Breaking coup attempt in Venezuela.

[ARMalik]

And as expected, US has failed in Venezuela to overthrow the government, thanks in part to Russia.

 

[nahtanbob]

Then why not elect, say the CPUSA or the Occupy movement, to power instead of right-wing regime-changers ??



Can you please elaborate on each that you have listed ??

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Addition : The CPUSA will be celebrating this year its 100 years of founding.

Social Security - you pay 7 % of paycheck into it. you and your spouse get a paycheck every month until you die.
Medicare - medical care for the people above age of 65. you pay 1-2% of paycheck while you are working.
Medicaid - medical care vouchers for the poor
free K-12 education - free school education for all kids from Kindergarten to 12th grade
libraries - most public libraries are free and open to the public.

 

[denel]

Social Security - you pay 7 % of paycheck into it. you and your spouse get a paycheck every month until you die.
Medicare - medical care for the people above age of 65. you pay 1-2% of paycheck while you are working.
Medicaid - medical care vouchers for the poor
free K-12 education - free school education for all kids from Kindergarten to 12th grade
libraries - most public libraries are free and open to the public.

interesting - socialism not so?

 

[LeGenD]

And as expected, US has failed in Venezuela to overthrow the government, thanks in part to Russia.

Janab, abhi kuch hua hee nahin aur aap kaa munpasand dawah samney aa geya.

No, Russia cannot save Venezeula from US. Obama administration SOLD Syria to Russia but Trump administration will not give Russia space in Venezeula.

Juan Guaido took his chances by orchestrating rescue of his political mentor Leopold Lopez from the clutches of Maduro regime, and set him free. Guaido's call for protests and defections to his cause, were a means to an end. Mass protests in Guaido's favor during the course of this political maneuveing have given him hope. Now, Guaido is reportedly in contact with Trump administration to help him in advancing his agenda.

Let us see, but this game is far from over.

 

[nahtanbob]

interesting - socialism not so?

some call it socialism. I use the term safety net. the most important is that the system generally works

 

[denel]

some call it socialism. I use the term safety net. the most important is that the system generally works

indeed. what i am saying - they cannot provide basic health coverage under the disguise of socialism yet are willing to turn otherway and say medicare/social security is a right.
It is ok, just a confusing mess of a two party state.

 

[925boy]

Social Security - you pay 7 % of paycheck into it. you and your spouse get a paycheck every month until you die.
Medicare - medical care for the people above age of 65. you pay 1-2% of paycheck while you are working.
Medicaid - medical care vouchers for the poor
free K-12 education - free school education for all kids from Kindergarten to 12th grade
libraries - most public libraries are free and open to the public.

You frequently oversimplify and make generalizations about situations and contexts. I'll soon clarify some of these things and open up the holes.

 

[nahtanbob]

indeed. what i am saying - they cannot provide basic health coverage under the disguise of socialism yet are willing to turn otherway and say medicare/social security is a right.
It is ok, just a confusing mess of a two party state.

medical/social security a right ??
The way I look at it - everyone pays for it during their working years and avail the benefits when retired
it is socialism in a way - contribute your share when working and take your share when retired

a lot of countries have "free health care". it is not worth it unless you want to play Russian roulette with your life

You frequently oversimplify and make generalizations about situations and contexts. I'll soon clarify some of these things and open up the holes.

you are free to shoot away at the holes. i am not saying the system is perfect. the important thing is that it works.

 

[925boy]

No, Russia cannot save Venezeula from US.

They have so far...

Obama administration SOLD Syria to Russia

BS. You're calling US govt's military indecisiveness with the Syrian war Obama selling Syria to Russia.Obama didnt make decisions alone- the entire US govt did. Dont forget GCC + Sunni rebels were the better plan US govt allowed play out for the most part..until they couldnt win.

but Trump administration will not give Russia space in Venezeula.

Trump cant give Venezuela because he doesnt even have Venezuela in his hand in the first place so how can you give what you dont have? Venezuela's military is also still on Maduro's side, so thats already a big problem for Guaido. Guaido is just a US proxy who didnt get as "lucky" as quickly as he should have. I have to acknowledge his support base and the disenfranchised Venezuelans who support him, buuuuut, his support seems as much or prolly less than Maduro;s support, so why does HE deserve to lead Venezuela now? And why do i feel that without US campaign in Venezuela recently Guaido wouldnt be known by any of us? if his rise is heavily linked to US actions and plans, then how can i say he really has good Venezuelan support? Venezuelan support for Maduro seems to be above the threshold He's in an odd spot. He will have to leave for US/another South American country thats a US ally or die in Venezuela.

 

[denel]

medical/social security a right ??
The way I look at it - everyone pays for it during their working years and avail the benefits when retired
it is socialism in a way - contribute your share when working and take your share when retired

a lot of countries have "free health care". it is not worth it unless you want to play Russian roulette with your life



you are free to shoot away at the holes. i am not saying the system is perfect. the important thing is that it works.

listen my good friend. Depends on which country you are in.

I was in Cuba when I got sick. Health care system there is very very good; I was really surprised how well they were organised. Because I was an outsider, I just paid 3$ - that included several hour stay at the local hospital due to a severe allergic reaction to some bug in the marshes and two shots + tablets; the doctor came by next day to the place i was staying to see how i was doing.

Very impressed. This was at a small coffee plantation hamlet outside Ciego D'avila which i was visiting.
Similarly, I had very positive impressions when I visited Tunisia as well as Morocco.

 

[nahtanbob]

listen my good friend. Depends on which country you are in.

I was in Cuba when I got sick. Health care system there is very very good; I was really surprised how well they were organised. Because I was an outsider, I just paid 3$ - that included several hour stay at the local hospital due to a severe allergic reaction to some bug in the marshes and two shots + tablets; the doctor came by next day to the place i was staying to see how i was doing.

Very impressed. This was at a small coffee plantation hamlet outside Ciego D'avila which i was visiting.
Similarly, I had very positive impressions when I visited Tunisia as well as Morocco.

Cuba has higher life expectancy than USA. take the statistics with a grain of salt.

if you had advanced cancer at age 70 which health care system are you going to take your chances on ?
USA or Cuba

 

[denel]

Cuba has higher life expectancy than USA. take the statistics with a grain of salt.

if you had advanced cancer at age 70 which health care system are you going to take your chances on ?
USA or Cuba

hey,at 70, i had a good life; at least in cuba. have superb people to be with. Dont under-estimate their oncology field is very good as well.

 

[valkyr_96]

listen my good friend. Depends on which country you are in.

I was in Cuba when I got sick. Health care system there is very very good; I was really surprised how well they were organised. Because I was an outsider, I just paid 3$ - that included several hour stay at the local hospital due to a severe allergic reaction to some bug in the marshes and two shots + tablets; the doctor came by next day to the place i was staying to see how i was doing.

Very impressed. This was at a small coffee plantation hamlet outside Ciego D'avila which i was visiting.
Similarly, I had very positive impressions when I visited Tunisia as well as Morocco.

Cuba has a company that contributes doctors to the UK (shortage) which is an amazing way of keeping people employed and earning foreign exchange. I am sure it also opens possibility of higher specialization and education.

 

[nahtanbob]

hey,at 70, i had a good life; at least in cuba. have superb people to be with. Dont under-estimate their oncology field is very good as well.

USA writes the textbook on advanced medical treatments. American researchers do bulk of the research.
Look at Nobel Prize for medicine lists

 

[gambit]

indeed. what i am saying - they cannot provide basic health coverage under the disguise of socialism yet are willing to turn otherway and say medicare/social security is a right.

Socialism -- generally speaking -- is when the government owns the means of production.

A completely government health care system would mean the government employs all medical professionals, either dominate or owns the pharmaceutical companies, and manages down to the individual levels all aspects of medical and health maintenance. So yes, it would be socialism.

Social Security and Medicare are rights in the sense that I paid for those services throughout my productive yrs in the belief that when I am no longer a productive member of society because of old age, I will have some personal security until I die.

It is ok, just a confusing mess of a two party state.

The US is a multi-party country. The Communist Party of the USA (CPUSA) is a legal entity. So are the Libertarian and many other. There are no laws that says there can be only two parties.

The US uses the 'first past the post' (FPTP) electoral process. FPTP tends to stabilize out to two dominant parties. FPTP places the burden of representation on the party itself, meaning, if the CPUSA want seats in Congress, it has to convince enough people to side with the party and vote commies into the Congress.

With proportional representation (PR), which is most of the world's goobermints, the law says if a party have X percentage of the people, X amount of seats will be allocated to that party in parliament. It is an arbitrary threshold as that X percentage varies from country to country.

FPTP is no more messy than PR. In many ways, FPTP is less messy than PR precisely because it is the people who must self allocate among their diverse political views. There are gradations of views in the Democratic and Republican parties. There are some Libertarians in both of the dominant parties. If one day there are enough Libertarians fed up with the dominant two, the US will see a three-party Congress. Or instead of the Libertarians, maybe it will be CPUSA-Democrats-Republicans. Or it may stabilize out to CPUSA-Libertarians or Libertarians-Republicans. If there are any messiness, it is ideological and outside of government. And that is a good thing.