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[Tornado23]

Why do Pakistanis bring nuclear weapons in every discussion related to hypothetical conflicts? No one will use it even if wants to.

Because it will ultimately lead the use pf nukes regardless pf which side is winning or losing

 

[SIPRA]

Why do Pakistanis bring nuclear weapons in every discussion related to hypothetical conflicts? No one will use it even if wants to.

To shit scare you Hindutvadi lot.

 

[Black Tornado]

To shit scare you Hindutvadi lot.

Humne to Diwali ke liye rakhe hai na

 

[White and Green with M/S]

Humne to Diwali ke liye rakhe hai na

Superpower oh sorry hyperpower India, hahaha

 

[SIPRA]

Humne to Diwali ke liye rakhe hai na

You can also scare us. No problem.

 

[peagle]

Why do Pakistanis bring nuclear weapons in every discussion related to hypothetical conflicts? No one will use it even if wants to.

Every conversation I've had regarding this topic has been started by Indians, they have pre formed stupid arguments ready to share with the world, especially Pakistanis.
This is the first time I've taken the effort to instigate a reply on this topic, because the conversation was extremely stupid.


Just to push your point, if you believe that nuclear weapons are so irrelevant, why did you develop them? Why are you continuously building them? Why?

Why do your political and military leaders make statements threatening the use of nuclear bombs, and yet you point fingers at Pakistan, none of the Pakistani main leaders and military personals threaten the use of nuclear bombs.
Why the hypocrisy?

Why do you guys always like to play the victim card, pretend to be the peaceniks, whereas all you have done is spread conflict in the region.


It begs the question, why are you guys so obsessed with Pakistan?
It is extremely unhealthy.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Here is the thing though, no one can be sure what the yield of Pakistan's nukes are

Here is the biggest thing : Even Pakistani establishment and scientists cann't be sure of the yield if they have not tested the design.

I am not sure where you're getting that Pakistan does not has enough delivery platforms because Pakistan's platforms are dispersed throughout the country.

No non-superpower country and especially Pakistan can produce 100s of long range missiles to deliver these warheads. This is especially true when Pakistan has not operationalised a MIRV with 10 or so bombs nor any such missiles on SSBNs.

The reason why China's nuclear warheads are growing is because it is operationalising MIRV missiles on land and on the sea. These missiles DF-41 and JL-3 carry upto 10 warheads a piece and can quickly increase the number of warheads available in a deliverable status and hence a strategic force.

Compared to this, Pakistan has twice the task to ensure a real strategic force. One is to operationalise platforms with large MIRVs (7-10 warheads) and to cover a much larger enemy.

Clearly, Pakistan hasn't shown an inclination to do so otherwise we will be seeing large MIRV missiles and third leg of the nuclear triad. Instead we have seen an operationalisation of likes Nasr which are actually battle field systems. Tells us what warplanners think about Pakistan's nuclear force: Its a tactical first force and for obvious reason.

IF is the key word. Both sides monitor each other's nukes very closely and majority of Pakistan's nukes are stored and designed to survive the first strike.

They may very well survive first strike but first strike will ensure warplanes will not be available anymore. That will take out one major leg of Pakistan's nuclear force. Given that Pakistan does not have a carrier, only other platform will be land based ballistic missiles.

Lastly, Pakistan does not have monitoring capabilities of India which operates its own satellite fleet. Pakistan is heavily dependent upon China and perhaps USA. Both can prove to be unreliable. Infact, it will be in China's interest if a nuclear war happens between India and Pakistan. It will ensure that India is weakened enough to cease to be a threat to itself and will be more amenable to unequal treaties.

Also because Pakistan wanted to lower the tension. There was consensus on both military political circles to ease the tensions and return the pilot.

Why will Pakistan want to lower the tension? India had just invaded Pakistan. It was a fitting chance to beat an incompetent enemy and make political situation less stable in India. There was clearly foreign pressures guiding decisions. US / Republicans did not want Modi to lose face so fast. He has consistently served their economic interests by introducing market reforms in India.

 

[KrimesKaster]

Every nations administrative structures are in urban areas, and they tend be centred in a small area. A bomb will destroy almost all administrative structures in a city, multiply that and you have a nation with no governing structures intact, without the means to deliver or organise anything.

Surely, India's top level government will survive.

In india, the administrative structure is totally worthless and thats the reason why most of the India works in a very ad-hoc and corrupt fashion. While in west, we go for formal judiciary, economy, employment, education, infrastructure, healthcare etc, in India, everything is adhoc. Their majority prefers intervention of elders and kangaroo courts than judiciary. Their majority can only afford quacks than real doctors. Their majority believes in mob policing than proper formal cops -- heck they have very few cops per 1000 people. Their economy is mostly informal and based on cash. Education is also highly privatized in the hands of private schools and government schools are disfunctional. Electricity is unreliable. They still use fuels like wood/cow-dung a LOT.

At worst, they will loose their transport infra and will have to resort to ancient ones -- like they did in their lockdown period.

Over a period of 1 year or so they will be able to get most of the rudimentry administration back.

India is a living chaos. Its pretty hard to kill a living chaos like India. Its pathetic but it survives anything you throw at it.

Then there is damage to the water supplies,
damage to agriculture and the eco-system,
long term cost to the people who survive the nuclear explosions,
long term effects from the radiation cloud and effects of radiation on agricultural productivity.
The disruption to the economic supply system,

None of these things cause instant or even near term death. At worst it makes your life shorter. Instead of typical 60 years of life expectency, people in India will have to make do with 40 years for sometime. Actually, I am not sure even it will go down. Radiation looks a hell lot scary than it really is.

Secondly most of India is still very informal and adhoc in its living and infra. They do not depend upon modern and more centralized infra as much as say americans do. A week of failure of electric system will make USA cities buckle, while in India it will be another summer.

 

[arjunk]

No non-superpower country and especially Pakistan can produce 100s of long range missiles to deliver these warheads. This is especially true when Pakistan has not operationalised a MIRV with 10 or so bombs nor any such missiles on SSBNs.

In 2017 Pakistan had around 75 MRBM launchers. Assuming they're 2 missiles per launcher, that's 150 missiles which was enough to deliver the entire nuclear arsenal of Pakistan at the time.

 

[Reichsmarschall]

In 2017 Pakistan had around 75 MRBM launchers

Can you please share source?

 

[KrimesKaster]

In 2017 Pakistan had around 75 MRBM launchers

Source?

 

[arjunk]

Can you please share source?

Source?

https://www.nasic.af.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=F2VLcKSmCTE%3d&portalid=19

Note that India has fewer than 10 Agni II/III launchers

 

[KrimesKaster]

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https://www.nasic.af.mil/LinkClick.aspx?fileticket=F2VLcKSmCTE%3d&portalid=19

Thats "fewer than 50". Its not 75. Besides, Ghauri is liquid fueled. Pretty useless in a retaliation scenario, takes a long time to ready it.

 

[arjunk]

Thats "fewer than 50". Its not 75. Besides, Ghauri is liquid fueled. Pretty useless in a retaliation scenario, takes a long time to ready it.

75 is a decent estimate based off 2 x "Fewer than 50."

 

[RangeMaster]

India is a living chaos. Its pretty hard to kill a living chaos like India. Its pathetic but it survives anything you throw at it.

200+ nukes delivered at 200 strategically identified sites will make sure India eats dirt for the next 1000 years or so.
You are talking about India but forget Pakistanis are the same, in fact after multiple bankruptcies, 2 decades of terrorism, half a dozen wars with an enemy 7 times bigger, Pakistan is still there.

The survival you are talking about is worse than death. Even Japan took decades reviving back after 2 nukes hit them. You are not Japan.
People like you will make sure Indian demise comes early.

It'll be in China's interest if a nuclear war happens between India and Pakistan. It will ensure that India is weakened enough

Yes obviously China would love 400+ nukes exchange right at its borders.