Bosnia war had nothing to do with Islam or any religion

[Flash_Ninja]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

Thats cultural, I dont wear a cap or have a beard, does that also mean that im not Muslim?

 

[Jf Thunder]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

because Bosniaks are intelligent
they shall not allow radical mullahs to pollute their society

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Host from deen show is bosnian

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

 

[hussain0216]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

What does it matter,, they have their own muslim culture
One of the flavours of the muslim world

Why are your panties in a twist?

 

[Wa Muhammada]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

Imaan is in the heart....not worn on your head or displayed on your beard

 

[Lincoln]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

The dumbest thing I have heard to date.

 

[jamal18]

I was in Bosnia for a while. For whatever reason, they had a very weak grip on Islam. Drinking was normal, as was eating pork. Prayer was unheard of, except for literally, old women.

This was while back, now I don't know.

 

[I S I]

And what a marvelous job the European powers and US did in keeping Bosniaks safe. That 'No Man's Land' movie character Frenchman Sgt. Marchand is very close to reality. Pakistan's role was irrelevant and useless.

@I S I @Ahmet Pasha @waz @Oscar @xyxmt @Imran Khan @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Max @Super Falcon

Stop tagging me for no reason.

 

[xyxmt]

I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal

there is no such thing as Muslim cap, now you are thinking about India. Bosnia war was in the early 90s right, back then you wouldn't see many Muslims with beard. I have been to Bosnian masjid in Toronto and its like any other masjid and I did not feel anything different.

And what a marvelous job the European powers and US did in keeping Bosniaks safe. That 'No Man's Land' movie character Frenchman Sgt. Marchand is very close to reality. Pakistan's role was irrelevant and useless.

@I S I @Ahmet Pasha @waz @Oscar @xyxmt @Imran Khan @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Max @Super Falcon

as close as Surgical Strike 2?
you are learning real life from Hollywood!!
you think all Hollywood movies about Iraq and Afghanistan were close to reality, so you think 6 men can kill 300 taliban even after they run out of ammo.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

there is no such thing as Muslim cap, now you are thinking about India. Bosnia war was in the early 90s right, back then you wouldn't see many Muslims with beard. I have been to Bosnian masjid in Toronto and its like any other masjid and I did not feel anything different.



as close as Surgical Strike 2?
you are learning real life from Hollywood!!
you think all Hollywood movies about Iraq and Afghanistan were close to reality, so you think 6 men can kill 300 taliban even after they run out of ammo.

'No Man's Land' is not a Hollywood (American) movie. It's a Bosniak movie. What's the Bosniak film industry called?

I was in Bosnia for a while. For whatever reason, they had a very weak grip on Islam. Drinking was normal, as was eating pork. Prayer was unheard of, except for literally, old women.

This was while back, now I don't know.

Can you share the year of your visit please?

 

[jamal18]

'No Man's Land' is not a Hollywood (American) movie. It's a Bosniak movie. What's the Bosniak film industry called?


Can you share the year of your visit please?

During the war.

 

[bosanski vojnik]

I was in Bosnia for a while. For whatever reason, they had a very weak grip on Islam. Drinking was normal, as was eating pork. Prayer was unheard of, except for literally, old women.

This was while back, now I don't know.

I know that drinking is common over here amongst Muslims but not eating pork. It may be served in restaurants but they are probably christian owned and I rarely know any Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) who eats pork.

With regards to weak grip on Islam that is based on perception. You have to take into account that Bosnia lives amongst Christian neighbours and is barely majority Muslim and was under direct non-muslim rule from 1878 to 1991

I am sure there are millions of Pakistanis (anecdotal I know but there are many Pakistani friends of mine who are way more secular than any Bosnian I've met) who behave similar but due to your nations large population and history of domestic Islamic rule get drowned out by the more conservative elements of your society.

btw it's funny seeing Pakitani's and Indians talk about our country on this forum. We are pretty much an insignificant land of 3.5 million people compared to both of your nations.

 

[jamal18]

I know that drinking is common over here amongst Muslims but not eating pork. It may be served in restaurants but they are probably christian owned and I rarely know any Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) who eats pork.

With regards to weak grip on Islam that is based on perception. You have to take into account that Bosnia lives amongst Christian neighbours and is barely majority Muslim and was under direct non-muslim rule from 1878 to 1991

I am sure there are millions of Pakistanis (anecdotal I know but there are many Pakistani friends of mine who are way more secular than any Bosnian I've met) who behave similar but due to your nations large population and history of domestic Islamic rule get drowned out by the more conservative elements of your society.

btw it's funny seeing Pakitani's and Indians talk about our country on this forum. We are pretty much an insignificant land of 3.5 million people compared to both of your nations.

Yep. It was my perception, and a long time ago. I didn't go into the reasons, I am sure commuinst rule didn't help, and also it is a very mixed society with non-muslims.

Insignificant country? You don't know how important it became to Muslims all over the World! Mujihideen from all over the Islamic world came and fought in Bosnia!

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

I know that drinking is common over here amongst Muslims but not eating pork. It may be served in restaurants but they are probably christian owned and I rarely know any Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) who eats pork.

With regards to weak grip on Islam that is based on perception. You have to take into account that Bosnia lives amongst Christian neighbours and is barely majority Muslim and was under direct non-muslim rule from 1878 to 1991

It may also be the other way round. Due to negligible population of Muslims, the country may not have produced Muslim rulers or attract Muslim invaders.

India had: 1) 100 years of European Christian rule 2) Partition between Hindus and Muslims by carving out Pakistan 3) 70 years of Hindu rule
Yet India's Muslim community is prominent.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

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An example is worth thousands of words of explanation. Look at Chechnya. Chechens seem to be REAL Muslims with flavour of European Whites. Bosniaks seem more like Christians of Europe.

Bosnia war had nothing to do with Islam or any religion. So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?

'We have a different kind of Islam,' say Bosnia's Muslims

SARAJEVO // Sarajevo's many minarets have been meticulously restored in the almost 20 years since Bosnia's devastating war and new ones that have been built are predominantly in the modern Turkish style topped with conical grey roofs.

Foreign interest in Bosnia's once beleaguered Muslim community is evident all around. Saudi Arabia built the largest mosque and Islamic centre in the Balkans in Sarajevo and is helping to fund the new university library. Countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE have all provided aid and investments.

But attention from Turkey and Arabian Gulf countries has waned since the immediate aftermath of the war.

Despite the signs of the ties that bind Bosnia to Turkey and the wider Muslim world, this Balkan country is firmly rooted in Europe and has outspoken ambitions to join the European Union, ambitions that are thrown into sharp relief today by the accession of neighbouring Croatia.

"We are Muslims but we feel we are different Muslims, not like in Turkey and Egypt, for example. We are European," said Alida Vracic, director of Sarajevo-based think tank Populari.

She voiced the frustration felt by many Bosnians over the political divisions that still plague the country and that block progress towards EU accession.

The paralysis is so bad that last month the frustration boiled over into protests, when thousands marched to demand an end to the crisis over the registration of babies.

Because of persistent political divisions along sectarian Muslim-Christian lines, the law on passports and IDs lapsed in February and parents cannot obtain the papers for their babies, impeding such things as travel and medical treatment.

Bosnia, a country of less than four million, is a cauldron of religious and sectarian feelings on a par with Syria and Lebanon.

The CIA World Factbook put the population ratio in 2000 at roughly 48 per cent Bosniak, 37 per cent Serb and 14 per cent Croat. During the civil war that accompanied the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, its two main Christian groups, Croatian Catholic and Serb Orthodox, first ganged up on the mainly Muslim Bosniaks, before the Croatians sided with them against the Serbs.

The outcome, imposed by the United States at the 1995 Dayton talks and backed by the force of Nato fighter-bombers, is an unruly hodgepodge of a state where old animosities are never far beneath the surface and where leaders on all sides seem mainly out to sabotage each other.

The Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as it is officially known, is divided into two largely autonomous parts. The Bosniaks are united with the Bosnian Croats in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, while the Serbs rule the part they took over during the war, called the Republika Srpska.

On the federal level, the country has a three-member presidium and a bicameral parliament.

At the Turkish cultural centre - tellingly located in the heart of Sarajevo right next to the Bosniak cultural centre - the director of the Bosniak Institute, Akay Ceylani, shakes his head. He is well aware that his country has very close historical ties with Bosnia but knows that Turkish business is less than enthusiastic about the country. "Many people and companies come but they don't stay long, because the political situation is stuck," he said.

When Turkey's foreign ministry set up its new cultural centres outside the country, the first one was established in Sarajevo, in 2009. Turkey is a role model for many Bosnians because of its solid economic performance, said Mr Ceylani.

"Many people who study Turkish would like to have a relationship with Turkey, go work there or work in a Turkish company here," he said.

Bosnia's relationship with the rest of the Muslim world is more ambiguous: many Bosniaks have voiced interest in closer ties, some have expressed that they are not well enough informed on the Arab world and others have tended to be more cautious, noting a cultural divide.

In the shadow of the hulking King Fahd Bin AbdulAziz Alsaud mosque in the Alipasino Polje neighbourhood of Sarajevo, 27-year-old law student Sead Kerenovic and his friends, all Bosnian Muslims, ignore the call to Friday prayer. They have mixed feelings about the presence of the large building with its adjacent cultural centre.

"We belong to Europe and we have a different kind of Islam," said Mr Kerenovic.

He and his friends have appreciated that the Saudi centre has offered free courses in IT, English and Arabic, but ultimately they believe that Bosnia has little in common with the Arab world.

"Turkey is closer to us. And we want to be in the EU," said one. They said they rue the political paralysis that is for now frustrating that ambition.

The same divisions that hamper EU accession have also clouded the business climate. Turkey invested more in other Balkan countries, for example, despite a strong belief in Bosnia that it is the main recipient of Turkish investment and aid.

According to OECD figures, Turkey was the ninth largest donor of aid to Bosnia in 2010-11, giving US$23 million (Dh84.5m).

Ms Vracic of the Poulari think tank said the perception comes from "sentiments that are understandable in light of the past but much of it is just not realistic on the ground".

"Turkey simply does not invest as much in Bosnia as many other countries," she said.

However, Turkish tourists and students, among them many women dressed in long coats and headscarves, are a common sight on the streets of the Bosnian capital and in tourist destinations such as the nearby historical city of Mostar.

That's why I couldn't find any reference to any religion in that authentic movie 'No Man's Land'.

Many buildings were destroyed indiscriminately. Some of them happened to be mosques. 'No Man's Land' makes no mention whatsoever of religion. Even the names of the characters were secular.

Many buildings were destroyed indiscriminately. Some of them happened to be mosques. 'No Man's Land' makes no mention whatsoever of religion. Even the names of the characters were secular.

@Jf Thunder @k s ahmed @Imran Khan @Alternatiiv @Flash_Ninja @Pan-Islamic-Pakistan @Ghareeb_Da_Baal @hussain0216 @timmy_area51 @Malik Abdullah @OsmanAli98 @Mujahid Memon @LeGenD @Gillani88 @dexter @Sher Shah Awan @Wa Muhammada @Ahmet Pasha @xyxmt @terry5 @HannibalBarca @YoucefZighoud @jamal18

An example is worth thousands of words of explanation. Look at Chechnya. Chechens seem to be REAL Muslims with flavour of European Whites. Bosniaks seem more like Christians of Europe.

@Cobra Arbok

@snow lake