Bus blown up in terrorist attack in Central Tel Aviv

[Solomon2]

jus cuz they made weed legal ur part i can see the crap u keep writing ... stoned man !!! no worry there r plenty more lovers like u ...

Do you see illegibility and obscurantism as the apotheosis of literary power?

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Jews do have a finely-tuned sense of justice that offends criminal and dishonest elements, the sort who too often reach for or are appealed to for power. This was discussed yesterday, when I pointed out that Jews couldn't forgive a person for murdering his fellow, whereas a Christian might well do so and thus continue to do business and interact socially with such a person.

This concept is very interesting to me.

Forgiveness is a virtue sometimes, but not always.

 

[Solomon2]

So we return once more to my core argument: the necessity for Pakistanis in particular to publicly and unconditionally condemn Hamas and its methods and aims, lest your society end up as twisted and brain-dead as BOLITAS and others I've debated above. How are you going to do this? Can you actually risk publicly supporting Israel without getting your throats cut, or not?

This concept is very interesting to me.

Forgiveness is a virtue sometimes, but not always.

Exactly. If anything, the Zionists of the past and today have forgiven Jew-killers far too often and too much. That encourages barbarity, not civilization.

 

[faithfulguy]

Its time you learn to fight your own fights. People have spoken in the election. They are not going to fight for the warmongers.

Go sign up with IDF and learn to fight for your cause. Its time you stop being the keyboard warrior and act like a man.

I do not want any more American blood shed for Netan-yahoo.

We can support
Israel without sending money to them. We need to realize that America is broke first. However, in principle, America should support Israel in spirit and diplomatically.

 

[Alienoz_TR]

The Saudi's preferred option. To begin with, the Zionists decided when the Brits offered them Uganda in the early 1900s that it wasn't right to establish the Jewish National Home anyplace other than the land the Jews' were originally dispersed from and dreamt of returning to at every prayer service and seder: Zion. A more important reason as far as the United Nations was concerned was that its predecessor had already established Palestine as the Jewish National Home in 1920. You can't support a "National Home" if you establish a precedent demanding the people within it move after only twenty-five years, can you? As a practical matter, dumping the Jews in the middle of a Germany that so recently had succeeded in wiping out so many of them obviously endangered the Jews far more than having them remain among the Arabs, who had so far failed to do so. In addition, there was no legal basis for evicting the Jews from Mandate territory they had legally purchased from Arabs over many decades.

Expand, as I have no idea what you're talking about.

Saudis prefered what? Saudis were a tribe that collaborated with British to divide Ottoman Empire. They never had a say in international politics, just pawns. From 1917 on, allies had the control in Levantine. Allied powers shaped those soil according to their plan.

You say, instead of war-torn, mass raped, Germans on their knees wiping out Jews after 1945, you decided to dump them in ME among tribal weak organized Arabs, so that Jews can deal with them easily.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

Jews do have a finely-tuned sense of justice that offends criminal and dishonest elements, the sort who too often reach for or are appealed to for power. This was discussed yesterday, when I pointed out that Jews couldn't forgive a person for murdering his fellow, whereas a Christian might well do so and thus continue to do business and interact socially with such a person.

Solomon do you have any link which further expands on this concept?

It is true that some people are too forgiving. Buddhists in history were often the forgiving types, and they ended up being replaced.

Sometimes, forgiveness is not a virtue.

 

[faithfulguy]

We have a Indian with IQ 60, thats unbeliavable. In Indian standards, of course.

Stop bringing superpower India into this discussion. The current conflict is between Israel and Palestinians, not between India and its legion of white servants.

 

[Peregrine]

Even a person with one neuron in his brain can make out that its a hoax. Bus exploded and no one died............wow! Terrorists are behind it, but none other than Zionist terrorists.

 

[Solomon2]

Saudis prefered what? Saudis were a tribe that collaborated with British to divide Ottoman Empire. They never had a say in international politics, just pawns.

The Brits allied with both the Husseins and the Sauds. While the Husseins were otherwise occupied the Saudis took control of the Hijaz. The Brits didn't plan that, but they had no way to punish the Sauds for doing so, either, so they accepted this and gave one of the Hussein boys Iraq, and the other one Jordan. Consolation prizes.

From 1917 on, allies had the control in Levantine. Allied powers shaped those soil according to their plan.

In addition to being firmly Zionist in 1917 the British were still imperialists and anti-French and keen to lock them out of as much of the middle east as possible. That's why Britain sought to ally with Arabs who had no power base of their own other than lineage and British money: Iraq and Transjordan became British puppets. (The Zionists, better versed in "the perfidy of Albion" than most, were wary of the same thing happening to them, and after 1917 the Brits realized that the Jews' capacity for self-government made them unsuitable partners for Britain's resurging imperial ambitions.)

You say, instead of war-torn, mass raped, Germans on their knees wiping out Jews after 1945, you decided to dump them in ME among tribal weak organized Arabs, so that Jews can deal with them easily.

Knock-knock, you're a Turk, right? You should know better than that. Or you should at least read the threads at PDF a little more often. Sure, many of the survivors of the death camps went to Israel but there were hundreds of thousands Jews settled in Palestine before WWII even started and before, during, and after 1948 the Arabs were busy evicting Jews from their own states, in total violation of their Mandate and Sevres commitments - not that anybody here seems to care much about Arab violations of Jewish civil and property rights, but such evictions more than doubled Israel's population in a short period of time and, combined with the Arab trade cutoff, nearly starved the Jewish population. The Jews avoided this fate by quickly settling the forced arrivals in abandoned Arab villages and lands - yet another reason why the "Palestinians" won't get them back, and why their fate should be a regional basis, responsibility, and cost, not just Israel's.

 

[Solomon2]

Solomon do you have any link which further expands on this concept?

Try reading The Sunflower and its associated commentaries. Here, this looks like a good one: link

It is true that some people are too forgiving. Buddhists in history were often the forgiving types, and they ended up being replaced.

I noticed. Judaism is a peace-loving religion, not a passive one. The fate of Buddhists won't be the fate of the Jews.

So we return AGAIN to my core argument: the necessity for Pakistanis in particular to publicly and unconditionally condemn Hamas and its methods and aims. How are you going to do this? Can you actually risk publicly supporting Israel without getting your throats cut, or not?

 

[faithfulguy]

So we return once more to my core argument: the necessity for Pakistanis in particular to publicly and unconditionally condemn Hamas and its methods and aims, lest your society end up as twisted and brain-dead as BOLITAS and others I've debated above. How are you going to do this? Can you actually risk publicly supporting Israel without getting your throats cut, or not?

Exactly. If anything, the Zionists of the past and today have forgiven Jew-killers far too often and too much. That encourages barbarity, not civilization.

There are no need to understand terrorist. The civilize world need to destroy them, not understand them.

 

[JonAsad]

Future Jew savages-

 

[Solomon2]

As a practical matter Jews in Palestine - especially those who have settled in the West Bank - need to learn to defend themselves at a very early age. As for "Jew savages" that's just an unsupportable label. On the other hand, the Hamas guys you see in the street pulling people out of vans, shooting them, and dragging them through the streets are obviously savages. If you're REALLY against savagery you MUST direct your ire there, not at the Jews. Are you up to it?

 

[JonAsad]

As a practical matter Jews in Palestine - especially those who have settled in the West Bank - need to learn to defend themselves at a very early age. As for "Jew savages" that's just an unsupportable label. On the other hand, the Hamas guys you see in the street pulling people out of vans, shooting them, and dragging them through the streets are obviously savages. If you're REALLY against savagery you MUST direct your ire there, not at the Jews. Are you up to it?

The nation who lives on stolen lands- bombs civilians are savages- terrorists-
I hope you now understand why Hitler killed you- he was a savage and thats what you have become-

 

[Solomon2]

The nation who lives on stolen lands- bombs civilians are savages- terrorists-

You're repeating what others tried arguing earlier in the thread here and elsewhere today. It's rude to ask a guest to keep repeating himself, isn't it?

You're stuck with the conclusion: the necessity for Pakistanis in particular to publicly and unconditionally condemn Hamas and its methods and aims. How are you going to do this? Can you actually risk publicly supporting Israel without getting your throats cut, or not?