Breaking: Bakhmut has been liberated to be called Artemovsk

[jhungary]

@zhxy has given a good response.
My own: There is certainly some tacit understanding between the two Superpowers: America and China about the extent to which China is allowed to help Russia. I think both are watching very carefully how the war is going on and currently both are sitting pretty and safe and are the beneficiaries of this war. Americans have the power to sanctions China which would really hurt China--but would also hurt Americans. But there is no urgent need for either America or China to be too much against each other about the Russia-Ukraine war. As I said, both are the biggest beneficiaries of this war so far. As they say in America: Why fix when it ain't broken?

BUT... in the unlikely case of a Russia capitulation--China is not going to sit idle and will jump in. The cost will be high for China--probably higher than for Americans--and that's why China is VERY actively building alliances and alternate currencies in the Middle East, Latin America and elsewhere. It is a numbers game and race against time for China.

well, that's where you were wrong,

Most support on Ukriane is not made by US, most of them are from Europe. As I said before (not sure if that was to you or someone else) US wouldn't care about this war much if it was not the international pressure. Yes, they do give the most because they have a lot of stuff to pass around. But if you look at the percentage of European aid in this war, Britain gave 11% of their MLRS launcher (4 out of 44), 75% of their NLAW. (Somewhere about 5000 out of 7500 they had) 4% of their MBT (14/386) If US follow this percentage, then Ukraine would have 45 HIMARS (45/480-500) some 40000 Javelin and about 200 M1 Abrams (200/8500). Which you can see how deep EU is cutting themselves to maintain the old world order.

The cost for China to step in this would be sky high because if they do, they won't just lose the US Market, but the colective EU too, which is as big as the US market. On the other hand, they would have to pitch into a war that they have no horse in it, unless Russia is going to offer China part of Ukraine if China direct help, which most likely would ended up WW3 by the way, if that do happen. There are absolutely no gain on the Chinese part to offset this drawback.

I mean, say what you will, China is anything you can call him, but they are also good businessman, they won't jump in unless there is a clear advantage on it. And if the Chinese decided to jump into this mess, I don't see anything good this will come about for them.

Of course. We should opt your line of thinking.

LOL Talking about crazies. Look at this guy:

Ukraine war: Bakhmut 'not occupied' by Russia, says defiant Zelensky

Russia's Wagner group claims to have taken full control of the city after a bloody months-long battle.

www.bbc.com

This Zelensky sounds like he is a close cousin of @Foinikas Always in denial and living in another dimension.

Dude, I said Bakhmut should fall back in April 9, and I have made numerous post about holding bakhmut is a mistake is something I would not do.

So, please do tell me who are crazy?

The final prediction I made is Ukraine is going to be able to hold on to T-0504 anywhere form 2 weeks to 2 months and hold on the Bakhmut until said road was cut, I made that post on Feb 9, and today is March 12. You be the judge on that one.

 

[LeGenD]

Russia to Ukraine in Bakhmut:

 

[F-22Raptor]

Russia to Ukraine in Bahkmut:

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You realize Bakhmut was a fixing operation of Russian forces right? The goal was to destroy as many Russian forces as possible. Russian offensive capacity has been effectively destroyed.

Ukraine has held back 20+ brigades and Western armor. None of that was sent to Bakhmut

 

[jamahir]

You realize Bakhmut was a fixing operation of Russian forces right? The goal was to destroy as many Russian forces as possible. Russian offensive capacity has been effectively destroyed.

Ukraine has held back 20+ brigades and Western armor. None of that was sent to Bakhmut

And how many UkroNazis and forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers died in Bakhmut ( now liberated and called Artemovsk ) ? None ?

 

[F-22Raptor]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1653169427691585541

Russian offensive capacity has been annihilated.

 

[LeGenD]

And how many UkroNazis and forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers died in Bakhmut ( now liberated and called Artemovsk ) ? None ?

Dear, do not disrespect soldiers.

Ukrainian soldiers have shown more spine than many of the cowards out there.

Whether you agree with Ukrainian position or not is a different matter. But soldiers will fight and die for their country.

 

[Abid123]

You realize Bakhmut was a fixing operation of Russian forces right? The goal was to destroy as many Russian forces as possible. Russian offensive capacity has been effectively destroyed.

Ukraine has held back 20+ brigades and Western armor. None of that was sent to Bakhmut

 

[Dalit]

And how many UkroNazis and forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers died in Bakhmut ( now liberated and called Artemovsk ) ? None ?

It is time to absolutely smash Ukraine. Russians should move on. They have the momentum.

 

[jamahir]

Dear, do not disrespect soldiers.

Ukrainian soldiers have shown more spine than many of the cowards out there.

Whether you agree with Ukrainian position or not is a different matter. But soldiers will fight and die for their country.

1. I used "Forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers" because I empathize with that category. Abducted off roads near their houses, bundled into hasty training camps and if any complain then they are not heard of again.

2. But the committed Ukro ones are Nazis of course. You should know what they did since 2014 and what they did in World War 2. I will post an article as thread tomorrow. Please see to it that it is not deleted for being graphic. It is like Gujarat 2002.

It is time to absolutely smash Ukraine. Russians should move on. They have the momentum.

Actually the Russians are being careful and kind. They haven't bombarded cities and power stations when they easily could have. When they take over cities they supply food, water, medicine and other things to the citizens there including non-Russians. What you say about "Smash", yes, the Russians should do but only against Zelensky's palace and his command centers.

 

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combat footage pls, thanks.

 

[Dalit]

1. I used "Forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers" because I empathize with that category. Abducted off roads near their houses, bundled into hasty training camps and if any complain then they are not heard of again.

2. But the committed Ukro ones are Nazis of course. You should know what they did since 2014 and what they did in World War 2. I will post an article as thread tomorrow. Please see to it that it is not deleted for being graphic. It is like Gujarat 2002.



Actually the Russians are being careful and kind. They haven't bombarded cities and power stations when they easily could have. When they take over cities they supply food, water, medicine and other things to the citizens there including non-Russians. What you say about "Smash", yes, the Russians should do but only against Zelensky's palace and his command centers.

What I am trying to say is that there shouldn't be a pause. The Russians should march on to the next target. The fall of Bakhmut is morale boost for Russia. The Ukrainians are subdued and so are their supporters.

 

[aziqbal]

 

[aziqbal]

NATO trolls will claim the counter offensive is coming and they will take back what has been lost very soon

meanwhile Russia is marching towards Kramatorsk and Sloviansk and has killed many Israeli Mercenaries fighting on the Ukrainian side

https://twitter.com/x/status/1649671061670174722

 

[LeGenD]

1. I used "Forcibly conscripted Ukro soldiers" because I empathize with that category. Abducted off roads near their houses, bundled into hasty training camps and if any complain then they are not heard of again.

2. But the committed Ukro ones are Nazis of course. You should know what they did since 2014 and what they did in World War 2. I will post an article as thread tomorrow. Please see to it that it is not deleted for being graphic. It is like Gujarat 2002.

In case of war, a country can shift from volunteer model of recruitment to conscript model of recruitment if necessary.

A Rare Look At Ukraine's Casualties — And The New Drive To Replenish Its Ranks

For a long time, Kyiv didn’t have to resort to mass conscription, because so many people were enlisting. But as the war drags on, and casualties continue, Ukrainian recruitment becomes an urgent necessity. From the capital to the frontline of Bakhmut, Die Welt traces the current state of Kyiv's...

worldcrunch.com

This war has stress-tested both countries in the manner not seen since World War 2.

Neo-nazi is a meaningless obsession. Russian armed forces also have neo-nazi in their ranks. I do not deny that the war is brutal, and Ukrainian armed forces will not show mercy to the "traitors" on their side. This is how things are.

 

[Dalit]

Congrats to Russia. Next target please.