Brothers in Arms : Why an Indian stands with Israel I wouldn’t write to you today, if I didn’t feel

[chickenmasala]

I guess the Indians here who never travelled outside India are yet to realize how Israelis (20% of the population being Arab and 60% of the Jewish Israelis being Jewish Arabs or partial Jewish Arabs) treat and look at Indians in general and other South Asians for that matter.

Lastly how can Arabs be anti-Semites when we are Semites ourselves? More Semitic than the Jews and more native to the ancient ME than them.

It's like calling Danes anti-Germanic if they had a conflict with their Swedish neighbors and cousins who are also Germanic. Makes no sense. But that's Zionism propaganda for you. I am still shocked that they are yet to claim ownership of the word "racism".

Some South Asians should get some self-respect and stop licking the boots of foreigners. Grow a spine, man. I have noticed this phenomenon especially among some Indian users whenever Israel and Russia are discussed. The most tragic thing is that a ordinary Russian looks down on an ordinary Indian too due to the high number of racists and nationalists in Russia. Just look how they treat their Turkic and Caucasian minorities for instance!

Being an ally is all fine and good but defending allies so furiously is very strange from an Arab/ME perspective at least.

everything you say is mostly true. it's embarrassing to see many indians get so passionate over a war no one else really cares about

i am going to guess many indians who support israel are have extreme anti muslim views & are living in india. the ones outside seem more independent minded. the same could be said for pakistani's blind support for palestine and the middle east. they are so dumb

 

[halupridol]

@al-Hasani

Some South Asians should get some self-respect and stop licking the boots of foreigners. Grow a spine, man

before editing ur post,it made sense,but u had to add some rhetoric as usual.
now read what u wrote,,u saying south Asian specially Indians shud grow a spine n stop licking foreigners boots.just because they r defending Israel(Russia) a bit too enthusiastically...
it is because,,most users here r teenage kids(may not even know anythng about Israel or Palestine)who obviously get excited pretty easily.Besides south asians r emotional n passionate,,if i badmouth Saudi A(or china for that matter),,,i can bet most Pakistanis will bash me n relentlessly defend saudi.given that arabs too r not so kind to them(youtube videos),,,does that mean Pakistanis lick ur boots,so they too need to grow a spine,,,
just because someone passionately defends a perceived friend,,he becomes a slave n needs to grow spine.

anyway,these r personal opinions not govt. policies.
i guess u have some idea regarding our foreign policy(which is independent,no foreign powers dictates us on that,be it US,Russia or China).
our ME policy is tilted towards arabs,now it may not go in line with some users here.which is quite normal,we r a democracy afterall.
this may all be too difficult for u to understand because u r neither a south Asian nor from a democracy.

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so instead of asking others to grow a spine,it will be better if u ask ur monarchs the same.


@janon
isko thora padhane me sahayata kare

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

before editing ur post,it made sense,but u had to add some rhetoric as usual.
now read what u wrote,,u saying south Asian specially Indians shud grow a spine n stop licking foreigners boots.just because they r defending Israel(Russia) a bit too enthusiastically...
it is because,,most users here r teenage kids(may not even know anythng about Israel or Palestine)who obviously get excited pretty easily.Besides south asians r emotional n passionate,,if i badmouth Saudi A(or china for that matter),,,i can bet most Pakistanis will bash me n relentlessly defend saudi.given that arabs too r not so kind to them(youtube videos),,,does that mean Pakistanis lick ur boots,so they too need to grow a spine,,,
just because someone passionately defends a perceived friend,,he becomes a slave n needs to grow spine.

anyway,these r personal opinions not govt. policies.
i guess u have some idea regarding our foreign policy(which is independent,no foreign powers dictates us on that,be it US,Russia or China).
our ME policy is tilted towards arabs,now it may not go in line with some users here.which is quite normal,we r a democracy afterall.
this may all be too difficult for u to understand because u r neither a south Asian nor from a democracy.

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so instead of asking others to grow a spine,it will be better if u ask ur monarchs the same.


@janon
isko thora padhane me sahayata kare

You know I am right. Even an Indian admitted it above me. I am not blind. I can see everything here. Rest assured that no Arab will even be remotely close to the behavior many Indians here display towards our allies.

Without that extra added bit (honesty, being direct) I don't get my point across as I want to. PDF is lenient on this front which is good. As long as there is no outright trolling or insults.

No, they won't. LOL. You base a few Youtube incidents and label 500 million Arabs with the same brush. Very intelligent. Forgetting that Pakistanis marry Saudi Arabian women for instance.

Foreigners married over 13,000 Saudi women last year | Arab News — Saudi Arabia News, Middle East News, Opinion, Economy and more.

No, it is funny that Indians who have NOTHING to do with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict are so eager to combat a largely defenseless people like the Palestinians (who never did India or Indians any harm) because they are Muslims and thus also lick the boots of your ordinary Israeli (who looks at them the same way he looks at any other brown/dark person) is in my eyes rather pathetic. As I said there is nothing wrong with being an ally but you Indians take it 1 or 2 step above that. It's not just about that. You have a strange and annoying tendency of meddling in ME affairs. Taking parties etc. It' strange if you ask me.

India is as much a so-called democracy as some Arab democratic countries. My friend I have lived half of my live in Europe. I am partially European. I know what a democracy is. I live in Denmark after all. A country that is constantly praised for its democratic values, high standards of living etc.

"My" monarchs (there is only one in KSA btw) do not behave like the Indians I criticize here. In fact our supposed US allies just slandered us. Nor am I not criticizing them when I believe they should be criticized. Just today on PDF I have criticized them in 3 threads. How about that? I don't consider them holy cows. Nor am I responsible for them.

Anyway I don't get your reaction when that behavior I have described is so obvious. Nowhere am I anti-Indian in my post. I have nothing against India nor Indians. The Indian users that know me here on PDF will tell you this.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

@al-Hasani

The same Indians on this forum that defend Israel are also congratulating Irans accomplishments as well.

Many Indians have different views. Now, these are Indians in a defence forum, regular Indians could give a ****.

 

[jaunty]

There is no brother in arms. Relationship between nations is based on mutual interest and mutual interest alone.

 

[al-Hasani]

@al-Hasani

The same Indians on this forum that defend Israel are also congratulating Irans accomplishments as well.

Many Indians have different views. Now, these are Indians in a defence forum, regular Indians could give a ****.

That makes no sense. I wonder what they base that on? On them thinking that they are Iranians? Strange.

I know that. I just could not stop from commenting on it when I saw this thread. It seems to me that many Indians really hate Muslims. I mean why don't they start massacring their own almost 200 million big Muslim population? Can a religion really play such a big role in how we view each other as humans? Well, I should not be talking since we have Arab extremists who are killing brother and sister based on stupidities like sects, Muslim vs Christian, Jew vs Christian and Mslim etc.

 

[jaunty]

@al-Hasani

The same Indians on this forum that defend Israel are also congratulating Irans accomplishments as well.

Many Indians have different views. Now, these are Indians in a defence forum, regular Indians could give a ****.

Some people, especially those from countries where difference of opinion is not respected are too simplistic to understand the diversity in opinions in a country like India. I have noticed this with people from the middle eastern countries.

 

[al-Hasani]

Some people, especially those from countries where difference of opinion is not respected are too thick headed to understand the diversity in opinions in a country like India.

Don't cry and no need for you to hide your little remarks. This is not about diversity. It's about a tendency that any sane person can see. An annoying tendency. Also bound in meddling in affairs that do not concern oneself.

Yes, hurrah for being diverse when there is 1.2 billion of you and 100's of different ethnic groups. No wonder. India, as I often like to say, is if the ME united into 1 single country. There would be even more diversity this way. Just because certain countries in the ME are not democracies it does not mean that all people agree with each other or the regimes/rulers. The diversity is still big and the political arguments are just as powerful and many. They are just not as visible for obvious reasons.

India is neither a democracy compared to those found in the developed world. So stop acting like a champion of democracy. You are not Sweden or Denmark.

 

[jaunty]

Don't cry and no need for you to hide your little remarks. This is not about diversity. It's about a tendency that any sane person can see. An annoying tendency. Also bound in meddling in affairs that do not concern oneself.

Yes, hurrah for being diverse when there is 1.2 billion of you and 100's of different ethnic groups. No wonder. India, as I often like to say, is if the ME united into 1 single country. There would be even more diversity this way. Just because certain countries in the ME are not democracies it does not mean that all people agree with each other or the regimes/rulers. The diversity is still big and the political arguments are just as powerful and many. They are just not as visible for obvious reasons.

India is neither a democracy compared to those found in the developed world. So stop acting like a champion of democracy. You are not Sweden or Denmark.

India is beyond the understanding of simpletons like you. People living under autocratic rulers shouldn't be talking about democracy.

 

[al-Hasani]

India is beyond the understanding of simpletons like you.

If anything you are the simpleton here. Like many of your compatriots as seen in this thread very clearly.

 

[jaunty]

If anything you are the simpleton here. Like many of your compatriots as seen in this thread very clearly.

You have zero understanding of how people having different opinions can coexist. You will get there eventually.

 

[Water Car Engineer]

That makes no sense. I wonder what they base that on? On them thinking that they are Iranians? Strange.

I know that. I just could not stop from commenting on it when I saw this thread. It seems to me that many Indians really hate Muslims. I mean why don't they start massacring their own almost 200 million big Muslim population? Can a religion really play such a big role in how we view each other as humans? Well, I should not be talking since we have Arab extremists who are killing brother and sister based on stupidities like sects, Muslim vs Christian, Jew vs Christian and Mslim etc.

I dont think they hate Muslims, that fucking retarded. Hating the state of Pakistan is one thing, but hating Muslims will include Arabs, Iranians, Many SE Asians, etc, etc. all people India will do business with. Not mentioning many Indians themselves. But of course, there are those radicals that hate not only Muslims, but other Hindus, other Indians, etc.

About some people liking Israel the way they do, I dont get it either. But you'll see several members congratulating Iranians at the same time, who regularly threaten Israel and do some damage to them. I doubt Indians think we're "similar" to them, obviously not. This is however, Indians on a defence forum, my parents or regular people in India can give a **** about what's going on out there.

 

[khujliwal]

That makes no sense. I wonder what they base that on? On them thinking that they are Iranians? Strange.

I know that. I just could not stop from commenting on it when I saw this thread. It seems to me that many Indians really hate Muslims. I mean why don't they start massacring their own almost 200 million big Muslim population? Can a religion really play such a big role in how we view each other as humans? Well, I should not be talking since we have Arab extremists who are killing brother and sister based on stupidities like sects, Muslim vs Christian, Jew vs Christian and Mslim etc.

You are right about hatred towards Muslims. A certain version of Islam we do hate as it calls for cleansing the world of all other religions. And many Muslims on PDF disown that Islam. So what's wrong in hating those who follow it? By attacking Jewish centers in India these Muslims are bringing us even closer to Israel.

 

[al-Hasani]

You are right about hatred towards Muslims. A certain version of Islam we do hate as it calls for cleansing the world of all other religions. And many Muslims on PDF disown that Islam. So what's wrong in hating those who follow it? By attacking Jewish centers in India these Muslims are bringing us even closer to Israel.

Islam and its principles are 1. There are not more than that. There is 1 Noble Qur'an and there are 5 pillars of Islam. When I read many Indian users posts here I don't see a hate for a particular "branch" of Islam or particular "Muslims" (ISIS and their likes are not recognized as Muslims by 98% of all Muslims and do not act according to the laws of Islam) instead I see a hatred for Islam and your ordinary Muslim. Anyway I am not interested in continuing this discussion. I got my point across.

Nobody objected to you being allies with Israel. For all I care you two can merge with each other tomorrow. That's not the point here.

 

[Missile]

this stuff made me cry.