Breaking: Bakhmut has been liberated to be called Artemovsk

[_NOBODY_]

This war? Nobody's.

The Russians shouldn't have invaded the entire country,the Ukrainians shouldn't have been so persistent about getting in NATO and the EU.


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I always knew that you were on my side.

 

[LeGenD]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653169427691585541

Yes their offensive capacity has been destroyed.

Russian economy shrank 1.9% in first quarter, statistics service says

Russia's economy shrank 1.9% year-on-year in the first quarter of 2023, data from the Rosstat federal statistics service showed on Wednesday, following growth of 3% in the same period of last year.

www.reuters.com

The Russian economy shrank 2% in Q1

Bakhmut has fallen. Accept it, son.

 

[Dalit]

I'm cunning? I'm being honest here.

I'm saying things as I see them. And you're a troll.


The driving seat? Do you know that even Russian commanders are angry about how the government handles the war?

If Russia was in the driving seat,then it would have already had all of Eastern and Southeastern Ukraine by now.

What is happening is a war of atrition between two brother nations and the only ones who gain from this are the freemasons.

You should be worried about this escalating into a nuclear war.



I'm tagging them so that they can confirm what I said. I was going against them for months and they were calling me "biased" and "pro-Russian".

Why should I tag a mod? Legend is here,he sees what's going on.

What do you mean "backstabber"? We're not friends. When you act like a troll and flamebait me,I simply report you. End of the story.


And? What does that mean for you? As a Dutchman?

Blah blah. Such lengthy sermons. Don't be so confused and angry. Let us celebrate Russian victory.

 

[Dalit]

Reminds me of this

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He claims he is neutral LOL

 

[ARMalik]

Just from photos and videos alone from Bakhmut we’ve seen Russian dead in the multiples of thousands.

Russian offensive capacity has been effectively destroyed

Nice joke.

 

[Meengla]

Yay more drawn out war in Europe. USA made sure Europe never becomes a united power independent of the US empire. I believe a German led Europe with good relations with Russia and their cheap fuel was too scary for Yankees. The Yankees sabotaged German economy. But in the end even Europe will turn against USA. They've seen how USA is not a worthy friend. This is why a dissolution of United States will be good for world peace.

United States needs to be liberated from the Neo Cons' influence and if you watch Non-MSM American media, there ARE growing and prominent voices against the Neo Cons: Americans have learned from the folly of the Iraq War 2003 that there are black sheep sitting in Washington whose primary 'business' is wars and destruction in the world while amassing great wealth.
About Russia-Ukraine war: Russia can't loose this war as long as Putin is alive and is the leader of Russia. Even grabbing and holding on to the land east of the Dniper River will be a huge victory for Russia. And it is my prediction that should that happen, Europe will start to break away from the chokehold of the Neo Cons of America. Europe is nothing but an extension of Asia--it is not a 'continent' as such. European and Asian destinies are intertwined. Geography will ensure that outcome.

 

[Meengla]

To correct, only Americans are the winners, not Chinese.

The Russian branch of our B&R plan was messed up by this war.

Our economic development has also encountered problems due to the global economic recession, with overproduction and signs of deflation.

China is a clear winner, as are Americans. The B&R like plans are only temporarily halted. This war can't last forever. China is not only gaining cheaper Russian natural resources, but have NATO focused away from the Pacific. China can ask Putin anything and that's given to them. The long held Russian 'Strategic Ambiguity' about relations with China or the West is gone.
But even Americans will be losers if Europeans start to break away from American chokehold and that is entirely possible if Russians manage to grab and hold onto land east of the Dniper River.
I think, at max, five years the geopolitical landscape will be vastly different from where it was before this war began.

 

[The SC]

Controlling land is meaningless if it doesn’t hold any strategical value and the cost outweighs the benefits..just saying

It has some moral value for the Russians..and rich resources; it is known for its huge deposits of rock salt (with proved reserves of 5.4 billion tons) and gypsum mines..not to mention Various ores such as zinc and lead, with an admixture of copper, silver, and gold, are found near Sloviansk, Bakhmut, and in the region of Naholnyi Ridge but have not yet been exploited.

Donbas, or Donets region..The most important fuel source and industrial region of Ukraine and all of Eastern Europe, the location of highly developed coal industry, ferrous-metallurgy industry, machine building, chemical industry, and construction industry, enormous energy resources, diversified agriculture, and a dense transportation network. The Donbas lies in southeastern Ukraine and partly in the western Russian Federation, between the middle and lower Donets River in the north and the northeast and the Azov Upland and Azov Lowland in the south. The coal basin extends from west to east through most of Donetsk oblast and the southern half of Luhansk oblast in Ukraine and includes some of the western part of Rostov oblast in the Russian Federation. In Ukraine that basin covers an area of 23,000 sq km..

More to read:
https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages\D\O\DonetsBasin.htm

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660270060366180352

 

[jhungary]

I can't debate you?

Every time I debate you,you can't reply. You just troll and press the "laugh" reaction button.

That's why the meme

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The entire forum believes you're the one acting like a toddler.

People used to accuse me of being heavily biased towards the Russians last year. I'm saying be neutral and don't take anyone's propaganda seriously until you can verify it or it makes sense.

And you say that I'm "biased and supportive of Ukraine"? @Vergennes @F-22Raptor @gambit @jhungary can assure you that it's not true.


Again,you rush to say something extremely flawed. You're spreading fake news. You'll find hundreds of pages and dozens of threads about the war in Ukraine and not a single post from me there.

If something makes sense,it doesn't mean it's pro-Ukrainian propaganda. And the same goes for the Russian side.

Use your brain. If you have one and you're not here just to troll. You're supposed to be a grown man who bought a house in Izmir. How can you be so naive to believe everything Russians say? Haven't you checked other wars? This war has devolved. If Putin had reasons to start it last year,he lost all the reasons after the first 2-3 months. There was no reason for this war to continue.

lol, I would just ignore him. I mean you can't fix crazies

 

[jhungary]

China is a clear winner, as are Americans. The B&R like plans are only temporarily halted. This war can't last forever. China is not only gaining cheaper Russian natural resources, but have NATO focused away from the Pacific. China can ask Putin anything and that's given to them. The long held Russian 'Strategic Ambiguity' about relations with China or the West is gone.
But even Americans will be losers if Europeans start to break away from American chokehold and that is entirely possible if Russians manage to grab and hold onto land east of the Dniper River.
I think, at max, five years the geopolitical landscape will be vastly different from where it was before this war began.

It depends, if China only take advantage of Russia and not step into that pile of mess they created and stay out with an arm length, then I would say both India and China is clear winner in this because of the resource.

But if China starts helping Russia to shoulder that burden, then China may as well dump their money in a campfire pits. it basically taking over a country's entire operation, that was not Chinese, and none of the advantage is going to the Chinese. On the other hand, if China don't help Russia the way they wanted, how long would Russia be warming up to the Chinese?

On the other hand, there are virtually no chance for the Russian to "grab" land East of Dnieper, Russian wasn't forced out by the Ukrainian by force or military operation, they left because their position was untenable, this has not change since Nov last year and probably will not change until Russia reinvent and reform their armed force, they can't do it when this war is ongoing.

 

[onebyone]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1660073523858264065

 

[zhxy]

It depends, if China only take advantage of Russia and not step into that pile of mess they created and stay out with an arm length, then I would say both India and China is clear winner in this because of the resource.

But if China starts helping Russia to shoulder that burden, then China may as well dump their money in a campfire pits. it basically taking over a country's entire operation, that was not Chinese, and none of the advantage is going to the Chinese. On the other hand, if China don't help Russia the way they wanted, how long would Russia be warming up to the Chinese?

China can take a risk if Russia agrees to transfer all technology related to Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M, Su-57... technologies related to engines, helicopters, submarines, ballistics, missile defense systems ...

On the other hand, there are virtually no chance for the Russian to "grab" land East of Dnieper, Russian wasn't forced out by the Ukrainian by force or military operation, they left because their position was untenable, this has not change since Nov last year and probably will not change until Russia reinvent and reform their armed force, they can't do it when this war is ongoing.

Underestimating Russia is a terrible mistake. But history always repeats itself and no one can avoid it.

 

[jhungary]

China can take a risk if Russia agrees to transfer all technology related to Tu-160, Tu-95, Tu-22M, Su-57... technologies related to engines, helicopters, submarines, ballistics, missile defense systems ...

First of all, Chinese probably don't need any of those technology except maybe aircraft engine tech, and they would have been given to the Chinese by the Russian eventually.

You are not talking about a 4- or 5-years deal, you are talking about a long-term deal to look after someone else finance and be their ATM, and in this case, that someone else is a country call Russia. I don't think even if Chinese were given with all those are worth that trouble, because you are talking about Trillions of dollars across multiple years.

Underestimating Russia is a terrible mistake. But history always repeats itself and no one can avoid it.

Well, actually, most people OVER-estimate Russian capability in this war.

I mean, I can tell you a lot of things with a military perspective as a former military officer that do stuff like this for a living. But that would most likely gone over your head. Instead I will say this

This war, in any objective parameter, backfired badly for Russia. If you look at the border between NATO and Russia, even without Ukraine, NATO had made up another 1500km by the way of Finland. And if you look at the geostrategic relationship, even if Russia can cut Ukraine off from Black sea and go all the way to Odessa, it itself is a big ask, as long as Kyiv didn't fall, Ukraine is ALWAYS going to be anti-Russia from now on, I mean do you think Ukraine would be able to forget all this and re-embrace Russia as partner? This is not going to happen in this decade, or next, or most likely next millennium, so essentially, as long as Kyiv stay where it is, Russia had lost any chance of a buffer state instead of gaining a very hostile (Russian word not mine) neighbor which is now armed to the teeth. Then on top of that, being surrounded by NATO from all 4 side.

This is how this is going to play from now on.

 

[Meengla]

It depends, if China only take advantage of Russia and not step into that pile of mess they created and stay out with an arm length, then I would say both India and China is clear winner in this because of the resource.
But if China starts helping Russia to shoulder that burden, then China may as well dump their money in a campfire pits. it basically taking over a country's entire operation, that was not Chinese, and none of the advantage is going to the Chinese. On the other hand, if China don't help Russia the way they wanted, how long would Russia be warming up to the Chinese?
On the other hand, there are virtually no chance for the Russian to "grab" land East of Dnieper, Russian wasn't forced out by the Ukrainian by force or military operation, they left because their position was untenable, this has not change since Nov last year and probably will not change until Russia reinvent and reform their armed force, they can't do it when this war is ongoing.

@zhxy has given a good response.
My own: There is certainly some tacit understanding between the two Superpowers: America and China about the extent to which China is allowed to help Russia. I think both are watching very carefully how the war is going on and currently both are sitting pretty and safe and are the beneficiaries of this war. Americans have the power to sanctions China which would really hurt China--but would also hurt Americans. But there is no urgent need for either America or China to be too much against each other about the Russia-Ukraine war. As I said, both are the biggest beneficiaries of this war so far. As they say in America: Why fix when it ain't broken?

BUT... in the unlikely case of a Russia capitulation--China is not going to sit idle and will jump in. The cost will be high for China--probably higher than for Americans--and that's why China is VERY actively building alliances and alternate currencies in the Middle East, Latin America and elsewhere. It is a numbers game and race against time for China.

 

[Dalit]

lol, I would just ignore him. I mean you can't fix crazies

Of course. We should opt your line of thinking.

LOL Talking about crazies. Look at this guy:

Ukraine war: Bakhmut 'not occupied' by Russia, says defiant Zelensky

Russia's Wagner group claims to have taken full control of the city after a bloody months-long battle.

www.bbc.com

This Zelensky sounds like he is a close cousin of @Foinikas Always in denial and living in another dimension.