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Breaking China's DF-21D missile kill chain: US expert

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A new report by the U.S.
Congressional Research Service
(CRS) suggests China's new
anti-ship ballistic missile
(ASBM) can be countered, and
is not, necessarily, the "game- changer"many defense
analysts predict.

Ronald O'Rourke, a CRS
specialist in naval affairs,
argues that China's new
DF-21D ASBM, dubbed the
"carrier killer,"can be defeated
by "employing a combination of active and passive
measures"along the ASBM's
"kill chain.” Despite dire warnings by a
variety of defense analysts that
the U.S. risks losing an aircraft
carrier to a Chinese ASBM,
O'Rourke said the U.S. Air Force
has already "taken [China's] kill chains apart to the ‘nth'
degree.” According to "China Naval
Modernization: Implications
for U.S. Navy
Capabilities,"released in late
March, O'Rourke said there are
several areas in the sequence of events (kill chain) where
active and passive measures
can be taken to stop the
missile. These include when
the target ship is detected and
identified, when that data is transmitted to the ASBM
launcher, firing the ASBM, and
when the ASBM re-entry
vehicle finds the target ship. O'Rourke makes a number of
suggestions. First, the U.S. Navy could do
more to control
electromagnetic emissions or
using deception emitters. Second, it could also acquire
systems for disabling or
jamming China's long-range
maritime surveillance and
targeting systems, destroy
ASBMs in various stages of flight, and decoy and confuse
ASBMs as they approach their
intended targets. Options for destroying ASBMs
in flight include developing
versions of the SM-3 Ballistic
Missile Defense (BMD)
interceptor missile, including
the planned SM-3 Block IIA. The U.S. Navy also should
accelerate the procurement of
the Sea-Based Terminal
interceptor, which is the
planned successor of the SM-2
Block IV terminal-phase BMD interceptor. Other options include
accelerating the development
and deployment of
electromagnetic rail guns, and
accelerating development and
deployment of shipboard high- power free electron lasers and
solid state lasers, says the
report. More could be done to develop
an ASBM endo-atmospheric
target, which currently appears
dead in the Pentagon. ASBMs could be defeated as
they approach their intended
targets by equipping ships with
electronic warfare systems or
systems for generating radar-
opaque smoke clouds that confuse an ASBM's terminal-
guidance radar.

O'Rourke said the U.S. Congress
should question if the Flight III
version of the DDG-51 Arleigh
Burke-class destroyer, which
the U.S. Navy plans to procure
in 2016, will have sufficient anti-air warfare (AAW) and
BMD capability to perform
projected air and missile
defense missions against
Chinese forces, including
ASBMs. The Flight III DDG-51 would
have more AAW and BMD
capability than the current
Flight IIA DDG-51 design but
less AAW and BMD capability
than was envisioned for a now- canceled CG(X) Next Generation
Cruiser. This is largely because the
Flight III DDG-51 would be
equipped with a 12- or 14-
foot-diameter version of the
new Air and Missile Defense
Radar (AMDR) "that would have more sensitivity than the SPY-1
radar on Flight IIA DDG-51s,
but less sensitivity than the
substantially larger version of
the AMDR that was envisioned
for the CG(X),"O'Rourke said.

Breaking China's DF-21D missile kill chain: US expert - China.org.cn

@sancho what say?
 
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US experts will say this and soon Chinese experts will counter it, so the usual PR game and we can't really say what is true and what not. But with the increasing problems in the East, it's an interesting read.
 
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The only difference here is that china already has the missile while all US counter measures are 'suggestions' only...yet to materialize.
If today china fires the missile at a US or any other carrier,they are most likely to be hit...

Out of all these 'suggestions' only the rail gun sounds like a viable option.
 
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The only difference here is that china already has the missile while all US counter measures are 'suggestions' only...yet to materialize.
If today china fires the missile at a US or any other carrier,they are most likely to be hit...

Out of all these 'suggestions' only the rail gun sounds like a viable option.
Please...

The efficacy of the DF-21D's ability to hit even as slow moving a target like a ship is the biggest suggestion of them all.
 
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The only difference here is that china already has the missile while all US counter measures are 'suggestions' only...yet to materialize.
If today china fires the missile at a US or any other carrier,they are most likely to be hit...

Out of all these 'suggestions' only the rail gun sounds like a viable option.

they are all china make.. useless
 
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already posted..@MOD please merge the previous thread..

@topic..

not only China has this kind of missile,but even Iran has too..but they only tested this missile on a fixed ship and not on a moving one just like China..I wonder why..and how come Iran and China was able to make this kind of missiles when even USA and Russia tried and failed??there is something wrong..
 
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already posted..@MOD please join the previous thread..

@topic..

not only China has this kind of missile,but even Iran has too..but they only tested this missile on a fixed ship and not on a moving one just like China..I wonder why..and how come Iran and China was able to make this kind of missiles when even USA and Russia tried and failed??there is something wrong..
What make you think we failed? What logic is this when you said that the best the Chinese have done is against fixed targets? We have conventional missiles, cruise and ballistic, that can hit fixed targets.
 
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What make you think we failed? What logic is this when you said that the best the Chinese have done is against fixed targets? We have conventional missiles, cruise and ballistic, that can hit fixed targets.

I think you got me wrong..I said USA and Russians failed to make an ASBM(that will hit a moving Ship,of course thair missiles can hit a stationary targets,any ballistic missile with low CEP has the capability I think) but Chinese and Iran made ASBM(DF-21 which was tested in Gobi desert,see the pic below and Khalij Fars) which they tested on stationary targets and claiming that it can hit moving ship..how is that possible??

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I think you got me wrong..I said USA and Russians failed to make an ASBM(that will hit a moving Ship,of course thair missiles can hit a stationary targets,any ballistic missile with low CEP has the capability I think) but Chinese and Iran made ASBM(DF-21 which was tested in Gobi desert,see the pic below and Khalij Fars) which they tested on stationary targets and claiming that it can hit moving ship..how is that possible??

carrier-124813_copy1.jpg
There is a great difference between tried and failed and did not tried at all. Usually finance is the worst obstacle.

As for hitting fixed targets...

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Six bombs in one pass. If we can spread them, we can certainly concentrate them. So for US, the issue is not engineering but of finance.
 
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The only difference here is that china already has the missile while all US counter measures are 'suggestions' only...yet to materialize.
If today china fires the missile at a US or any other carrier,they are most likely to be hit...

Out of all these 'suggestions' only the rail gun sounds like a viable option.

China does not have the missile as a reliable weapon... unless you consider the US already having lasers and railguns.
 
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The DF-21D is quite effective. There are, however, some problems. First problem is that it was only tested on a fixed target and not a moving ship, second, this missile would need an Over-the-Horizon radars to detect ships, and finally, this ship would need advanced MIRVs to effectively evade American missiles.
 
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The DF-21D is quite effective. There are, however, some problems. First problem is that it was only tested on a fixed target and not a moving ship, second, this missile would need an Over-the-Horizon radars to detect ships, and finally, this ship would need advanced MIRVs to effectively evade American missiles.

1. I dont think PLA will pronouce the success of DF 21D if it has not been tested on a moving target given the PLA weapon testing are kept rather low-profiled
2. We have Beidou satellite in low orbit
3. I think we also have MIRVs and also our YJ-XXs which can hit the carrier from other sides.
4. if the us fleet can jam our radar, we can jam them back too.
5. These will keep the american fleet busy
 
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