Brave victim of grooming gangs tells story of brutal rape and abuse by 70 men - but only two -

[khansaheeb]

Wikipedia:

Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin for "you also") or the appeal to hypocrisy is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by asserting the opponent's failure to act consistently in accordance with its conclusion(s).

Tu quoque "argument" follows the pattern:[2]

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B asserts that A's actions or past claims are inconsistent with the truth of claim X.
3. Therefore, X is false.

An example would be
Peter: "Person A is guilty of defrauding the government out of tax dollars."
Bill: "How can you say that when you yourself have 20 outstanding parking tickets?"
It is a fallacy because the moral character or actions of the opponent are generally irrelevant to the logic of the argument.[3] It is often used as a red herring tactic and is a special case of the ad hominem fallacy, which is a category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of facts about the person presenting or supporting the claim or argument.[4]

Example: In the trial of Nazi criminal Klaus Barbie, the controversial lawyer Jacques Vergès tried to present what was defined as a Tu Quoque Defence—i.e., that during the Algerian War, French officers such as General Jacques Massu had committed war crimes similar to those with which Barbie was being charged, and therefore the French state had no moral right to try Barbie. This defense was rejected by the court, which convicted Barbie.[5]

Sexually abusing young girls is not a ‘British value’.

How do you know, have you lived with them?

Ok define what you mean by value.

 

[Thorough Pro]

@Solomon2

Criminals Vs. the religious ............ not the Muslims
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/14/us/pennsylvania-child-abuse-catholic-church.html

 

[khansaheeb]

That's a lot of hate in one post. Wouldn't it be better to have empathy and respect for people, we're all supposed to be equal.

Unfortunately truth hurts. Having been brought up in the UK and lived with these promiscuous people and been circled by these type of people I can honestly tell you it's bad. It must be a British value because they all do it and Israel is probably no better, here are some examples (the list is endless):-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...years-for-sex-attacks-on-four-female-patients


https://www.complex.com/life/2018/0...nced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-modern-slavery


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-school-jailed-for-17-years-for-raping-pupil




https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43006151


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/68742...school-sex-offenders-open-prison-across-road/


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-policeman-jailed-rape-child-4856117


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ties-accused-failing-tackle-sexual-misconduct


https://timetostartcaring.com/british-politics-a-list-of-mps-convicted-of-sex-offences/


https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/03/woman-spared-jail-for-sex-attack-on-man-at-mcdonalds-7200203/

So if the accused is an Indian, it is a rape but if it's a Pakistani, the girl twisted her version to make the Pak community look bad. Wow! what a logic

You Indian guys are caught in the act, these Pakistanis guys have allegation based against them on events that occurred years ago and it becomes a word of one promiscuous girl against other men, and of course the judge always finds the non-white guilty when it becomes a white person against minority case.

 

[Papa Dragon]

Unfortunately truth hurts. Having been brought up in the UK and lived with these promiscuous people and been circled by these type of people I can honestly tell you it's bad. It must be a British value because they all do it and Israel is probably no better, here are some examples (the list is endless):-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...years-for-sex-attacks-on-four-female-patients


https://www.complex.com/life/2018/0...nced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-modern-slavery


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-school-jailed-for-17-years-for-raping-pupil




https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-43006151


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/68742...school-sex-offenders-open-prison-across-road/


https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/paedophile-policeman-jailed-rape-child-4856117


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...ties-accused-failing-tackle-sexual-misconduct


https://timetostartcaring.com/british-politics-a-list-of-mps-convicted-of-sex-offences/


https://metro.co.uk/2018/01/03/woman-spared-jail-for-sex-attack-on-man-at-mcdonalds-7200203/



You Indian guys are caught in the act, these Pakistanis guys have allegation based against them on events that occurred years ago and it becomes a word of one promiscuous girl against other men, and of course the judge always finds the non-white guilty when it becomes a white person against minority case.

I'm not denying the fact that Western men aren't sex offenders and it's an obvious fact that if a brown guy commits a crime, he's labeled as a terrorist while white guys are labeled as mentally disabled in the same scenario.

But the way you're protecting these accused pakistani men just because they're of your origin and the victim is white is pathetic and bringing up India into this context with a crappy logic is hilarious

 

[khansaheeb]

I'm not denying the fact that Western men aren't sex offenders and it's an obvious fact that if a brown guy commits a crime, he's labeled as a terrorist while white guys are labeled as mentally disabled in the same scenario.

But the way you're protecting these accused Pakistani men just because they're of your origin and the victim is white is pathetic and bringing up India into this context with a crappy logic is hilarious

You are viewing my position in a typically Indian perverse way. All I am saying is that woman was no angel. They enjoy themselves with alcohol, sex and drugs and when they get dumped they hold a grudge and then complain to the police when their ex-partner finds someone permanent. Seen it so many times in the UK. I used to get approached by these type of girls who just wanted fun and wanted to be bad. I used say to them f*ck off. It was nothing to do with race and everyone was at it. Youngsters hyped on peak hormones were totally out of control, the urge to breed beat all commonsense and logic. These kids stuck in inner city boredoms or middle class cemetry type quite areas totally freaked out to enjoy themselves. Asians, blacks, whites were all engaged in this type of activity and still do. Majority keep quite because they enjoyed themselves others have regrets or complaints and wait for an opportunistic moment to complain.

 

[khansaheeb]

That's a lot of hate in one post. Wouldn't it be better to have empathy and respect for people, we're all supposed to be equal.

Hey, do you know what hate is? What I call hate is colonialists wiping out indigenous people and making them a minority in their own country.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

100 lashes for Muslims please

Masala thread.

 

[Solomon2]

But the way you're protecting these accused pakistani men just because they're of your origin and the victim is white is pathetic and bringing up India into this context with a crappy logic is hilarious

Agreed. Is it the culture abusing the religion? One of the kindest men I ever met - I saw him comforting and counseling an agonized prostitute once - is a Berber Muslim from Morocco.

 

[nahtanbob]

Unfortunately truth hurts. Having been brought up in the UK and lived with these promiscuous people and been circled by these type of people I can honestly tell you it's bad. It must be a British value because they all do it and Israel is probably no better, here are some examples (the list is endless):-

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Savile_sexual_abuse_scandal

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...years-for-sex-attacks-on-four-female-patients


https://www.complex.com/life/2018/0...nced-to-14-years-in-prison-for-modern-slavery


https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...e-school-jailed-for-17-years-for-raping-pupil

If you think these are British values and you do not agree with them please do not immigrate to such countries

 

[khansaheeb]

If you think these are British values and you do not agree with them please do not immigrate to such countries

What a cheap typically arrogant and ignorant colonialist reply coming from a person who wouldn't be in the USA if your parents used the same argument as you.

Any way back to the issue, what is your understanding of "values"? It is obvious your vocab is poor otherwise you would have agreed with me.

 

[nahtanbob]

What a cheap typically arrogant and ignorant colonialist reply coming from a person who wouldn't be in the USA if your parents used the same argument as you.

Any way back to the issue, what is your understanding of "values"? It is obvious your vocab is poor otherwise you would have agreed with me.

you cannot immigrate to a foreign country and bitch about values. you can whine about economic situation in Pakistan. people are not starving in a famine in Pakistan.

do you have collect rape and other statistics on crimes against women in pakistan ? Or are you claiming such crimes do not happen ?

this is from pakistan government website
http://www.pbs.gov.pk/sites/default/files//tables/19.3.pdf

i see a row on cattle theft - none for rape.

 

[Thorough Pro]

Congratulations @Solomon2 for appointing a rapist to the US supreme court after electing a pussy grabber for the white house ... please continue your rant about victims of sexual assault

Brave victim of grooming gangs tells story of brutal rape and abuse by 70 men - but only two are jailed

 

[MultaniGuy]

Congratulations @Solomon2 for appointing a rapist to the US supreme court after electing a pussy grabber for the white house ... please continue your rant about victims of sexual assault

@Solomon2 is a another hypocrite. He always post anti-Pakistani stuff on this forum.

Whenever Muslims fight for their rights, @Solomon2 stays quiet.

By the way those British Muslims are not Pakistanis.

They are British subjects. Pakistanis culture is way more conservative than Britain is.

Anyways if those Muslims in Britain did Haraam things they are not following their religion.

 

[nahtanbob]

Congratulations @Solomon2 for appointing a rapist to the US supreme court after electing a pussy grabber for the white house ... please continue your rant about victims of sexual assault

there is no evidence Kavanaugh is the culprit. you cannot prove something happened 35 years ago without any evidence

 

[MultaniGuy]

Sexually abusing young girls is not a ‘British value’.

Why are you defending @Solomon2, He is another hypocrite who posts Anti-Pakistani and Anti-Muslim stuff.

@Solomon2 always tries his best to defame Muslims and Pakistanis.