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Kashmiri leaders such as Sheikh Abdullah also chose India. They sure are regretting it now.They choose India. That should give you the clue.
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Kashmiri leaders such as Sheikh Abdullah also chose India. They sure are regretting it now.They choose India. That should give you the clue.
Obama was a tool for optics, he didn’t and couldn’t do jack shit.Obama did that here. It’s entrapment basically
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I know, which is why I asked his personal opinion. Does he ( or YOU) believe that all Vietnamese and Brazilian and Chinese and Swedes deserve to be tortured for not belonging to your club? I know you believe that they will be, but my question is whether you think they ought to be. It is your own personal opinion that I am asking, so don't tell me that it doesn't matter and what matters is what your religion teaches you.What part of @Areesh 's statement was hard to understand?
That's just what our Book says and we believe in what our Book says.
I have seen my brain, and it is real. But belief in other worlds, is pure fantasy. I am not targeting Islam, but all organised religions.Have you seen your brain? Otherwise that is fantasy too.
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It's not for us to decide what happens to unbelievers. I don't know the philosophy behind Hindusim so that may be news to you but that's not how religion works.
In Islam, you only get born once. Life is a test. There are rules. Do's and dont's. In our eyes, not all the don'ts may necessarily be bad, nor all the do's good. But, that's what test is.
The above two lines are summary of Islam. That may help explain a Muslim's intransigence.
Do we wish for eternal torture on unbelievers? No. Do our wishes matter? No.
We are just out here looking to save our own a*s. Most of the time, we lose sight of that, but that is the end goal of everyone.
That is a ridiculous comparison because we have seen human and other animals' brains - plenty of them. It is not a stretch of imagination to believe that that poster has one as well. But nobody has seen a hell where unbelievers are sadistically tortued forever and forever by the most merciful god.Have you seen your brain? Otherwise that is fantasy too.
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Maybe, as black and white as it seems, our knowledge of the Day of Judgement is incomplete. Because when you think about it, why would a Just, Merciful Allah subject people to such torment. I know no human would. No even a stranger. And yet, he loves his creation 70 times more than a mother loves her child. So, there's some missing piece of the puzzle.
In short, this is the knowledge we have so far. Should we be in their face about it? No.
To each their own. I am not in favor of imposing my religion onto anyone not preventing anyone from leaving Islam (if they had such weak beliefs in the first place to think about leaving, it won't make a difference). I think that's acceptable for all but the most militant atheists.
I am not doing anyone any favors. I'd like for others what I like for myself.Congratulations, you are more moral, decent and honorable than what your book teaches you. I can see (As evidenced from your subsequent post) that you do not believe in your heart that the rest of us 7 billion people ought to be tortured for eternity. But you are bound to believe what the religion you were born into teaches you, unless you have the courage of conviction to rise above that.
Here the thing about that.I know, which is why I asked his personal opinion. Does he ( or YOU) believe that all Vietnamese and Brazilian and Chinese and Swedes deserve to be tortured for not belonging to your club? I know you believe that they will be, but my question is whether you think they ought to be. It is your own personal opinion that I am asking, so don't tell me that it doesn't matter and what matters is what your religion teaches you.
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And you shouldn't. Nobody should be put on a pedestal or considered infallible. Only religions and cults believe that their leader is above criticism, and always right. Gautama Buddha, the founder of Buddhism, taught his followers to question everything and everyone, including himself.BTW, Carlin was also a climate change denier. So, I don't really put him on a pedestal like most people.
But gravity is not unquestioned belief - it is borne out of experience. Humans, our pre-human ancestors, and even non human animals know what will happen if you jump from a building, because we have actually observed everything fall to the ground. It is observable, and has been observed since there was life intelligent enough to observe anything.It's unquestioned belief. Like if you jump from a building, you know what gravity will do. Can't change it.
I think @Areesh made it clear that he believes that non muslims deserve that punishment.So, to answer your question, niether me nor Areesh believe Brazilians, Vietnamese or Chinese (except those that ate bats and spread covid ) deserve that harsh a punishment.
But, then again, it's a test.
There's people who deny the earth is round. On the other hand, there's people will believe whatever came out of Stephen Hawking's mouth, unquestionably, not because they've verified it, but because they believe he won't lie.And you shouldn't. Nobody should be put on a pedestal or considered infallible. Only religions and cults believe that their leader is above criticism, and always right. Gautama Buddha, the founder of Buddhism, taught his followers to question everything and everyone, including himself.
But gravity is not unquestioned belief - it is borne out of experience. Humans, our pre-human ancestors, and even non human animals know what will happen if you jump from a building, because we have actually observed everything fall to the ground. It is observable, and has been observed since there was life intelligent enough to observe anything.
But heaven and hell haven't been observed, and are a matter of blind faith. It is unfortunate that some people choose to believe that anybody who isn't born in the right region will be tortured forever in an afterlife, and that they are deserving of it.
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Why should any belief be unquestionable?There's people who deny the earth is round. On the other hand, there's people will believe whatever came out of Stephen Hawking's mouth, unquestionably, not because they've verified it, but because they believe he won't lie.
So, it's not about what's in the realm of observation.
I merely meant to refer to unquestionable belief. Whether resulting from biased or unbaised observation, or from blind faith.
I knew it would boil down to this.Why should any belief be unquestionable?
There is a similar syncretic religion called Messianic Judaism that combines Judaism and Christianity. They are Jews who consider Jesus as the Messiah.
Nostalgia I believe it's a Eid mulad un nabi traditionLot of these are cultural remains of various narratives and preaching efforts that either were left halfway or were rolled back.
Plenty of them exist in Pakistan too except they are ignored thinking it actually is religious practice.
Ive seen processions of people carrying styrofoam models of Mecca and Medina going on GT road.. and the a strong gust came and suddenly Mecca was airborne and the procession leaders went chasing after it.