Burma and North East India theater

[kalu_miah]

Do you realize how long ago that was?

Bangladesh had existed for 40+ years. If its leaders managed the country's resources and politics better, it would have gotten very far compared to now. Even more than India. And better if those cowards had not massacred our think tanks back in 71'.

But enough about the past. Best not to go against something that is inevitable.

Trust me on this one, I know what I am talking about. The low quality of leadership has to do with the scrambled egg made in that 190 years, it will continue to affect us for many generations. 65 years is not enough to heal, I think we will need another 65 years, but I know a secret short cut.

 

[livingdead]

Do you realize how long ago that was?

Bangladesh had existed for 40+ years. If its leaders managed the country's resources and politics better, it would have gotten very far compared to now. Even more than India. And better if those cowards had not massacred our think tanks back in 71'.

But enough about the past. Best not to go against something that is inevitable.

We can talk endlessly what would have happened if...
I can also say if India had opened up earlier than 90s (say in 70s) we would have prospered much more. 40 years of socialism held us back where other countries raced on.

 

[Hyde]

@Kalu Miah

Please do not create threads on the same subject. You can stick to one thread instead

 

[UKBengali]

Malaysia did well too. America was also one under the British.

It is not because of colonialism, it is because of our leaders who mismanage the country's resources. And they won't go down without a fight

Nope.

Most of Malaysia's high growth came after independence in 1957. It had astonishing growth rates for the last 50 years.

US - It became independent in the late 18th century and really it's economy took of massively in the late 19th century with at that time miracle growth rates of 6% a year.

Yes, the leaders since 1971 were crap but please tell me you do not seriosuly believe that had BD become independent in 1947, it would now not be far wealthier.

 

[UKBengali]

Why is Sri Lanka beating everyone in per-capita GDP then? Why is Vietnam doing so well? Not only were they colonised but they had to fight off an American invasion. Malaysia, Indonesia, Ghana... all colonised but doing pretty well. You can't use colonialism as an excuse forever; bearing in mind that Myanmar too was colonised (though admittedly for a shorter period of time than Bangladesh).

Sri Lanka - Tiny Island nation that has been independent since 1948. Were it not for the Tamil conflict it could have been as wealthy as Malaysia now.

Vietnam - It is filled with natural resources that Bangladesh does not have. It has hundreds of billions of dollars of oil and gas and also massive hydroelectric resources.

Indonesia - Independent since 1949 and also it has abundant natural resources(coal, oil and gas).


Bangladesh - Only took control of it's own destiny in 1971. Gross neglect and mismanagement from the Pakistan era had landed it with a huge population and no industry of any kind. The garments industry was created in the 1980s and now the seeds of shipbuilding have been laid. Shipbuilding and Pharmaceuticals, and hopefully IT, should be the growth drivers for the next 15-20 years.

You don't have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that Bangladesh would be at least as rich as Sri Lanka now(if not more) if it had gained indepence in 1947 like India and Pakistan.


BD does have bad politicians but it is not only the post-1971 politicians wholly to blame. They did at least preside over an economy that grew nearly 7% last year.


Now if you need any more economic/history lessons, please ask.

 

[Bond]

I am sure he is going to spam many more threads with the similar links...

@Kalu Miah

Please do not create threads on the same subject. You can stick to one thread instead

 

[INDIC]

Even then, that little aid can't fuel an economy.

Yes, you are wrong .......

 

[kalu_miah]

China Factor in North East Insurgency
Insurgency in India's Northeast Cross-border Links and Strategic Alliances --- Wasbir Hussain
India Assessment 2011
North East Insurgency at crossroads ?
China as the Backup of NE Insurgents
http://fsss.in/agni-volume/2nd/external-influences-on-the-northeast-insurgency.pdf
Social Profiling: Root Cause to Racial Discrimination Faced by North Easterners in National Capital » Manipur - KanglaOnline.com
Thousand of NE Students Protested against Mizo Girl Gang Rape » Manipur - KanglaOnline.com
Views | The angry Northeast - Views - livemint.com


Will China resurrect insurgency in North East India ?

Will China resurrect insurgency in North East India ?
by NE BLOGGER on JANUARY 30, 2012

Recent reports in news papers suggest that, anti-talks factions of insurgent groups are forging ties with each other and China is acting as chief interlocutor among them. With recent reverses by China at international levels by India, we had opined that China might step up ‘Insurgency in North East India’ card very soon.

It may be mentioned that, around 1600 cadres of nine insurgent groups have laid down arms recently in Assam. ULFA has also suffered great setback recently due to formal divisions among its top ranks and Paresh Barua Led anti-talk factions constituting new central body.

After Bangladesh Government has started acting against insurgent bases in Bangladesh, North East rebel groups have started shifting their bases to either Myanmar or Myanmar-China borders. It is widely rumoured that, China has been putting pressure on all insurgent groups to work together against Indian government. China has been now supplying arms and ammunition to NE rebels. Though violence has gone down in North East India, Security agencies are worried about China’s engagement with North East Militant groups like Pakistans in Kashmir.

China has always been opposing hosting of Dalai Lama and Tibetan Government in Exile by India government and periodically let its displeasure known to Indian government. With forging alliance of all North East insurgents, China must be trying to form a formidable insurgent group to trouble India put pressure on India.

So, recent reports indicate that China is trying to resurrect insurgency in North East India. Only time will tell how India responds to such threat.

http://www.hindustantimes.com/India...its-aid-to-NE-insurgents/Article1-810977.aspx

‘China given evidence of its aid to NE insurgents’
Sanjib Kr Baruah, Hindustan Times
New Delhi, February 13, 2012

First Published: 23:03 IST(13/2/2012)
Last Updated: 00:54 IST(14/2/2012)

India has given China evidence — on several occasions — of its involvement in aiding insurgency movements in India’s northeast, government officials have told HT.

“There was evidence that insurgents from India’s northeast were meeting Chinese intelligence officials regularly in Yunnan (China) and in Nepal. We tracked top NSCN (National Socialist Council of Nagaland) arms procurer Anthony Shimray who had ordered a massive supply of weapons. The procedures involved in shipment, export orders, regulatory compliances, etc are impossible without China’s involvement,” said GK Pillay, former home secretary.
“We have also given China details of Ulfa (United Liberation Front of Asom) chief Paresh Barua’s travel to Yunnan, including airline tickets, period of stay, etc,” he said.

In the past, India had always distinguished between state and non-state actors when it came to Chinese involvement.

“On several occasions, we have given concrete proof of certain elements from the Chinese establishment aiding northeast militants. The Chinese government, at least at the prefecture (provincial) level, was involved in such activity,” said a senior government official, who did not want to be named.

The evidence was also submitted to the ministry of external affairs, which took it up during the January 16-17 talks in New Delhi between national security adviser Shivshankar Menon and Dai Bingguo, China’s special representative, the official said.

The evidence mainly pertained to regular interactions of the insurgent leaders with Chinese intelligence agencies regarding supply and shipment of weapons to rebel outfits like Ulfa, NSCN, United National Liberation Front (UNLF) and the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) of Manipur.

Intelligence reports say fresh consignments — comprising weapons like Heckler and Koch rifles (HK 33), T81 rifles — have landed in the hands of the rebels in substantial numbers.

What is more worrying for India is the coming together of forces. “We have information that top Chinese intelligence officials have told all these outfits to unite under a single umbrella and devise joint strategies. We are witnessing that unification move now,” the official said.

 

[Icewolf]

Yes, you are wrong .......

Basically its useless to argue with a Indian

 

[MST]

Kallu instead of worrying about insurgency in North East India you should worry about your Bangladesh, half of which will be under water in the next 25-30 years. You should be more concerned about feeding your 250 million (projected) population on half the land that you currently have.

And all your wet dreams about Greater Bangladesh will not change the bottomline i.e. your country was an Indian Stooge, is an Indian Stooge and will always be an Indian stooge. You guys can only cry on Pdf.

 

[kalu_miah]

China I believe had a strategy of watching the situation with NE insurgency. Earlier they had safe haven sanctuary in many neighbor countries, but when India started asking and getting help from this neighbor countries to flush out the insurgents, only then China is now covertly and carefully coming to the picture to provide support. If nothing else, I think they want to keep these insurgencies alive so they can be used as a geopolitical tool against India, depending on future needs and circumstances.

 

[Bond]

India still holds so called chinese land-"southern tibet"... & also hold tibetian governement on Indian land .. India isalso is home to 1000's of tibetians & China can do jack$hit about it... You plea's to chini master to help in your wet dreams of NE insurgency are invain...

China I believe had a strategy of watching the situation with NE insurgency. Earlier they had safe haven sanctuary in many neighbor countries, but when India started asking and getting help from this neighbor countries to flush out the insurgents, only then China is now covertly and carefully coming to the picture to provide support. If nothing else, I think they want to keep these insurgencies alive so they can be used as a geopolitical tool against India, depending on future needs and circumstances.

 

[kalu_miah]

India still holds so called chinese land-"southern tibet"... & also hold tibetian governement on Indian land .. India isalso is home to 1000's of tibetians & China can do jack$hit about it... You plea's to chini master to help in your wet dreams of NE insurgency are invain...

All true status quo, part of complex China-India relations, except the last part. I am just an individual, no one is my master. China is also not a master for Bangladesh, it can be a strategic ally in certain theaters, that is all. Bangladesh, in my opinion, is more in the US supported bloc like neighboring ASEAN states, but unlike ASEAN states, it is not a friendly nation to India.

China wants to keep insurgencies alive, but I think it will not ramp up, unless it is sure that it can engineer an end-game. For that to happen, Chinese supported groups will need to win hearts & minds in this theater in favor of a new independent state. Insurgency is just a small piece of the puzzle, the bigger challenge is to create a favorable public opinion for such a new reality. Separation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a good example. Nothing will happen, unless the people want it and believe that the end goal is within reach.

 

[INDIC]

All true status quo, part of complex China-India relations, except the last part. I am just an individual, no one is my master. China is also not a master for Bangladesh, it can be a strategic ally in certain theaters, that is all. Bangladesh, in my opinion, is more in the US supported bloc like neighboring ASEAN states, but unlike ASEAN states, it is not a friendly nation to India.

China wants to keep insurgencies alive, but I think it will not ramp up, unless it is sure that it can engineer an end-game. For that to happen, Chinese supported groups will need to win hearts & minds in this theater in favor of a new independent state. Insurgency is just a small piece of the puzzle, the bigger challenge is to create a favorable public opinion for such a new reality. Separation of Pakistan and Bangladesh is a good example. Nothing will happen, unless the people want it and believe that the end goal is within reach.

We can start from Sabroom overrun on Feni and reach the bay of Bengal in few hours cutting your road and rail line.

 

[kalu_miah]

We can start from Sabroom overrun on Feni and reach the bay of Bengal in few hours cutting your road and rail line.

Yes, but you are barking up the wrong tree, this insurgency is China's baby, so that is who you need to take it up with. We have nothing to do with it, just watching and trying to figure out what is going on in our neighborhood. That is not a crime or is it?

If someone can cut India into pieces, it is a country like China, not Bangladesh.