Brahmins Fought for Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala

[Hyde]

Two versions of one story?? How is that not surprising at all?? Who decides what version of the story really happened?? People will understand what they are willing to. Saving of Islam was probably the most significant thing that happened on that day. So say most of us that are not shia's.

agreed ......................

 

[TechLahore]

Who in the world told you this?

Bibi Sheherbano was a Persian princess, the sister of Hazrat Sheheryar, the ruler of Iran. She had nothing at all to do with Hinduism.

 

[TechLahore]

wrong - He was martyed in fighting (i think the last man left except Hazrat Imam Zain-ul-Abideen)

You are talking about Hazrat Ali RA i think (or could be Hazrat Umar R.A.)

Imam Husain was martyred while in Sajda.

Hazrat Ali was martyred the same way.

Early muslim history, of course, is not entirely "provable", because the Ummayad Kings that took over after Karbala rewrote history to their liking.

 

[Hyde]

i heard about Jats in Arabia ,but never heard about bhramins

I don't know why Indians are trying to link Hindu's peoples with Islamic history

What do they really want to prove?

 

[Hyde]

Imam Husain was martyred while in Sajda.

Hazrat Ali was martyred the same way.

Early muslim history, of course, is not entirely "provable", because the Ummayad Kings that took over after Karbala rewrote history to their liking.

and who wrote this version of history? Like i said there are different versions of stories and we cannot say which is right or wrong

as far as i know he was the only man left (except Hazrat Imam Zayn-ul-Abideen) and he was prepared for the war by his sister and he killed dozens of Yazidi's before one of the stone had hit him on his face and then arrow was hit on his body after which he became very weak and the Yazidis gathered and martyred him mercilessly.

 

[TechLahore]

Brahmins Fought for Imam Hussain in the Battle of Karbala

It was not just Hindus, but also Christians who supported Imam Husain. John is one of the shuhada of Karbala. You only had to have the tiniest bit of morality and love of fairness, truth and justice to find yourself on the right side. The opposition at Karbala was perhaps the manifestation of the greatest evil mankind has brought forth.

There are Husaini Brahmins and Husaini Hindus too. There are many Ta'aziya and Alam processions taken out in India even today by Hindus. In Lucknow these processions are especially famous. In UP, at the Mazaar of a descendant of Imam Husain, Syed Salaar Masood Ghazi, to this day Hindus and followers of other religions come to pay homage.

Interestingly, there are also Qawwalis written by Hindus in honour of the Ahle-bait, especially Hazrat Ali. Since I am a big Qawwali fan, I have heard many of these... one which I happen to remember off the top of my head goes like this:

Ali ji, veer ho, balwaan ho, dharti pita tum ho
Jagat kay, eeshwar kay soorma tum ho
Anokhi tumhree leela hay koi kya jaanay kya tum ho
Kahien dharma tuma tum hu, kahien bharma tuma tum ho
Maula Ali maula...

Just goes to prove that Truth is respected by everyone, irrespective of religion, colour, caste or creed.

 

[Al-zakir]

What is this BS? Never heard of it. If it was true then it would have come up in Islamic history.

 

[TechLahore]

and who wrote this version of history? Like i said there are different versions of stories and we cannot say which is right or wrong

I don't want to argue this with you because it does not make a material difference in my opinion. The macro point is that Husain represents purety and the highest state of human evolution, while Yazid ibne Muawiya represents degeneration and sub-human f ilth.

As recently as the Zia years things were changed and modified... for some reason there is a great deal of discomfort concerning this part of muslim history... books suddenly started appearing in the eighties that claimed that Hazrat Ali was not born inside the Ka'aba, even though this is one of the most verifiable traditions dating to the early days of Islam. Heck, even the 'naara' of the SSG was changed... it used to be Ya Ali.

But that was the insidious Zia for you....

 

[TechLahore]

That if some how Islam recognized Hinduism as religion.

Islam does recognize Hinduism as a religion. Consider that of over a hundred thousand Prophets that were sent to the world by Allah, not all of them landed in Arabia. They were messengers for all man kind. Why is it not possible that the earliest roots of Hinduism are in fact the message of one of these Prophets... like Christianity and Judaism, which are far more recent than Hinduism, the message has since been 'modified', which is why Rasool Allah was sent to re-establish the original tenets and complete the message.

You do know that Hinduism existed prior to the Aryan entry into the sub continent, prior to the establishment of Brahmins, castes and many of the more recent dieties. The original message of Hinduism - one that many modern Hindus also subscribe to - does refer to One Almighty God.

 

[Hyde]

I don't want to argue this with you because it does not make a material difference in my opinion. The macro point is that Husain represents purety and the highest state of human evolution, while Yazid ibne Muawiya represents degeneration and sub-human f ilth.

As recently as the Zia years things were changed and modified... for some reason there is a great deal of discomfort concerning this part of muslim history... books suddenly started appearing in the eighties that claimed that Hazrat Ali was not born inside the Ka'aba, even though this is one of the most verifiable traditions dating to the early days of Islam. Heck, even the 'naara' of the SSG was changed... it used to be Ya Ali.

But that was the insidious Zia for you....

You could be right but the opinion i mentioned before is widely accepted among Arabs, Africans and the European countries. It is possible that Zia distorted some of the history of Islam but that is not possible that he also distorted in other countries of the world and convinced the Majority of the scholars to believe in his version of the story.

Me too very tired talking about this issue so please close this useless thread (if possible)

 

[Hyde]

Islam does recognize Hinduism as a religion. Consider that of over a hundred thousand Prophets that were sent to the world by Allah, not all of them landed in Arabia. They were messengers for all man kind. Why is it not possible that the earliest roots of Hinduism are in fact the message of one of these Prophets... like Christianity and Judaism, which are far more recent than Hinduism, the message has since been 'modified', which is why Rasool Allah was sent to re-establish the original tenets and complete the message.

You do know that Hinduism existed prior to the Aryan entry into the sub continent, prior to the establishment of Brahmins, castes and many of the more recent dieties. The original message of Hinduism - one that many modern Hindus also subscribe to - does refer to One Almighty God.

True,

Allah SubhanWata'Allah says in the Holy Qur'an that Oh Muhammad (PBUH) there is no place on earth where we did not send messengers and some of the messengers we have told you and there are others we have not told you about. (something like that)

So that means there is no land in the world where the messengers did not the preach the message of Allah. There will be many messengers/prophets landed even in India as well

 

[makikirkiri]

. The original message of Hinduism - one that many modern Hindus also subscribe to - does refer to One Almighty God.

you need not be a modern hindu to know that god is one.You only need to be well versed in scripture.In hinduismit is said of god that:
"Anantham , Achintyam , Avyaktam Ekaha"
ie. God is Infinite , Incomprehensible , Inexpressible and is one.
Different dieties are only manifestations of his various aspects.Any person with even a basic knowledge of hinduism will tell you that God is one and by worshipping various dities he only worships various dimensions of the one god.

 

[ambidex]

There was no switch in human history were people were switched on and off from one faith to another. Every single conversion was earned by massive and long gestational periods of social transformations done under the flag of a political agenda with religious tone in past.
I am not going to debate whether Hindu fought any war in karbala or not. But i must mention that every religion has gone through an evolution in past due to very natural (slow) course of its spread by many means. The key word is transformation or conversion. Today we human are capable to transform clivilizations with faster speed, can practice our religious beliefs the way we want and have the capacity to endorse the same with more resources by means of information technology etc.
Islam or Hinduism or any other religion is more safer then ever before since human evolution one must understand this.

People debating to preserve contemporary textbook picture of Islam with the reference of history are not flexible enough to understand that there were many interesting phases reflecting the beautiful evolution of Islam. If we believe that the great man started every thing from scratch to help humanity then we must understand how humanity would have reacted for his cause.

Stories like Hindu supporting Muslims are not impossible. Most of the (not all) wars fought were political with religious tone. Even today we human beings have fought many wars since last century , can any one explain which war was religious recently?

We all want to glorify our present with same glorified past which is not logically correct. Our History was never glorifying cause our ancestors faced extreme difficulties to preserve and protect with all possible ways they can for us to claim what we all are today (hindu or muslim) .

Any history detailed today with very polished and packed way is not worth credible.

If Muslims today want to challenge such incident of Karbala then i may not be able to take that challenge.
But i have not hesitation (having the understanding of human psychology and evolution) to mark it on my mind's history book as a very interesting event representing how we all have gone through many transitional phases where at many diversions of historic dilemmas we were standing at the same road for one cause.

 

[SurvivoR]

The title and the post itself is nothing but utter blasphemy to the supreme sacrifice made by Imam Hussain r.a. and the ahl e bayt.

I believe this thread need to closed immediately and the poster banned. This is just going overboard!

God is ONE and Sent His Last Messenger to break all the idols and to turn people towards the TRUE LORD... and NOT to his supposed manifestations to be worshiped. Death to Idolatry just the way the Grand Father (Muhammad ur Rasoolullah s.a.w.) of Imam Hussain (r.a.) himself broke the idols in the Holy Kaaba.

 

[indushek]

If its true or not does it matter now. I can't understand the intention of this thread!!! and why the hell would such a thing occur???