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Breaking: Bakhmut has been liberated to be called Artemovsk

well, that's where you were wrong,

Most support on Ukriane is not made by US, most of them are from Europe. As I said before (not sure if that was to you or someone else) US wouldn't care about this war much if it was not the international pressure. Yes, they do give the most because they have a lot of stuff to pass around.

Nah.
Like @Foinikas , I am mostly neutral about this war. My only goal is to see the Neo Cons in Washington humbled and neutralized because I see them as THE greatest threat to humanity and Americans themselves. There are many Americans who think like me and their numbers are growing, thanks to the folly of the Iraq War 2003.
The moment America decides to pull out from this war WILL be the moment the war ends. All of Europeans or Aussies jumping up and down blah blah blah better be prepared for if and when that day happens and pre-plan your 'coping mechanism' or 'face savings'.

In case of war, a country can shift from volunteer model of recruitment to conscript model of recruitment if necessary.

It is true that Russia can mobilize tens of millions more and even if Russia has to pullback its resources in places like in Syria etc, Russia will do that. Putin can't afford to be seen as having lost this war. A Biden in America can be seen to be 'humbled' by the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle in 2021 as was the American humiliated withdrawal from Saigon. But America is a mature democracy. Russia is an autocracy. Once you realize this key difference then you'd realize that Putin will never lose this war as long as he's alive and is the leader of Russia. He'd go to ANY extent to 'win'.
 
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Nah.
Like @Foinikas , I am mostly neutral about this war. My only goal is to see the Neo Cons in Washington humbled and neutralized because I see them as THE greatest threat to humanity and Americans themselves. There are many Americans who think like me and their numbers are growing, thanks to the folly of the Iraq War 2003.
The moment America decides to pull out from this war WILL be the moment the war ends. All of Europeans or Aussies jumping up and down blah blah blah better be prepared for if and when that day happens and pre-plan your 'coping mechanism' or 'face savings'.

It is true that Russia can mobilize tens of millions more and even if Russia has to pullback its resources in places like in Syria etc, Russia will do that. Putin can't afford to be seen as having lost this war. A Biden in America can be seen to be 'humbled' by the Afghanistan withdrawal debacle in 2021 as was the American humiliated withdrawal from Saigon. But America is a mature democracy. Russia is an autocracy. Once you realize this key difference then you'd realize that Putin will never lose this war as long as he's alive and is the leader of Russia. He'd go to ANY extent to 'win'.

First of all, I don't really care what your stand on this war, that's personal feeling, and I am not your therapist, hence I don't really care how you feel just about anything.

As I said, you are reading this war wrong. US is not the party of interest of this war, so, no, even if US withdraw their support, this war will NOT end, because EU would keep their support. EU, not US have the biggest pot in this game. They are the one that have EVERYTHING to lose if they can't keep it in Ukraine, because the alternative is the European would have to deal with the Russian themselves, ask any European, they would want to pay an eye and a leg to keep this war in Ukraine.

Set aside the European is willing to freeze themselves during last winter to cut off Russian gas and oil. If that didn't tell you how far they will go to keep this outside their circle. Then try this for a size.

UK is the first country to send in Anti-Tank missile, with the first batch of NLAW sent in even before the war begin on jan 19 and lead the effort for 5000 NLAW on Feb 24, followed by Biden announcement of Javelin on Feb 25.

France is the first one to send in Self Propelled Artillery Caesar on April 22, 2022, followed by UK AS-90 on April 24, and Belgium sending M-109 at the same date, and Poland on Krab sometime in November and finally US to send M109A6 in Jan 2023

M777 was jointly sent by the UK, Canada, Australia and US on April 22

French is the first to offer Ukraine Light Tank/IFV with AMX-30 in Jan 2023, then Germany and Sweden offered Maruda and CV-90, then US offered Bradley.

UK is the first to offer tank to Ukraine with 14 Challenger 2 sent on Jan 14, followed by Germany and US jointly agreed to send Abrams and Leo 2

UK is the fonly one to send Western Helicopter with 3 Westland Seaking sent to Ukraine on Nov 2022.

Germany is the first to send IRIS-T SAM to Ukraine in Oct 2022, followed by Norway/US NASAM in Nov 2022, followed by Patriot from US and Germany in 2023.

UK is the only country to send cruise missile with storm shadow.

Really the only thing US ever take initiative in this war is to send HIMARS to Ukraine before UK and Germany send their MLRS. But that could also be overshadowed by Greece and Bulgaria sending their BM-21 to Ukraine back in April 2022.

So bascially, if Russia win in Ukraine, that would spell trouble in epic proportion in Europe, so even if US ceased to support Ukraine, which in itself has very low chance, Europe by itself will see it to support Ukraine to keep it enough with the fighting contained in Ukraine, because the alternative for the European is to spend multiple fold of money and manpower and prepare for war.

And that is as far as I concern what you get wrong.
 
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well, that's where you were wrong,

Most support on Ukriane is not made by US, most of them are from Europe. As I said before (not sure if that was to you or someone else) US wouldn't care about this war much if it was not the international pressure. Yes, they do give the most because they have a lot of stuff to pass around. But if you look at the percentage of European aid in this war, Britain gave 11% of their MLRS launcher (4 out of 44), 75% of their NLAW. (Somewhere about 5000 out of 7500 they had) 4% of their MBT (14/386) If US follow this percentage, then Ukraine would have 45 HIMARS (45/480-500) some 40000 Javelin and about 200 M1 Abrams (200/8500). Which you can see how deep EU is cutting themselves to maintain the old world order.

The cost for China to step in this would be sky high because if they do, they won't just lose the US Market, but the colective EU too, which is as big as the US market. On the other hand, they would have to pitch into a war that they have no horse in it, unless Russia is going to offer China part of Ukraine if China direct help, which most likely would ended up WW3 by the way, if that do happen. There are absolutely no gain on the Chinese part to offset this drawback.

I mean, say what you will, China is anything you can call him, but they are also good businessman, they won't jump in unless there is a clear advantage on it. And if the Chinese decided to jump into this mess, I don't see anything good this will come about for them.


Dude, I said Bakhmut should fall back in April 9, and I have made numerous post about holding bakhmut is a mistake is something I would not do.

So, please do tell me who are crazy?
The way things are heading China is going to lose the US and European Markets if NATO win in Ukraine. It would be just wishful thinking by the Chinese if they think the economic war isn't going to escalate and get worse for China. We are a few statements away from WW3 only a matter of time. Lots of money to be made in war and that's all the NEOCONs know and care about.
 
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The way things are heading China is going to lose the US and European Markets if NATO win in Ukraine. It would be just wishful thinking by the Chinese if they think the economic war isn't going to escalate and get worse for China. We are a few statements away from WW3 only a matter of time. Lots of money to be made in war and that's all the NEOCONs know and care about.

China is preparing. The US and NATO have been unwillingly caught up in Ukraine. The way the US and European countries were spreading propaganda against China before the Ukraine war began is no secret to anyone. Obviously China is the next target for the Western bloc. The Ukraine war is actually a blessing for China. China is preparing for the worst case scenario. The Ukraine war has brought China and Russia together. Make no mistake. China and Russia will face off the Western powers. That has these Western powers in a bind.
 
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Umm why are the Isrealis fighting for Ukraine?


because they like to steal everyones land and money when and where they can

now lets see what US does, if they send F16 and escalate this then Russian will come into a direct confrontation with West risking nuclear escalation

Creepy Joe Biden is sleeping and doesnt even have a clue where the War is
 
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People are talking as if there's still a city called Bakhmut when it's just a bunch of ruins like Marinka.
 
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