current Indian members on this forum agree with that. But I am afraid that all Western civilizations are still too young to understand. You are so ideologist and still believe there is a clear demarcation between black and white. We East Asian do not think like that, even if you ask a Japanese, the closest Western ally.

Western societies, as Indian's Indo-European cousins, are closer to Indian not only linguistically but culturally (as you said, they have Western values in their vein). On the other hand, I cannot imagine an Indian to be a CEO in an East Asian multi-national corporation.

No, I’m not an Indian. Many Indians I’ve dealt with are arrogant and got a high opinion of themselves and their country. They are even more annoying than Chinese.

But if it comes down to India vs China, I’ll choose India because of its values being similar to the West. China is a totalitarian Communist dictatorship that has nothing in common with us, while India is a Democracy with similar values to us.

Chinese people don’t assimilate with locals. They stay among their own and talk in their own language. Many Chinese come and can’t speak a word of English. Whereas Indians mix and mingle with locals and can easily speak English. Indians have more social skills than Chinese which makes its easier to have interactions with Indians and learn about them. This is why you see many Indian CEOs of Western multinationals. This is what I’ve observed.

 

[thewayoftheworld]

No, I’m not an Indian. Many Indians I’ve dealt with are arrogant and got a high opinion of themselves and their country. They are even more annoying than Chinese.

But if it comes down to India vs China, I’ll choose India because of its values being similar to the West. China is a totalitarian Communist dictatorship that has nothing in common with us, while India is a Democracy with similar values to us.

Chinese people don’t assimilate with locals. They stay among their own and talk in their own language. Many Chinese come and can’t speak a word of English. Whereas Indians mix and mingle with locals and can easily speak English. Indians have more social skills than Chinese which makes its easier to have interactions with Indians and learn about them. This is why you see many Indian CEOs of Western multinationals. This is what I’ve observed.

Spoken from descendent of Anglo criminals. Has Anglo ever assimilate with the locals? Anglo-Americans forced people to follow them, to the point of cultural genocide. Do you see any Anglo countries speaking non-Anglo language? Anglo-American are like a virus. They do to other countries and spread their filth and usurped the culture to their own deprave cultural norms. Go to any countries and you see Anglo hanging out with other Anglo in their own community walled off with the locals. Once they get powerful enough, they used guns to annex the territory (ie. Hawaii).

Chinese tries too hard to assimilate, even taking up Anglo names to make it easy for American and Britshit people to pronounce, whereas India keeps their own names. The reason why you see Indian CEOs is because they know how to "talk" BS.

 

[FedererExpress]

Spoken from descendent of Anglo criminals. Has Anglo ever assimilate with the locals? Anglo-Americans forced people to follow them, to the point of cultural genocide. Do you see any Anglo countries speaking non-Anglo language? Anglo-American are like a virus. They do to other countries and spread their filth and usurped the culture to their own deprave cultural norms. Go to any countries and you see Anglo hanging out with other Anglo in their own community walled off with the locals. Once they get powerful enough, they used guns to annex the territory (ie. Hawaii).

Chinese tries too hard to assimilate, even taking up Anglo names to make it easy for American and Britshit people to pronounce, whereas India keeps their own names. The reason why you see Indian CEOs is because they know how to "talk" BS.

If you come to live in our country, learn to speak the language of the country you live in. At the very least learn basic English words. Respect our culture and stop trying to change our culture.

Assimilate by learning our language, respect our culture, respect our tradition, respect our holidays, respect our way of life. If I was living in an East Asian country, I would respect their culture, respect their traditions, respect their holidays, respect their way of life and learn their language. It’s disrespectful not to do so.

We don’t want to see ‘China towns’ here. Assimilate and we will respect you.

 

[lonelyman]

By 2020, India will emerge ahead of China on several counts in economy

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Sunday, July 16, 2017
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India and China are not only neighbours but also rivals. They jostle with one another along the borders in three sectors, over support to Pakistan and terror outfits, in taking global leadership roles on critical issues, over NSG membership, as military powers, as regional leaders, over Nepal and of course, Doklam plateau of Bhutan.

India and China together are home to little less than 37 per cent population of the world and thus are centres of future. They are the biggest emerging powers of the world.

China has achieved more progress and prosperity over the last two-three decades by increasing public investment in its manufacturing industries. India is in catching up game right now, but there are indications that the tide is turning against China and in favour of India.


CHINA'S GROWTH STORY NEARING END

For better part of the last three decades, China has grown at the fastest rate among big economies. India's growth rates were dwarfed by the Chinese. The economy of China is about five times bigger than that of India.

China achieved this growth riding on the back of massive investment in urban based manufacturing and infrastructure. The manufacturing infrastructure of China has now reached a point of diminishing returns. There are several reports about crisis in manufacturing sector in China.

On the other hand, India has picked up in the last few years. Its average growth rate of about 5 per cent in the last decade was low in terms of number but solid on fundamentals. Since 2015, India has emerged as the fastest growing nation among the big economies.

There are several estimates suggesting that in 2020s, India will emerge ahead of China on several counts in economy. The recent reforms by the Narendra Modi government are only expected to give boost to Indian economy whose fundamentals are more balanced than those of China. A democratic India has more scope for fast and balanced growth than communist China.


MOUNTING DEBT OF CHINA

Economists say that debt is essential for economic growth of a country. But, in China's case, debt is fast turning into a liability in literal terms. Very high debt-GDP ratio has been found to slow down the growth rates.

In 2015, China's total debt stood at 282 per cent of its GDP. China is practically awash in debt. Though, the debt-GDP ratio for the US was 331 per cent. But, then the two economies have certain basic differences in the nature.

India's total debt in 2015 was 135 per cent of the GDP. The fact that India's debt-GDP ratio is around only half of China's and that it is maintaining its level over the last decade is a strong indication that the faster growth rates are to stay here. India is likely to witness many years of fast growth rate which does not seem to be the case with China.


AND, THE TRUMP FACTOR

While China and the US have looked as adversaries on aspects of geostrategy, Chinese economy is modeled in such a way that makes it overtly dependent on the policy mood of the White House. And, the White House has a new occupant, who blames China and Mexico for slowdown in the US economy.

Incidentally, US President Donald Trump has expressed on more than one occasion that India can be an economic and strategic partner of America.

Chinese economy is export driven. Its manufacturing units are designed to produce goods for export. This feature alone has given China a huge advantage over Indian economy but, it also makes Beijing vulnerable. Any change in the trade dynamics of the world will severely impact Chinese economy.

According to one estimate, export contributes about 21 per cent of China's GDP. Of all the exports about 18 per cent goes to the US, which translates into about 4 per cent of China's GDP. Donald Trump may change the way the business has been going on between the US and China.

Trump has indicated that his administration will not hesitate from creating walls to block or put a curb on the entry of Chinese goods into the US. This is in sync with Trump's America First policy. Trump wants to give a boost to America's slowing manufacturing industry to generate more local jobs. If Trump succeeds, China is bound to fail.

On the other hand, India's manufacturing is not export-oriented. Reforms in India have focused on increasing domestic competition. India's services sector is export oriented and is bound to grow further. The US is likely to favour India's services sector, which provides jobs to local youth there more than the Chinese manufacturers.

Donald Trump's policies could be a game-changer for both India and China.
http://www.defencenews.in/article/B...-of-China-on-several-counts-in-economy-263227

 

[Rusty]

No, I’m not an Indian. Many Indians I’ve dealt with are arrogant and got a high opinion of themselves and their country. They are even more annoying than Chinese.

But if it comes down to India vs China, I’ll choose India because of its values being similar to the West. China is a totalitarian Communist dictatorship that has nothing in common with us, while India is a Democracy with similar values to us.

Chinese people don’t assimilate with locals. They stay among their own and talk in their own language. Many Chinese come and can’t speak a word of English. Whereas Indians mix and mingle with locals and can easily speak English. Indians have more social skills than Chinese which makes its easier to have interactions with Indians and learn about them. This is why you see many Indian CEOs of Western multinationals. This is what I’ve observed.

You and I seem to share similar point of views in terms of freedom and democracy.
So I hope you understand what I am saying.
India only has a veneer of democracy and freedom. Just like China only has a veneer of communism.

They pretend to be democratic but they are one of the worst authoritarian societies out there.
Just look at what is happening now. A fascist regime is trying to ethnically cleanse minorities out of India.

If the choice is between India and China, I would choose neither as neither of those countries believe in democracy and freedoms.

 

[FedererExpress]

You and I seem to share similar point of views in terms of freedom and democracy.
So I hope you understand what I am saying.
India only has a veneer of democracy and freedom. Just like China only has a veneer of communism.

They pretend to be democratic but they are one of the worst authoritarian societies out there.
Just look at what is happening now. A fascist regime is trying to ethnically cleanse minorities out of India.

If the choice is between India and China, I would choose neither as neither of those countries believe in democracy and freedoms.

I understand what you mean. Modi is a Hindu supremacist with his connections to the RSS. But in India at least you can vote Modi out in elections. Whereas in China you can’t vote out the CCP. I don’t like India either, but they are the lesser of 2 evils. Communism is absolutely repulsive for me. I cannot support a Communist dictatorship that goes against all the values I hold. Xi and Modi are murderous despots.

 

[kankan326]

Indians are good at speaking English which is the universal language. This will help them over Chinese in terms of cultural power in movies and music globally.

Actually Chinese language is more suitable for science than English. Chinese is monosyllabic language. Which gives big advantage when dealing with math and science problems.

For example, 6x8=48. In English, your brain will read "si'k's', ei't', for'ty', ei't'".
In Chinese it's "liu',ba',si'shi'ba".

The number 5697, in English it's "fi've', thou'san'd', si'k's', hun'dre'd', nine'teen', se'ven'"
In Chinese, "wu', qian', liu' bai', jiu' shi' qi'"
Chinese is more efficient than English.

And Chinese is more logical than English. Chinese words are combined by two or three related meaning Chinese characters. It' quite easy to know what it is when you read a Chinese word.

For example, “quadrilateral” in Chinese is 四边形（four sides shape）. "pentagon" in Chinese 五边形（five sides shape）. "icosahedron" in Chinese is 二十边形（twenty sides shape）

For a new thing, English has to create a new word. Chinese just needs to make a new combination of these characters.

 

[kankan326]

I understand what you mean. Modi is a Hindu supremacist with his connections to the RSS. But in India at least you can vote Modi out in elections. Whereas in China you can’t vote out the CCP. I don’t like India either, but they are the lesser of 2 evils. Communism is absolutely repulsive for me. I cannot support a Communist dictatorship that goes against all the values I hold. Xi and Modi are murderous despots.

Vote is not something that really matters for a country's leader. Xi was chosen by CCP organization department and politicians. Which are more professional than ordinary voters. You can see Chinese leaders were always smarter than their US counterparts.

Chinese leaders are not selected by voters. But they do care how ordinary people think of them. The CCP has the sense of crisis. They know if they don't do well, they will lose their rule. I dare say most voted leaders don't have this kind of sense of crisis. Because they won the vote and believe they deserve the power.

Chinese leaders like to make some achievements to prove themselves. Democratic leaders don't have to do so because winning the election itself has proven themselves.

 

[AViet]

Vote is not something that really matters for a country's leader. Xi was chosen by CCP organization department and politicians. Which are more professional than ordinary voters. You can see Chinese leaders were always smarter their US counterparts.

Chinese leaders are not selected by voters. But they do care how ordinary people think of them. The CCP has the sense of crisis. They know if they don't do well, they will lose their rule. I dare say most voted leaders don't have this kind of sense of crisis. Because they won the vote and believe they deserve the power.

Chinese leaders like to make some achievements to prove themselves. Democratic leaders don't have to do so because winning the election itself has proven themselves.

He will never understand. East Asia has our tradition of democracy, which is different than the current stupid Westerns-style democracy. Taiwan are sucked since they adopted Western-style democracy in 1990s.

Western-style democracies will have to change or face the revolution from inside.

 

[kankan326]

He will never understand. East Asia has our tradition of democracy, which is different than the current stupid Westerns-style democracy. Taiwan are sucked since they adopted Western-style democracy in 1990s.

Western-style democracies will have to change or face the revolution from inside.

I was always shocked by Taiwanese stupidity. They never stop talking their democracy and freedom very proudly regardless their economy stagnation for more than 20 years. Democracy is supposed to serve poeple's lives. In Taiwan, poeple's lives serve democracy. "宁可肚子扁扁，也要选阿扁”（I would vote for 陈水扁 even if nothing to eat）. Taiwanese are highly policized people.

 

[Rusty]

I was always shocked by Taiwanese stupidity. They never stop talking their democracy and freedom very proudly regardless their economy stagnation for more than 20 years. Democracy is supposed to serve poeple's lives. In Taiwan, poeple's lives serve democracy. "宁可肚子扁扁，也要选阿扁”（I would vote for 陈水扁 even if nothing to eat）. Taiwanese are highly policized people.

Curious.
you are using your free speech to talk against democracy and defending dictatorship, while having to us a VPN to bypass dictatorial ban on free speech.

I have brought this up with many of our Chinese friend and they just ignore it do change the subject or do what about ism.

No Chinese member has ever been able to answer this conundrum.

 

[kankan326]

Curious.
you are using your free speech to talk against democracy and defending dictatorship, while having to us a VPN to bypass dictatorial ban on free speech.

I have brought this up with many of our Chinese friend and they just ignore it do change the subject or do what about ism.

No Chinese member has ever been able to answer this conundrum.

1, Regarding VPN, I answered your question yesterday. Here it is---"Blocking some American softwares/websites is part of the reasons why China is the only country in the world that doesn't rely on American Google/Facebook and successfully created Chinese version ecosystem. This is much more important than the inconvenience brought by the block."
2, We can talk about democracy in China's forums. China is much free than you believed.

 

[AViet]

Curious.
you are using your free speech to talk against democracy and defending dictatorship, while having to us a VPN to bypass dictatorial ban on free speech.

I have brought this up with many of our Chinese friend and they just ignore it do change the subject or do what about ism.

No Chinese member has ever been able to answer this conundrum.

Relatively (controlled) free speech is good, but absolutely (uncontrolled) free speech is bad
Relatively (limited) democracy is good, but Western-style (universally) democracy is bad and stupid (which make equal an university professor with an drug-addicted thug)
Relatively (controlled) free religion is good, but absolutely (unbridled) free religion is dangerous

Just some basic points.

To maintain the balance, i.e. the relativity of every thing, is a difficult job. But it seems that Western top leaders, historically, have not wanted to do that, so they always put things into extremity.

Current extremely free Western societies will go to extremely un-free societies in future. That is the inevitable consequence.

 

[Rusty]

Relatively (controlled) free speech is good, but absolutely (uncontrolled) free speech is bad
Relatively (limited) democracy is good, but Western-style (universally) democracy is bad and stupid (which make equal an university professor with an drug-addicted thug)
Relatively (controlled) free religion is good, but absolutely (unbridled) free religion is dangerous

Just some basic points.

but who gets to say what is the limit?
One man in a major city?

The flaw with your argument is that unless a God like being comes down the from the sky and tells us exactly what the limits are, the only people setting limits are other people.

And since people are setting limits then why listen to one person over another?

For example, no joke, if I had the power I would make iPhones illegal. I hate apple, I hate iphones, I hate it all.
But I am glad I don't have that power, instead people collectively have the power to buy an iPhone or not.

Your religion like argument also goes against all the data.
Every major economy in the world is a democratic free society.

China and India are the exceptions, but that is only because they have a billion people each.
It is not hard to be a major economy when you have so many people.

Place like Germany, Australia, Canada have populations the size one or two major Chinese cities have such a higher quality of life and wealth that so many Chinese wealthy are flocking to live there.
No one is flocking to Live in China.

Even in China, democracy is winning since their wealthy are voting to move to Canada (while still dong business in China of course )