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Breaking: Google pulls Huawei’s Android license, forcing it to use open source version

LOL, be careful for what you wished for:lol:

So what? Ticktock is more popular than YouTube and China's e-payments are way better than crap google pay.

Huawei has its PLAN B, including a new OS called HongMeng, with FangZhou compiler toolchain.

Just Fangzhou alone, can turn android APP into something with the speed of IOS due to it bypass android's crap virtual machine mechanism all-together. The compiler toolchain is just the tip of the iceberg.

If President Dotard try to ban Huawei (until now they backtrack with 90 days reminder LOL), it will be an all-out trade war, and in that scenario, China will ban Apple AppStore in China and force China's software developer to offer update to Huawei's OS only.

And btw, Huawei's OS has the merged mobile to desktop to as far as data-center, with Linux/Unix like kernel.

For most Chinese, they will go with whatever phone who has Wechat/Alipay/Taobao/Ticktock/QQ/LOL etc, so it will be very easy for China to kick all android system out of China and so it will be good bye for the US company.

And Huawei also has its own CPU and AI chipset and toolchain inhouse, and all are plan B.

With the economy power of China and being the largest consumer market with one billion+ people with good IQ, it wont be long before all these tech become mature in China.

So basically after the US lost the trade war, they will also create a MONSTER called Huawei, who not just dominate telecom tech, mobile phones, but will go out to take on Microsoft, Intel, Oracle, IBM and Nvidia.:lol:

History has shown, once Huawei enter some new market, it only take a few years before they master the rule, and then they will keep the tech race at full speed to leave all the old players out of market.

It will be good for the world by then, since nobody need to endure the crap US products anymore, like bugged Windows, CPUs with full security holes or overpriced GPU or outdated and overpriced database and such.

So good luck with that.:rofl:
 
This will make things difficult for Huaweis mobile division but it will hardly be the death blow that many seems to be alluding here. If there is any company in the world that could affectively challenge Androids Domination other than Apple is Huawei.
Those who claim this is the end of Huawei are ignorant to say the least, they do produce heck lot of other hardware just not smart phones.

What US is doing is a message being sent to the whole world not just Huawei that American tech companies are as unreliable as US. Lets see which side the chips fall on this one.
 
@Jlaw can we expect China govt to do something now?


China can support more funding to Huawei for R&D to be self reliant (because Huawei is Chinese champion), and give more tax reduction so that Huawei can sell their smartphone much cheaper even allow dumping to the world. :)

Aren't you tempted to buy P30 with lot cheaper price although not using the latest Android and 7nm processor?

Shortly China can start to ban Iphone and alleviate tax on smartphones using Android and Qualcomm in Chinese market in the future (when Kirin chip is ready for every smartphone).
 
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That was not a personal attack. Can you deny what I posted in 22? The National Intelligence Law made politically available every Chinese individuals, not just organizations, for Party related purposes. The law melded politics and business in ways dictators envies: subtle and opaque to the public.

Your China is truly in front of the curve.
Everyone here is talking about Huawei and Google OS. Only you that is trying to reflect to something else. What the US did is unethical, you don't promote and sell something and then suddenly deny its availability and left your customer hanging. The US has gone rogue.
 
Trump probably just signed the death sentence for iPhone/Apple in China. Westerners generally do not understand Chinese minds, the harder you bully them the harder they give you back.
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And I am not talking about Chinese government and Huawei, The backlash against US products will be mostly come from the people, the end user, one billion of them. Apple/ iPhone users will accelerate the switch-over to Huawei with patriotic sentiment which most American do not comprehend.

As for the operation system and apps, Huawei has Plan B since many years ago. Implementation of these in Greater China, and other parts of the world with significant Chinese influence should be not a big problem. This will create a situation where IOS, Android and a new Chinese OS dominating the world. And Google/Android might lose anywhere from 30% to 50% of global customers out-side USA, which will weaken their financial position. Huawei will face set back too, but in long term with its own domestic chips/sub-component and OS and apps, its business foundation will be stronger in facing outside attack.

Huawei bought US$10 billion of sub-components from US companies last year. $10 billion income for these US companies are now lost, and along with it thousands of US workers will lose their jobs.
 
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Now we are escalating to nuclear strikes on strategic level military targets like ports! Our Dongfeng ballistic missiles are already on their way even as the Americans are patting themselves on the back.
 
Trump probably just signed the death sentence for iPhone/Apple in China. Westerners generally do not understand Chinese minds, the harder you bully them the harder they give you back.
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And I am not talking about Chinese government and Huawei, The backlash against US products will be mostly come from the people, the end user, one billion of them. Apple/ iPhone users will accelerate the switch-over to Huawei with patriotic sentiment which most American do not comprehend.

As for the operation system and apps, Huawei has Plan B since many years ago. Implementation of these in Greater China, and other parts of the world with significant Chinese influence should be not a big problem. This will create a situation where IOS, Android and a new Chinese OS dominating the world. And Google/Android might lose anywhere from 30% to 50% of global customers out-side USA, which will weaken their financial position. Huawei will face set back too, but in long term with its own domestic chips/sub-component and OS and apps, its business foundation will be stronger in facing outside attack.

You highlighted a very important point that most of the commentators here seems to be forgetting. I have to agree with your analysis on this issue. The Atlantic had recently posted a very good commentary which is talking along the same lines, you can read it below. Overall US is overestimating its own abilities with severe underestimating of Chinese ones.


To China, All's Fair in Love and Trade Wars
China has more leverage in its trade war with the U.S. than you think.

MICHAEL SCHUMAN MAY 18, 2019

Just how bad are things between the United States and China? Over an evening beer in Beijing this week, a friend and I debated which prominent American company China would whack first. It’s a serious question—and the answer could be the next ugly step in the escalating economic dispute between the two powers.


The standard line from President Donald Trump and those who support his get-tough approach toward Beijing is that because China sells more to the U.S. than the other way around, Washington has the upper hand in its game of tariffs. “China buys MUCH less from us than we buy from them,” Trump recently tweeted, “so we are in a fantastic position.”

Statistically, that’s true: The U.S. exported only $120 billion worth of goods to China in 2018, compared with the $540 billion it imported. Beijing has a lot less stuff to tax, so the amount of damage it can inflict on the American economy and business through tariffs is much more limited. That view seemed confirmed when Beijing announced a surprisingly moderate package of new duties in retaliation for Trump’s latest broadside. While Washington hiked tariffs from 10 percent to 25 percent on $200 billion of Chinese products, and is threatening to slap on even more, Beijing responded by increasing tariffs on only about $60 billion of American goods.

In practice, though, the fight is not as uneven as the trade—China has many weapons at its disposal beyond tariffs to make life miserable for American chief executives.

The intrusive Chinese state has all sorts of levers to control the economy and society, and in an environment that lacks rule of law, officials can pull them at their pleasure. They also have far more targets to aim at than the trade data suggest. Many American companies have substantial operations within China that are tremendously important to their bottom lines. General Motors and its partners, for instance, sold more than 3.6 million vehicles in China last year, almost all of them manufactured locally. Starbucks operates more coffee shops in China than in any other market aside from the United States. These businesses are vulnerable to government-inspired nefariousness, from product boycotts and state-press smear campaigns to regulatory investigations.


The Chinese have employed such tactics in the past. In 2017, for instance, China’s government waged an undeclared war against South Korean business over a dispute regarding an American missile-defense system. When Seoul rebuffed Beijing’s demands that it cease deployment of the system—which the Chinese considered a threat to their security—China tried to compel the South Koreans by pressuring their companies and economic interests.

A primary target was Lotte, a Korean conglomerate with interests in candy, hotels, retail, and other businesses. Lotte committed the crime of providing land for the missile system. The Chinese government whipped up nationalist ire against the company through the state-controlled media. One op-ed in the Global Times, a newspaper run by the Communist Party, entitled “Lotte’s Development in China Should Come to an End,” thundered that “showing Lotte the door will be an effective warning to all the other foreign forces that jeopardize China’s national interests.” Protests erupted in front of supermarkets owned by the Korean group, while inspectors ordered outlets closed after supposed violations. Sales plummeted, and Lotte eventually exited from the business. That wasn’t all. Chinese shoppers also shied away from Korean-branded cars and cosmetics. Korean pop stars were denied entry visas; group tours to Seoul for big-spending Chinese travelers were canceled.


Canada is enduring such treatment right now. Angered that Canadian authorities (at the behest of Washington) arrested the chief financial officer of the Chinese telecom giant Huawei Technologies, Beijing blocked Canada’s exports of pork and canola, pinching the country’s agricultural sector. China has taken this step even though it isn’t in its own economic interest, since its domestic pork industry has been ravaged by swine flu. Similarly, in 2012, Chinese quarantine officers began impounding Philippine bananas amid a flare-up over contested claims in the South China Sea.

one famous case in 2013, Mead Johnson, Danone, and other foreign firms were heavily fined for supposed pricing infractions. The U.S. Chamber of Commerce at the time argued that the anti-monopoly probes “often appear designed to advance industrial policy and boost national champions” and “rely insufficiently on sound economic analysis.” Chinese regulators have already claimed one victim in the current trade dispute—the microchip company Qualcomm, which had to abandon its acquisition of a Dutch firm when Beijing failed to approve the deal.


Another possible tool—though a less likely option—is the Chinese currency, the yuan. Though it floats more freely these days, the central bank still commands a great degree of control over its movements. Chinese authorities could depress its value to make the country’s exports cheaper in global markets, offsetting the extra costs imposed by Trump’s tariffs.


So far, Beijing has kept its powder dry. Careful not to appear the aggressor, China’s leaders have tried to match their retaliation in its timing and scope to Trump’s. But only to a point. Julian Evans-Pritchard, a senior China economist at the research firm Capital Economics, recently noted that government officials have leaned on state-owned enterprises to curtail purchases of U.S. products such as soybeans and natural gas, engineering a sharp decline in those imports. That’s one reason why American exports have proportionately been hurt more than China’s in the trade war. According to data from the U.S. Census Bureau, American exports to China in the first quarter of 2019 dropped by 19 percent from the same period a year earlier, while China’s exports to the U.S. have fallen 14 percent.


One weapon that will likely remain sheathed is Chinese holdings of U.S. government debt. China is the largest foreign holder of U.S. Treasury securities, with $1.1 trillion of them, and that has fed speculation that in a pinch, Beijing would dump this hoard and disrupt American financial markets. That fear was further fueled this week when new data showed that China in March sold the most Treasuries since 2016. Still, selling them en masse is highly improbable, since doing so would also depress the value of China’s own wealth.

Still, could Apple or Coca-Cola end up in the crosshairs like Lotte? Don’t dismiss it. Trump himself has opened the door to targeting individual firms in the course of this dispute, by signing an executive order this month allowing the U.S. to ban telecommunications firms from using equipment from foreign companies that pose a security risk—read Huawei here. As Beijing knows, all’s fair in love and trade wars.

Source: https://www.theatlantic.com/interna...re-leverage-thank-you-think-trade-war/589726/
 
Everyone here is talking about Huawei and Google OS. Only you that is trying to reflect to something else. What the US did is unethical, you don't promote and sell something and then suddenly deny its availability and left your customer hanging. The US has gone rogue.
Reflect? No, what I posted was a vital component to how the US views Chinese made hardware. If what we did was 'unethical', then what your China did with the National Intelligence Law was morally criminal.

So tell us, if the Chinese government orders you to spy on your foreign employer, would you do it?
 
Reflect? No, what I posted was a vital component to how the US views Chinese made hardware. If what we did was 'unethical', then what your China did with the National Intelligence Law was morally criminal.

So tell us, if the Chinese government orders you to spy on your foreign employer, would you do it?
The biggest spying nation is USA, the NSA spies on France and Germany, all yet windows Google and Cisco are bugged. The real reason they target Huawei is because their hardware is secured making NSA work harder and harder to spy. get it genius?
 
The biggest spying nation is USA,...
With the National Intelligence Law, China took the lead since '17.

So tell us, if the Chinese government orders you to spy on your foreign employer, would you do it?
 
With the National Intelligence Law, China took the lead since '17.

So tell us, if the Chinese government orders you to spy on your foreign employer, would you do it?
Do you have the draft copy of that law? Please explain it to me clause by clause. Then only we can dissect it's contents.

Comparing NSA and a Chinese law is a joke. You are the largest devil on earth. China is not the bad guy here, US is, Trump is, don't tell me you love Trump.
 
It would be interesting if Huawei ship phones with open source Android, GMS downloading becomes an end user's choice when setting up his new phone:

Do you want to download Google Mobile Service (GMS)? Yes, No
Should add a disclaimer to that "Yes" that Huawei cant take responsibility for Google being subject to hand over all your private data they store and collect at request of the U.S. government for any vapid and vague "national security" excuse the corrupt U.S. government may pull out of its *** regardless of any national and international laws, if you opt in to Google Services.
 

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