Breaking News: NIH researchers find more evidence Covid was circulating in the US in December 2019

[52051]

Researchers have found more evidence that coronavirus was circulating at low levels across the United States as early as December 2019 -- weeks before the first officially reported cases.

Frozen blood samples indicate people in five states -- Illinois, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Mississippi and Massachusetts -- were infected with coronavirus days or weeks before any cases were officially reported in those states.

Volunteers taking part in the National Institutes of Health's All of Us study, an ongoing effort to gather health information on 1 million people, donated blood as part of the study. Tests of 24,000 samples taken in early 2020 showed antibodies to coronavirus in the blood of at least nine people, the All of Us researchers reported in the journal Clinical Infectious Diseases.

NIH researchers find more evidence Covid was circulating in the US in December 2019 | CNN

Coronavirus was likely circulating in the US in December 2019, a new NIH study shows.

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[That Guy]

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

 

[kuge]

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

yeah,,,simply your presumption...

 

[GumNaam]

biden caught with his pants down...again!

 

[redtom]

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

So you're talking about a time machine. China invented a time machine and an infected Chinese travels back to September 2019 or even earlier.He came to the United States and infected some Americans.Then, after months of transmission, antibodies finally appeared in blood samples from several states in the United States.

 

[powastick]

US probably knows about Covid far earlier, but refuse to let it public. There is no way CDC doesn't know about SARS and MERS coronavirus that causes respiratory problems.

 

[52051]

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

Well, when talking about fact:

Fact is China is the first country who report this virus to WHO and developed a testkit to test it.

Fact is, until now, neither WHO nor scientists have found where the virus come from, with conclusive evidence.

Fact is China accept WHO's investigation to our Wuhan lab, whilst the US still refuse to open any of their bio weapon lab, Fort Detrick in particular, for any independent investigation, despite of multiple requests and call made by China.

Fact is ,according to WHO's investigation report, whilst WHO's investigation team to China don't believe the virus come from Wuhan virus lab, but they did not rule out the possibility this virus is man-made in labs, you know like the bioweapon lab at Fort Detrick etc (shut down due to "leak" in August 2019).

Thats the fact, the rest are just your unproven fantasies.

Just because China is the first country who discovery this COVID-19 doesn't mean the virus come from China.

Your poor logic is like just because a guy whos is the first who call to police about a crimine scence, the judge throw that poor guy into prison for the particular crime he reported.

 

[Leishangthem]

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

PdF tHiNk TaNk: "...it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China."
WHO: W e are still investigating the origin.

 

[8888888888888]

It is probably from the leak from Fort Detrick that Trump covered up.

 

[crankthatskunk]

I have written it here before, I met a white Brit, he said he was ill in late Oct/Early Nov with same system, while visiting France.
So it has been around in Europe as well, as early as November 2019 at least.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

I have written it here before, I met a white Brit, he said he was ill in late Oct/Early Nov with same system, while visiting France.
So it has been around in Europe as well, as early as November 2019 at least.

I personally know individuals who express the same reservation, being infected during the winter of 2019 with same symptoms long before China announced it. Some "elite" and "think tank" idiots on this forum simply do not acknowledge these facts.

American facilities MUST be examined by world authorities. There are no two ways about it.

 

[sha ah]

Remember the Spanish flu began in the US but of course they blamed it on the Spanish. Nobody calls it the American flu, which it rightfully should have been called.

From what I've heard the earliest traces of Covid have been found from samples taken from sewers in Italy.

Coronavirus was already in Italy by December, waste water study finds

Scientists say samples from Milan and Turin showed virus traces long before cases were confirmed.

www.bbc.com

Also a New Jersey mayor believes that he had Covid in late 2019, November

New Jersey mayor believes he had coronavirus in November

A New Jersey mayor who recently tested positive for the coronavirus antibodies believes he contracted the bug back in November — over a month before China reported their first case and two mo…

nypost.com

Also there were sporadic outbreaks of pneumonia like symptoms in care homes in the US.

In western Canada, a friend of mine lives in a 4 storey apartment building. Around late 2019 everyone in the building got extremely ill with pneumonia like symptoms and one person in the building who had severe breathing complications died as a result.

Of course some of this is anecdotal but it all seems rather suspicious.

Well, yeah. When cases start popping up, it usually means the virus has been circulating for quite a while already.

Also, it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China. Also, posting twitter posts (which is banned in China, so how are you accessing it?) Isn't really evidence of anything.

 

[That Guy]

PdF tHiNk TaNk: "...it still doesn't mean that it didn't come from China."
WHO: W e are still investigating the origin.

Instead of going full....how about using a bit of critical thinking? I know it's hard, seeing as you don't seem to use your brain that often.

Did the WHO say that the virus didn't come from China? Because all indications pretty much show that it came from China. WHO is trying to find the exact origin, but funnily enough, they're complaining that China hasn't been cooperative.

Well, when talking about fact:

Fact is China is the first country who report this virus to WHO and developed a testkit to test it.

Fact is, until now, neither WHO nor scientists have found where the virus come from, with conclusive evidence.

Fact is China accept WHO's investigation to our Wuhan lab, whilst the US still refuse to open any of their bio weapon lab, Fort Detrick in particular, for any independent investigation, despite of multiple requests and call made by China.

Fact is ,according to WHO's investigation report, whilst WHO's investigation team to China don't believe the virus come from Wuhan virus lab, but they did not rule out the possibility this virus is man-made in labs, you know like the bioweapon lab at Fort Detrick etc (shut down due to "leak" in August 2019).

Thats the fact, the rest are just your unproven fantasies.

Just because China is the first country who discovery this COVID-19 doesn't mean the virus come from China.

Your poor logic is like just because a guy whos is the first who call to police about a crimine scence, the judge throw that poor guy into prison for the particular crime he reported.

Absolutely none of that has anything to do with what I said, except the last point, which would only make sense if China itself denies that it didn't come from China, which it doesn't deny.

If you're gonna attack my (very consistent and common sense) logic, then try to actually use logic yourself.

So you're talking about a time machine. China invented a time machine and an infected Chinese travels back to September 2019 or even earlier.He came to the United States and infected some Americans.Then, after months of transmission, antibodies finally appeared in blood samples from several states in the United States.

There seems to be a severe lack of critical thinking in this thread.

I literally explained this.

Remember the Spanish flu began in the US but of course they blamed it on the Spanish. Nobody calls it the American flu, which it rightfully should have been called.

From what I've heard the earliest traces of Covid have been found from samples taken from sewers in Italy.

Coronavirus was already in Italy by December, waste water study finds

Scientists say samples from Milan and Turin showed virus traces long before cases were confirmed.

www.bbc.com

Also a New Jersey mayor believes that he had Covid in late 2019, November

New Jersey mayor believes he had coronavirus in November

A New Jersey mayor who recently tested positive for the coronavirus antibodies believes he contracted the bug back in November — over a month before China reported their first case and two mo…

nypost.com

Also there were sporadic outbreaks of pneumonia like symptoms in care homes in the US.

In western Canada, a friend of mine lives in a 4 storey apartment building. Around late 2019 everyone in the building got extremely ill with pneumonia like symptoms and one person in the building who had severe breathing complications died as a result.

Of course some of this is anecdotal but it all seems rather suspicious.

Anecdotes are a kind of evidence, so its fine, though I personally don't use them because they're hard to prove, unless you wanna dox yourself.

I don't doubt that the virus was probably spread around that time, in fact it seems more than likely it was already spread for a good long time.

However, there is no way to prove it, as it could have been something completely unrelated.

 

[That Guy]

yeah,,,simply your presumption...

This entire thread is filled with it, if you're gonna complain about me, be consistent and complain about others as well.

 

[sha ah]

The anecdotal evidence aside, the antibody samples in Italian sewers and from various people including that US mayor pretty much proves that it was already spreading around long before the Chinese gov detected and contained it in China.

Just like with the "Spanish" flu which actually started in the US, the Americans will fight to the last drop of blood before ever admitting blame for this. Just the fact that China has opened its facilities to inspection while the US refuses speaks volumes about their intentions.

Instead of going full....how about using a bit of critical thinking? I know it's hard, seeing as you don't seem to use your brain that often.

Did the WHO say that the virus didn't come from China? Because all indications pretty much show that it came from China. WHO is trying to find the exact origin, but funnily enough, they're complaining that China hasn't been cooperative.

Absolutely none of that has anything to do with what I said, except the last point, which would only make sense if China itself denies that it didn't come from China, which it doesn't deny.

If you're gonna attack my (very consistent and common sense) logic, then try to actually use logic yourself.

There seems to be a severe lack of critical thinking in this thread.

I literally explained this.

Anecdotes are a kind of evidence, so its fine, though I personally don't use them because they're hard to prove, unless you wanna dox yourself.

I don't doubt that the virus was probably spread around that time, in fact it seems more than likely it was already spread for a good long time.

However, there is no way to prove it, as it could have been something completely unrelated.