BREAKING: Hezbollah says it stands in support of Pakistan and Kashmir’s right to self determination

[WaqarZ]

These people are very simple if they think Pakistan is stupid. Strategic establishment knows them inside out for a long time, especially their holy godfathers next door. This value of politics that they are bringing is of the basic type found in saas-bahu relations over the world. Just useless basically.

 

[bafxet]

This will strengthened us. A result of Pakistan China and Iranian block, not to forget Turkey and Russia. Pakistan on course to come out of obscurity and attain its true potential. Bajwa on right course.

 

[Max]

Not a troll friend and not acting innocent. I said we admit our mistake but you guys don’t. Look at UN own most recent report on terrorism and what role Pakistan play and if Pakistan is so innocent why is it in FATF gray list?
Besides Musharraf and IK both admitted about Pakistan’s support for terrorist groups

https://www.arabnews.com/node/1530631/press-review

What are you blabbering about?

 

[Big Tank]

it is boring and flaming at the same time. You are a Pakistani so should support what Pakistan says not the an organization as such from outside of Pakistan. Instead of creating divide within country just for an organization outside; lest unite and fight for the Kashmir cause. Everyone has many skeletons and it needs alot of patience to listen and I don't see anyone ready as such. All I find is, lets throw mud at each other. Better to stop it right here.

I will promote the policy of Pakistan and ofc the national security at upmost. However, supporting an organization out of Pakistan which poses no harm to Pakistan but instead counts as as allies is not harmful or an issue.

 

[The Eagle]

I will promote the policy of Pakistan and ofc the national security at upmost.

Appreciated.

However, supporting an organization out of Pakistan which poses no harm to Pakistan but instead counts as as allies is not harmful or an issue.

You may personally find such support to an outside organization palusible but on the same time, respect the opposing views and opinions as well. That is how it works in friendly environment. These organizations are not our allies as long as we don't have our strategical interests aligned with or we are involved for our national interest. I don't find WE are allies to Hizb ul ALLAH. Your count may need to be expressed in personal capacity and enforcing the same for national approach, may fire back at time. Therefore, the above post.

 

[The Eagle]

With the help of YOU(Pakistan) of course . But we learned our mistake and now who are THEY(Taliban and Al-queda) hiding from? From us(USA) because we are dropping 500 pound bombs on them. Who is still supporting them?You(Pakistan).
YOU(Pakistan)were hiding Osama and WE(USA) killed him.

Don't sound like Major Guarav Arya. US has been then supporting many in Syria, Iraq & even Libya. Everyone has his own set of regrets but there are very few or only one that admits and tells the real story. Didn't they tell you that how OBL was let to slip on more than 2 occasions in Afghanistan? Mullah Omar been living next to US base in Afghanistan and it was revealed when he died. Taliban were also seen having a good say in D.C back then. It is all about your purpose is served and using others as pawn. Those were US blue eyed boys against USSR but then again, were terrorists because US needs to enter Afghanistan & had to blame someone for 9/11. Similarly, there were WMDs in Iraq as well and anti Assad are now beautiful children. Qaddafi was evil and look at current state of affairs.

Thread banned.

 

[Zhukov]

However, I am witnessing the radio silence of Pakistan's foreign ministry on this. No one ever came out and openly supported Pakistan on Kashmir like that. FO should respond with protocols but USAID is important ofc.

Its not Just about USAID.
That's very sensitive lane. We cannot just openly come out in support of Hizbollah. there is so much going own there between Iran, USA, Turkey and GCC. It will open a Pandora Box for us. The best thing we should do is NOT to oppose those who reach an olive branch of support to us for now.
We are not in a position to take open sides in any middle eastern conflict. We neither Sided anyone in Yemen Conflict nor in Syrian Conflict.
Better focus on our own regional problems.
Pakistan have working relations with all parties of Middle East. Lets not upset this delicate balance. Be it USA, Turkey, GCC Arabs,Syria, Egypt, Iran, Russia etc

 

[Big Tank]

Indian media butthurt over Hezbollah's stance over Kashmir:

Appreciated.



You may personally find such support to an outside organization palusible but on the same time, respect the opposing views and opinions as well. That is how it works in friendly environment. These organizations are not our allies as long as we don't have our strategical interests aligned with or we are involved for our national interest. I don't find WE are allies to Hizb ul ALLAH. Your count may need to be expressed in personal capacity and enforcing the same for national approach, may fire back at time. Therefore, the above post.

I agree on the environment part.

Regarding the allies. Allies can be different for every individual under the impression that they're not directly linked with the country. Someone who has religious affiliation towards a specific sect may not consider AQ as terrorist, while someone from a different capacity may believe that AQ is terrorist. Same falls for Hezbollah or Liwa groups in Syria.

As long as they've nothing to do with the country in terms of friendly relation or hostility, no conclusion can be made.

 

[The Eagle]

Regarding the allies. Allies can be different for every individual under the impression that they're not directly linked with the country. Someone who has religious affiliation towards a specific sect may not consider AQ as terrorist, while someone from a different capacity may believe that AQ is terrorist. Same falls for Hezbollah or Liwa groups in Syria.

There is the twist as you brought sect and AQ into discussion. Exactly, the point that we shall not reach. Same falls for the Hizb ul ALLAH so that's why I said, respect the opinion of other side as well then and lest not make it a national issue. I am sure, this conversation is done except that anyone wants to drag the leg for nothing. Since, the choices are divided on sect basis, as you said, it will be better to not to bring such divides to the Forum and that's it.

Regards,

 

[Big Tank]

There is the twist as you brought sect and AQ into discussion. Exactly, the point that we shall not reach. Same falls for the Hizb ul ALLAH so that's why I said, respect the opinion of other side as well then and lest not make it a national issue. I am sure, this conversation is done except that anyone wants to drag the leg for nothing. Since, the choices are divided on sect basis, as you said, it will be better to not to bring such divides to the Forum and that's it.

Regards,

I brought AQ in to compare the affiliations. That's somehow natural and general. Despite that Hezbollah has nothing to do with Pakistan. AQ have been in Pakistan and have been our allies in past, enemies now. By then, people do still are fan to them. So it does depend on sects.

 

[The Eagle]

I brought AQ in to compare the affiliations. That's somehow natural and general. Despite that Hezbollah has nothing to do with Pakistan. AQ have been in Pakistan and have been our allies in past, enemies now. By then, people do still are fan to them. So it does depend on sects.

You might be looking at the same from the lens of Sect but for me, that was indeed a strategical concern. People only limits the goal & merely downplays the bigger picture by bringing sect or affiliating as such. There is another reference that Pakistan does not tow the line of Sect at all as we didn't join Yemen nor Syria at all. Can you understand that? It is all about strategical interests in Afghanistan as compare to not joining a war between Muslims in Yemen or Syria. Just pay attention to the intention & good deeds. Please spare me with repetitive sectarian mention again & again.

Regards,

 

[Big Tank]

You might be looking at the same from the lens of Sect but for me, that was indeed a strategical concern. People only limits the goal & merely downplays the bigger picture by bringing sect or affiliating as such. There is another reference that Pakistan does not tow the line of Sect at all as we didn't join Yemen nor Syria at all. Can you understand that? It is all about strategical interests in Afghanistan as compare to not joining a war between Muslims in Yemen or Syria. Just pay attention to the intention & good deeds. Please spare me with repetitive sectarian mention again & again.

Regards,

I am not mentioning you or alleging you with anything sectarian. My point have been towards the general population belonging from both the sects. You largely didn't get my point.

Regarding the AQ as allies. Yes, it was strategic not sectarian, I am talking about the population. When Syrian Civil War began, it was a common belief that Pak would oppose the regime as we're allies to the Gulf and West. It didn't happen, Pakistan supported the regime and Yemen is another example of avoiding any Military campaign. So my point is same as yours.

 

[The Eagle]

No sectarian filth to be posted here. The discussion must remain on topic from strategical point of view. A genralization may be resort for the one to stay relevant but that is not the case when it comes to Pakistan.

I am not mentioning you or alleging you with anything sectarian. My point have been towards the general population belonging from both the sects. You largely didn't get my point.

Regarding the AQ as allies. Yes, it was strategic not sectarian, I am talking about the population. When Syrian Civil War began, it was a common belief that Pak would oppose the regime as we're allies to the Gulf and West. It didn't happen, Pakistan supported the regime and Yemen is another example of avoiding any Military campaign. So my point is same as yours.

Pakistan didn't support any regime. Read my post again and then official statements.

 

[cocomo]

@The Eagle
Calling a spade a spade isn't dual loyalty neither is it sectarianism. There was no reason to delete my post. I can justify every sentence of it.

 

[The Eagle]

@The Eagle
Calling a spade a spade isn't dual loyalty neither is it sectarianism. There was no reason to delete my post. I can justify every sentence of it.

Sectarian posting is not allowed and you don't need to prove anything. It should be a last reminder. You can keep your justifications away as long as they are mixed with sectarian divide and explanations as such.

Regards,