Breaking: Google pulls Huawei’s Android license, forcing it to use open source version

[Götterdämmerung]

Huawei can access Androids open sourced codes but NO access to proprietary google apps, services and libraries for huawei!

And you do know how important Google services are for regular users...

I have an Android system but never used Gmail or any other Goolge services. There are so many great alternative apps.

 

[patero]

I have an Android system but never used Gmail or any other Goolge services. There are so many great alternative apps.

Some people will manage without Google play, I'm probably one of them. But this is about what decisions the market makes (excluding China) when choosing between product offerings- buy a phone with access to Google services or without. Most rational consumers are going to choose an alternative to Huawei, this is going to hurt their sales.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

Some people will manage without Google play, I'm probably one of them. But this is about what decisions the market makes (excluding China) when choosing between product offerings- buy a phone with access to Google services or without. Most rational consumers are going to choose an alternative to Huawei, this is going to hurt their sales.

We'll see what alternative Huawei will be able to offer. Outside of China, they will probably suffer a setback during the change. But as far as I know, most people in my surounding are fed up with US arrogance and would stick to Huawei or anything that is not US.

 

[Nilgiri]

@Jlaw can we expect China govt to do something now?

 

[F-22Raptor]

Yikes....a near death blow to Huawei.

 

[Yaseen1]

I think huawei will develop its own ios

 

[gambit]

The National Intelligence Law...

http://www.npc.gov.cn/npc/xinwen/2017-06/27/content_2024529.htm

...Quite make everyone and every company an intelligence asset for the Party, not the government, but essentially -- for the Party.

That mean if the government, acting on behalf of the Party, want to know who you called, when, and where from, literally everyone in the chain that provided you that service, from the phone maker to the service provider, must obey and give up all information requested.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/the-real-danger-of-chinas-national-intelligence-law/

Article 7 of the law, Gu writes, creates the “obligation of Chinese citizens to support national intelligence work.” However, “it does not authorize pre-emptive spying; national intelligence work must be defensive in nature.”

Thus, in so many words, a leading CCP law professor acknowledges that the law does indeed oblige citizens to spy on one another — the only question is at what point in the process the spying can legally begin.

So if a government official issue to you, a cell phone service provider, a subpoena, or whatever legally equivalent in China, for information about your cell phone usage, the order can be as narrow or as broad as the government felt needed, you have to obey the order. Any reason can be interpreted as 'defensive in nature'.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/beijings-new-national-intelligence-law-defense-offense

...would grant intelligence officials the right to enter otherwise restricted facilities, examine private records, investigate and question personnel, and access or even requisition communications or transport equipment owned by companies or individuals.

All the defensive arguments about Chinese companies leaders' past relationships to the PLA are moot. Officially, all the Chinese CEOs can provide official documents stating they have none, or no longer, ties to the PLA and it would be pointless in light of the intelligence law.

Huawei's CEO Ren Zhengfei is not ignorant of the national intelligence law. No CEO of his stature is ignorant of this. At ANY time unknown to the Huawei cell phone user, his/her usage record can be made available to the Chinese government. There are no allowance for Chinese companies to refuse an order the way US and Western companies can and have refused their governments' orders.

Under the Intelligence Law, corporations could file complaints if intelligence agencies exceed their legal authority, although they may be limited to complaining to the agencies themselves. But the law says nothing about procedures for staying an improper demand for intelligence assistance or for filing lawsuits (in contrast, many recent suits have been filed in U.S. federal courts by corporations and foundations challenging intelligence information requests, National Security Letters, and their confidentiality clauses).

Regarding the highlighted, that was not a mistake in legislation.

Ideally, if you make a law, there is an accompanying provision on when and how the law could be challenged and that challenge would stop the government from executing that law until the challenge is resolved in court. The absence of that provision in the National Intelligence Law is deliberate to prevent any challenges.

In reality, is Zhengfei, or anyone in Huawei, going to challenge a request? The wealthier you are, the greater you lose in terms of tangible and intangible wealth. Tangible wealth are cash, stock values, cars, homes, and private jets. Intangible wealth are connections, friendships, accessibility, and influence.

Zhengfei is going to give all that up over the privacy of some unknown Huawei cell phone user in the ME or Asia or Europe?

This...

http://www.chinawhisper.com/10-chinese-mobile-phone-brands-with-the-most-global-recognition/

...Is a global intelligence gold mine that not even the NSA/CIA/MI-whatever/FSB have.

 

[Götterdämmerung]

The National Intelligence Law...

http://www.npc.gov.cn/npc/xinwen/2017-06/27/content_2024529.htm

...Quite make everyone and every company an intelligence asset for the Party, not the government, but essentially -- for the Party.

That mean if the government, acting on behalf of the Party, want to know who you called, when, and where from, literally everyone in the chain that provided you that service, from the phone maker to the service provider, must obey and give up all information requested.

https://thediplomat.com/2019/02/the-real-danger-of-chinas-national-intelligence-law/

So if a government official issue to you, a cell phone service provider, a subpoena, or whatever legally equivalent in China, for information about your cell phone usage, the order can be as narrow or as broad as the government felt needed, you have to obey the order. Any reason can be interpreted as 'defensive in nature'.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/beijings-new-national-intelligence-law-defense-offense

All the defensive arguments about Chinese companies leaders' past relationships to the PLA are moot. Officially, all the Chinese CEOs can provide official documents stating they have none, or no longer, ties to the PLA and it would be pointless in light of the intelligence law.

Huawei's CEO Ren Zhengfei is not ignorant of the national intelligence law. No CEO of his stature is ignorant of this. At ANY time unknown to the Huawei cell phone user, his/her usage record can be made available to the Chinese government. There are no allowance for Chinese companies to refuse an order the way US and Western companies can and have refused their governments' orders.


Regarding the highlighted, that was not a mistake in legislation.

Ideally, if you make a law, there is an accompanying provision on when and how the law could be challenged and that challenge would stop the government from executing that law until the challenge is resolved in court. The absence of that provision in the National Intelligence Law is deliberate to prevent any challenges.

In reality, is Zhengfei, or anyone in Huawei, going to challenge a request? The wealthier you are, the greater you lose in terms of tangible and intangible wealth. Tangible wealth are cash, stock values, cars, homes, and private jets. Intangible wealth are connections, friendships, accessibility, and influence.

Zhengfei is going to give all that up over the privacy of some unknown Huawei cell phone user in the ME or Asia or Europe?

This...

http://www.chinawhisper.com/10-chinese-mobile-phone-brands-with-the-most-global-recognition/

...Is a global intelligence gold mine that not even the NSA/CIA/MI-whatever/FSB have.

the idiot doesn't even know that Zhengfei is the CEO'a first name.

 

[gambit]

the idiot doesn't even know that Zhengfei is the CEO'a first name.

Does it matter on his obligation to the state?

THE STATE: "Yo...Zhengy...We need all the records of cell phone sold in 2019, their serial numbers, and their shipping addresses. And we need them EOB."

ZHENGY: "Yes...Massah...Massah..."

 

[艹艹艹]

thanks

 

[JSCh]

Another sucker punch from the US.

What this is saying to the world is to never trust US, to keep politic out of business.

 

[gambit]

What this is saying to the world is to never trust US, to keep politic out of business.

With the National Intelligence Law that effectively made YOU -- whoever you are behind that forum in handle in China -- a readied intelligence asset for the Party, YOU are in no position to preach about keeping politics and business separate.

I think huawei will develop its own ios

If true, then with the National Intelligence Law, the Party will certainly inject its own requirements into the new OS.

https://www.theregister.co.uk/2018/05/24/alexa_recording_couple/

What we fear of Amazon's Alexa, Apple's Siri, or Google's Assistant will be real in all Chinese made cell phones and assorted mobile devices. The phone will record everything heard in your business meetings. Congrats.

 

[JSCh]

With the National Intelligence Law that effectively made YOU -- whoever you are behind that forum in handle in China -- a readied intelligence asset for the Party, YOU are in no position to preach about keeping politics and business separate.

Personal attack is for those who have no other valid argument.

 

[gambit]

Personal attack is for those who have no other valid argument.

That was not a personal attack. Can you deny what I posted in 22? The National Intelligence Law made politically available every Chinese individuals, not just organizations, for Party related purposes. The law melded politics and business in ways dictators envies: subtle and opaque to the public.

Your China is truly in front of the curve.

 

[Dungeness]

It would be interesting if Huawei ship phones with open source Android, GMS downloading becomes an end user's choice when setting up his new phone:

Do you want to download Google Mobile Service (GMS)? Yes, No