Burqa - A Security Challenge?

[laiqs@mi]

Correcting the post will not make you correct your thinking. Killing a human being is forgivable to God? I am sorry brother .. but as always .. I give up..

i dont need to correct my thought as you leberals would like .
i follow islam as i listen or read it not creating my own version of islam. (roshan khayal islam)
i only corrected because i did recognize my wording was wrong.

 

[forcetrip]

i dont need to correct my thought as you leberals would like .
i follow islam as i listen or read it not creating my own version of islam. (roshan khayal islam)
i only corrected because i did recognize my wording was wrong.

Goodluck with your wrong interpretation of islam. I guess that would be the best way to talk to you since you call my version of islam as "creating".

 

[F86 Saber]

I guess there could be a explosive material under her yellow coat so this coat/jacket is threat

what about this

I guess the only differnce betwen her and women who wear burqa is visible face but obviously face cannot use to hide anything

My friend you are being illogical. If the woman in the yellow overcoat is asked to remove her overcoat by security personnel she will have to do it. However, imagine the consequences of a "Fauji" asking a native lady to remove her Burkha for security checking.

I can agree with your point of view of giving freedom to women for wearing whatever they want but this freedom should not be limited. If a women wants to wear a burkha fine and if she wants to wear a bikini then nobody should have problem with that either.

Thing is, a bikini wearing woman only destroys her own "Aqbat" (and maybe a few bedsheets) but a burkha wearing suicide bomber not only kills people, she destroys families, destroys property and taints the image of Islam and Muslim women in general in addition to destroying her own "Aqbat".

 

[SQ8]

Some members have resorted to posting nonsense..

How is the Psychological and social impact of the Burka the same as the impact of an overcoat in England??
The situation is specific to Pakistan and perhaps Afghanistan.
Where the Burka in its common usage may serve as a device to conceal explosives better than other alternatives..
When do you see Women dressed in Gucci roaming around all over the place??
Argument for the sake of Argument..
No wonder those ridiculous talk shows are popular because some people clearly love to squabble aimlessly.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

My friend you are being illogical. If the woman in the yellow overcoat is asked to remove her overcoat by security personnel she will have to do it. However, imagine the consequences of a "Fauji" asking a native lady to remove her Burkha for security checking

I am illogical so perhaps your logic suggest if one out of millions use burqa for wrong purpose then we should go for banning it and should take the rights of all those peace loving women who wear it for other valid reasons.

The problem with you and others is they don't think outside the box. There are many solutions to such situation other than banning the clothes that may or may not use for evil activities. There are some very rare examples in Pakistan where Burqa was used for terrorism and majority of those who wear burqa in western countries never used it for evil activities so it’s all in your minds. It’s your own personal like or dislike for burqa which you want to impose on others otherwise i don’t feel any threat. It’s just your own desire of control on others . Rest i posted above pics to make it clear that you cannot check every single person to find out that whether they are hiding something under their coat/jackets/shlawar/burqa/chaddar etc

So you think women wear burqa don’t go through security checks at air ports or sea ports or in any other sensitive places. Ever heard about women police officer or security personnel? Why Pakistan has females in police department. Terrorism will be there whether you ban burqa or allow it because if you ban burqa there are ten others ways to cover suicide jackets.

I can agree with your point of view of giving freedom to women for wearing whatever they want but this freedom should not be limited. If a women wants to wear a burkha fine and if she wants to wear a bikini then nobody should have problem with that either.

I never said women should not have freedom to wear bikini..Sure they have this right to wear whatever they desire in secular country

thing is, a bikini wearing woman only destroys her own "Aqbat" (and maybe a few bedsheets) but a burkha wearing suicide bomber not only kills people, she destroys families, destroys property and taints the image of Islam and Muslim women in general in addition to destroying her own "Aqbat".

Wow so much assumptions lol as i said before there is not a single incident outside Pakistan where burqa was used to commit the act of terrorism . Give me any incident in any country other than Pakistan. Sure there are one or two rare examples out of thousand in Pakistan where burqa was used for terrorist activities but it was happened because security and law and order situation in pakistan is weak and institutions are not strong enough and police lack proper training ,skills and technologies needs to tackle terrorism
Dude why you don’t ban nuclear technologies and all those weapons who killed billion peoples and bring more destruction. There are many other things which can also use for evil purpose why we don’t ban all of them, drug, weapons, alcohol etc or a piece of clothe is more serious danger for humanity lol

 

[Elmo]

Give me any incident in any country other than Pakistan.

Afghanistan and Iraq - more than one. Look them up before making such a sweeping statement.

 

[S.M.R]

Afghanistan and Iraq - more than one. Look them up before making such a sweeping statement.

i think it happened in russia as well.

 

[T-Faz]

i think it happened in russia as well.

Yup, the Chechniyan black widows.

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Afghanistan and Iraq - more than one. Look them up before making such a sweeping statement.

Did you Ignored the rest of my post? lol These countries are lawless countries without any proper training and skills to tackle terrorism. We cannot blame burqa for terrorism or lawlessness in these countries. Even in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan how many exmaples are there for such burqa related terrorism. would you care to share?

I guess next we Pakistani Muslims should talk about banning all the madrassa/mosques if one or two maddrassa/mosque was used for terrorist activities.

 

[T-Faz]

Did you Ignored the rest of my post? lol These countries are lawless countries without any proper training and skills to tackle terrorism. We cannot blame burqa for terrorism or lawlessness in these countries. Even in Pakistan, Iraq and Afghanistan how many exmaples are there for such burqa related terrorism. would you care to share?

I guess next we Pakistani Muslims should talk about banning all the madrassa/mosques if one or two maddrassa/mosque was used for terrorist activities.

Hundreds of mosques and madrassas have already been used for terrorist activities.

I guess you don't read news much .

 

[Raja.Pakistani]

Hundreds of mosques and madrassas have already been used for terrorist activities.

I guess you don't read news much .

Dude i know it that's why i said that if some madrassa/mosque was used for terrorist activities don't mean we should go for banning all madarassa/mosques.. similarly if there are one or two incident out of thousands where burqa was used to commit terrorism don't mean we should go banning it for everyone.

Why Burqa is not a threat in saudia Arabia and other countries. I bet there are more important things to be banned where the government seem to care less. My personal opinion about veil is not much different than many guys on this forums but again i also respect the right of those who prefer to wear it. The right "to wear or not to wear" should not be taken away from anybody. Our personal like or dislike should not be excuse of banning burqa. I personally don't think banning buqa will eliminate or will reduce the threat of terrorism.

 

[Zarvan]

Why should I listen to your translation? I was about to give you the link but then I decided that I like my translation and it is the correct one so you should trust me instead of yourself and others.

Sir than go and learn Arabic and than read Surah Al Ahzab you will know what are we talking about even those who says that Niqab is not for all women they even say that the ayats of Surah Al Ahzab are for covering of face

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Goodluck with your wrong interpretation of islam. I guess that would be the best way to talk to you since you call my version of islam as "creating".

He is telling the truth but some people don't want to accept it

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My friend you are being illogical. If the woman in the yellow overcoat is asked to remove her overcoat by security personnel she will have to do it. However, imagine the consequences of a "Fauji" asking a native lady to remove her Burkha for security checking.

I can agree with your point of view of giving freedom to women for wearing whatever they want but this freedom should not be limited. If a women wants to wear a burkha fine and if she wants to wear a bikini then nobody should have problem with that either.

Thing is, a bikini wearing woman only destroys her own "Aqbat" (and maybe a few bedsheets) but a burkha wearing suicide bomber not only kills people, she destroys families, destroys property and taints the image of Islam and Muslim women in general in addition to destroying her own "Aqbat".

Sir what if a bikini wearing women do a bomb blast what is your opinion about that

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Hundreds of mosques and madrassas have already been used for terrorist activities.

I guess you don't read news much .

Sir those who did 9/11 never went to a Madrassa what about people of IRA did they too went to MADRASSA and what about BUSH and OBAMA are they also students of a Madrassa and what about other so called terrorists?

 

[ashokdeiva]

I guess there could be a explosive material under her yellow coat so this coat/jacket is threat

what about this

I guess the only differnce betwen her and women who wear burqa is visible face but obviously face cannot use to hide anything

Atleast, the security can Identify with the peorson who blewup and get the info on whom or which agency was she working.
Say a barqa wearing person carries a suitcase of bomb and plants in a railway station and walks away, the cctv camera captures it, but with the barqa the security is not able to identify who the person is, whom he is working with?
what is your take on this one?
Face is the only identity that you reveal to the world and if you hide it with any cloth, its easy for even a hindu to use it as a means of perfect cover to plant a bomb in a public place and no one will know who is responsible

 

[Zarvan]

Atleast, the security can Identify with the peorson who blewup and get the info on whom or which agency was she working.
Say a barqa wearing person carries a suitcase of bomb and plants in a railway station and walks away, the cctv camera captures it, but with the barqa the security is not able to identify who the person is, whom he is working with?
what is your take on this one?
Face is the only identity that you reveal to the world and if you hide it with any cloth, its easy for even a hindu to use it as a means of perfect cover to plant a bomb in a public place and no one will know who is responsible

Sir covering face is the order of ALLAH the creator of the universe and 99 % who do bomb blasts don't wear burqa

 

[Ahmad]

Sir those who did 9/11 never went to a Madrassa what about people of IRA did they too went to MADRASSA and what about BUSH and OBAMA are they also students of a Madrassa and what about other so called terrorists?

Zarvan, the IRA guys didnt go to Madrasah, but overwhelming majority of our suicide bombers and terrorists have been to madrasahs or being badly exposed to Mullah, otherwise why dont I become a bomber? You dont know buddy, there are many many families with bleeding heart because their young sons and kids have been brainwashed by the Mullah or Madrasah and as a result they have fled the house to join the Taliban and Al Qaeda. You know nothing mate because one of your loved ones havent faced this situation.