British men prepare to fight Turkish-led forces in Syria

[Trango Towers]

Well, i'm Turkish and live in Turkey....and you are making some unrealistic claims about my country's people.

like I have been there? loooool. justify your claim. I can easily say you are not Turkish cant I? but that would be stupid as I have no proof....for all I know you could be an indian untouchable....

 

[asena_great]

This is a very troubling development for the region and international security.

very troubling indeed its reminded me of our war in Afghanistan when guys like osama bin ladin considered freedom fighters by US and UK and the west you arm them you train them you funded them

we lost fair share of our soldiers in Afghanistan to protect freedom but we lost it to you guys and you gifted these freedom fighters to afghan people whom brought sharia to Afghanistan

Afghanistan before your government brought it to ruins

we look at you and again see the same signs
1 terrorist praised as freedom fighter
2 your government arm ,fund and train terroriest for their own gains


we didn't forget how many of our soldiers killed by your terrorist buddies and we turkmens support our Turkish brothers fully

 

[Trango Towers]

I think our Islam is good.

Let me take my neighbours for instance..

One is a religious family, the other is a single girl that will take men home at night in secret (but I see her and think to myself why not me lol)

In the bus stop you can see 2 girls side by side, one of them is very religious and the other looks like a total slut.

I think this is best, this is what freedom is all about, let people choose how they want to live their lives.

It's also very safe in Turkey not much crime.

Like last night I was drunk and walked on the beach like an idiot for hours, in many other countries I'd get robbed or something.



Cool way to spend your life bro.

So you made a shit load of money and just travel the world?

Is it fun? I'm actually looking for a meaning in my life lately, feels so boring and empty.

alhumdulillah best thing I did.
in pakistan now planning a trip to Thailand laos Vietnam and Cambodia in march inshallah.
work hard be honest in your dealings and don't take shit. success will come to you

 

[-SINAN-]

like I have been there? loooool. justify your claim. I can easily say you are not Turkish cant I? but that would be stupid as I have no proof....for all I know you could be an indian untouchable....

Yeah, i can say i have been to Lahore and saw a flying cow.... That would sound unreal. Just like your claims.

 

[313ghazi]

I am sometimes "mistaken". But not in this instance. Bosnian, Turkish, Tatar, Bashkir Islam is nothing like the variant found in Pakistan. I don't think you have been "exposed" to the world or have travelled enough to know this.

Your version of Islam would barely converge with 10% of what is practiced in Bosnia or Turkey. And that is a fact. Your Islam is a bastardized child of Arab meets desi Indian. Or what you think is a Arab.

Idk about that. It's true we have some masala in what is Islam in Pakistan, but a lot of it is the fringe. Many mainstream sunnis are travelling to Turkey to learn the deen, it's no sharabi kebabi watered down BS. It's straight up Islam, the same as anywhere really.

Turkish culture though is much more Liberal. I felt in Europe and at home when I was there, it didn't feel foreign. I really liked the tolerant aspect of it. I'm a pretty Conservative guy (religiously) and it was nice to see Conservative and Liberal people coexist without conflict. That comes from tolerance. We don't have that tolerance in Pakistan. That's the main difference between our and thier culture which you could also term as our and there "Islam" if you like.

 

[Jaanbaz]

I think you are very mistaken....European Islam. Loool. Ok mate

Have you ever travelled outside your pind?

 

[-SINAN-]

I saw a young girl wearing a mini skirt in topkori palace and let's say the Turks were not happy with her dress.

I waited for you to back up your claim a bit but nothing came from your side.

So, i will explain to readers why snow lake's claims can't be true.

Although, some of the Turkish cities are more conservative, Istanbul is a cosmopolitan, you can see all kind of people there. A girl with a mini skirt is not an uncommon sight. But the important part is "Topkapı Palace". It is a touristic place and lots of tourists visits the place. Nobody will look you weird because you wear a skirt. Maybe in "Fatih" district very the ultra conservatives live...(and i'm saying maybe) But definetly not is Topkapı Palace.

It same as saying "I went to Antalya and saw a girl in bikini. People were looking weird to her."

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Turkish culture though is much more Liberal. I felt in Europe and at home when I was there, it didn't feel foreign. I really liked the tolerant aspect of it. I'm a pretty Conservative guy (religiously) and it was nice to see Conservative and Liberal people coexist without conflict. That comes from tolerance. We don't have that tolerance in Pakistan. That's the main difference between our and thier culture which you could also term as our and there "Islam" if you like.

Exactly. Look daily I am astounded at the stupendous hypocracy at display amongst Pakistan in UK. There is one million of us here. Nobody forced us to come here. Nobody forces us to live here. Our parents with no education, mostly village peasants, poor and disconnected from outside world had the temerity to cross half way around the globe to land in a alien society in UK for money.

Today their children are relatively educated, economically better off, connected with the world. Yet they choose to continue to live in UK. That is a elective decision. They are choosing to live in a secular, liberal UK. That is one million Pakistan's who choose to live in secular, liberal, evil society. They could and with far more ease move back to Islamic republic in Pakistan then their parents did when they moved to secular UK. But they don't. That is in fact the best form of validation of secularism you will ever get. The temporal needs supercede religious yearing. That is a objective fact. What British-Pakistani's demonstrate perhaps unwittingly is that being a Muslim and secularism are compatible. This is manifested in the mere fact that they continue to live in UK.

For me Turkey is refreshing. For it has applied the lesson that British-Pakistani's practice [live in secular country by choice] at home. Instead of catching banana boats to Europe they have brought Europe to Turkey. Which is why my soul felt most at ease in Turkey.

In Pakistan they do the opposite. Croak about Islam 24/7. Then try to grab the first truck heading to Europe as illegal migrants.

 

[TurkeyForever]

So a Chinese Brit is going to fight Turkey on the behalf of the Kurds? So many lols.

Yeah haha, he will do the flying dragon kick on an F16.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

Posting

No need to educate me. You can give all the Islamic preaching here but to me you only conjure one thought. A traitor Bangla who cost us dear in 1971. That was the exposition of the treacherous Bangla. So go and pay your respect to your Gangadeshi brothers.

At least the mullah Pakistanis are Pakistani's. I might not agree with them but when push comes to shove I can still stand next them in the line. You traitors? .... nah !

The pkk/pyd do not believe in God in the core they are communist I think.

I know. They are left leaning socialists with possible inspiration from Cold War Soviet Union and mostly athiest.

And your point about mini-skirt is perfectly valid. Here in UK million Pakistani's live. Many are die hard pious Muslims yet are surrounded by exposed flesh [some of it prermium cut], alcohol and other vices. Yet they continue to live here as Muslims. If those aspects are so damaging to the Islamic health why have they not shipped out? Nobody has them tied. Conclusion therefor is secularism is compatible with Islam.

And if it is not why are they still here? Pounds, convenience, weather, social ties. All these are temporal aspects?

 

[313ghazi]

Exactly. Look daily I am astounded at the stupendous hypocracy at display amongst Pakistan in UK. There is one million of us here. Nobody forced us to come here. Nobody forces us to live here. Our parents with no education, mostly village peasants, poor and disconnected from outside world had the temerity to cross half way around the globe to land in a alien society in UK for money.

Today their children are relatively educated, economically better off, connected with the world. Yet they choose to continue to live in UK. That is a elective decision. They are choosing to live in a secular, liberal UK. That is one million Pakistan's who choose to live in secular, liberal, evil society. They could and with far more ease move back to Islamic republic in Pakistan then their parents did when they moved to secular UK. But they don't. That is in fact the best form of validation of secularism you will ever get. The temporal needs supercede religious yearing. That is a objective fact. What British-Pakistani's demonstrate perhaps unwittingly is that being a Muslim and secularism are compatible. This is manifested in the mere fact that they continue to live in UK.

For me Turkey is refreshing. For it has applied the lesson that British-Pakistani's practice [live in secular country by choice] at home. Instead of catching banana boats to Europe they have brought Europe to Turkey. Which is why my soul felt most at ease in Turkey.

In Pakistan they do the opposite. Croak about Islam 24/7. Then try to grab the first truck heading to Europe as illegal migrants.

You're right in a sense. I think being a Muslim in a secular country is entirely possible, as long as the country is secular and not anti religion like France is becoming. Britain is a good example. Nothing stops us being Muslim here, yet its pretty much secular.

I disagree with the second part of what you say. There's nothing particularly Islamic about Pakistan. In theory yes, but in practice, it's hardly a shining example. Why would anyone migrate there? I don't think by choosing to remain in the UK it shows people putting dunya before deen. If we lived somewhere oppressive and the same choices were made, you might have the beginning of an argument. It's like saying that you and I don't have love for Pakistan because we live in Britain. Fact is we love our children more than any nation. I'll live where I can give them the best life.

 

[Cybernetics]

Western public's good will on Kurds was entirely a media construct, saw the marketing campaign unfold before my eyes. Before the Arab Spring barely anybody in the West knew of their existence.

Their goodwill follows the logic of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". Kurdish image was portrayed as an anti Daesh force initially, painting their fighters with a very romantic image(to the point of suspicion), in a che guevara-esque fashion. They were portrayed as the beacon of Western values and a hope for progressiveness in the region. Some in the West bought into this idea and few even joined their cause.

When ISIS was weakened substantially but not destroyed, new round of demonizing Turkey and Erdogan began. Painting it as the reason for ISIS's existence and neo-Ottoman. Basically play up the fear factor against Turkey. When that didn't work a coup was attempted. Now West has "useful idiots" to fight for their cause in the Middle East. These volunteer fighters really do believe in their hearts that fighting against Turkey for the Kurds is righteous since they bought into the narrative of righteous Kurds and evil Turkey.

Turkey and Turkish people need not to worry about the international perception impacts of its operations in Syria. Turkey will be demonized by Western media regardless. Short term pain for long term gain, and patch up the damages later.

The Middle East will never develop if swayed by Western backed rebels. Supporters of these groups are seduced by the the idea that rebels will transform the region into places like the west. That will never be the case, it's structurally designed to not end up that way. It will just end up like Afghanistan or Libya. Turkey and Iran are pretty much the hope for the region IMO.

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There's nothing particularly Islamic about Pakistan.

What exactly is Islamic ideal is like asking how long is piece of string. However Pakistan has more contours informed ny Islam then UK. Nothing at all in UK as a state is remotely informed by Islam. Pakistan is imperfect but it is a Islamic Republic. For instance drinking laws are informed by Islam. Family law is also informed by Islam. Imperfect it is but nobody can seriously say that Pakistan has moorings or yearnings to Islam. Any stranger landing in Pakistan will feel that they are in a dominant Muslim counytry. In the UK it is quite the contrary. Pakistan is not pristine Islam but then no country is. But is is a Muslim dominant country more informed by Islam tradition then UK. Try openly being gay, drink alcohol and have a gay parade in Islamabad and see what happens. It's like somebody claming to have aversion for drink but chilling inside a pub but saying that there is no perfect free alcohol zone. That might be so but the pub is the extreme opposite.

It's like saying that you and I don't have love for Pakistan because we live in Britain.

That is very valid point you make. But I can easily explain that. Am I a hypocrite for loving Pakistan but living in UK? Well maybe. The truth is I love Pakistan but I love British pounds, British society and all the security it provides me more then I love Pakistan. That is a fact that is apparent in my electing to live in UK.

But can those who go on about how evil secularism is say the same? That they love their interpretation of Islam but they love British pounds even more and that is why they elect to continue to live in UK.

We place priorties. And the priority placing exposes in the real world what we value the most.

 

[DejanSRB]

they have "European Islam" along Bosnian Muslims.

Long time ago, my friend.

I dont want to sound anti Bosniak, but Bosnia radicalized very fast since times of Yugoslavia.

I will not post something from Serbian sources, but from Croatian instead.

In this article Croatian journalists said that S. Arabia pays Bosniak women around 50 euros per month to put burqas on themselves.
https://www.24sata.hr/news/s-arabija-zenama-u-sarajevu-placa-da-na-ulici-nose-burke-537011

@snow lake

If women wear mini skirt it doesnt mean that she is whore.

I have been to Istanbul, and for women it is nothing more worse then any Balkan or even Central European country. I even find Istanbul girls to more communicative then those Spanish girls from catholic families.
If you are not schauvinist pig and look handsome, you can get into relationship with Western Turkish girls, I never did, but one guy from my former water polo team did.
For exampe I think that my friend would think twice before he start flirting with Saudi girl.

 

[TurkeyForever]

You guys should stop talking about mini skirts, I'm going all crazy here.