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Bosnia war had nothing to do with Islam or any religion

Serbs were killing bosnians to please american whites just like turks kill armenians and kurds .. so that america likes
Serbia (then Yugoslavia) was/is an ally of Russia actually, and Serbia wanted to prevent Bosnian freedom movement (breakup of Yugoslavia).

[1] https://www.britannica.com/place/Yugoslavia-former-federated-nation-1929-2003

[2] https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/breakup-yugoslavia

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Every conflict is not about pleasing American whites. In fact, NATO played a major role in degrading the war-machine of Serbia in this war with thousands of air strikes. Most notably, USAF lost an F-117A Nighthawk in this conflict.
 
And? One Bosniak view of a particular event EQUAL Reality?
And since when "Movies" are Historically proven facts?
You should have seen that site I came across while surfing. Bosniaks were telling, "We are Europeans. We don't feel any connection with Pakistan or Arab countries." The article also said Bosniaks also frequently ignore loudspeaker calls for namaaz.
 
'No Man's Land' was made by a Bosniak.

I know and that Bosniak made a fiction movie about some of the absurdities of the war,not about reasons for it or Bosniaks opinions about their religion like you are falsely trying to portray in this troll thread.

You should have seen that site I came across while surfing. Bosniaks were telling, "We are Europeans. We don't feel any connection with Pakistan or Arab countries." The article also said Bosniaks also frequently ignore loudspeaker calls for namaaz.

And yes we are Europeans,if you ever went to elementary school you would know that.
As far as the second part goes would you mind providing some sources?Or did you just made that up?
 
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You should have seen that site I came across while surfing. Bosniaks were telling, "We are Europeans. We don't feel any connection with Pakistan or Arab countries." The article also said Bosniaks also frequently ignore loudspeaker calls for namaaz.

If Bosniaks feel Pakistani or Arab then they have a problem... and I'm pretty sure no one among them think that way...
as for the Later... I really wonder where you took that thing from...
 
Bosniaks are European, the only thing that ties us to Muslim countries is our religion, but our culture is European as is way of life.
 
Bosnian are ethnically Serbs and share the same language.

Bosniaks or Bosnian Muslims were once Croats or Serbs who converted to Islam when the Ottoman Turk ruled Bosnia from 1463 A.D. to 1878 A.D. ... In all, Bosnia is a hodge podge nation in terms of it ethnicity. The three main ethnic groups ofBosnia are Bosnian Croats, Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims.
 
Bosnian are ethnically Serbs and share the same language.

Bosniaks or Bosnian Muslims were once Croats or Serbs who converted to Islam when the Ottoman Turk ruled Bosnia from 1463 A.D. to 1878 A.D. ... In all, Bosnia is a hodge podge nation in terms of it ethnicity. The three main ethnic groups ofBosnia are Bosnian Croats, Bosnian Serbs and Bosnian Muslims.

I understand how some people could believe this, however the facts and history are very different. Bosnia has a history dating back to the 10th century when it was a Banate under the Kingdom of Hungary, then became it's own kingdom with it's own Bosnian Church and Alphabet (Bosancica). The inhabitants there were known as "Bosnjani". During the Ottoman times Bosnia was a Eyalet, giving it limited autonomy within the empire while Serbia was not on a map, and this continued for nearly 500 years. It wasn't until the mid 19th century that the Serbian Orthodox church along with the Croatian Catholic church tried to exploit the weakening Muslim power in the region when they started to massively serbinize and croatanize the orthodox and catholic populations in Bosnia which was easy given that the Christian "Bosnjani" felt isolated from the Muslim "Bosnjani" so many of them flocked to a new identity.

Even though we are similar to Serbia and Croatia and rightfully so, our history is simply too rich and too long to say that we are our neighbors or we are something we are not.

https://academic.oup.com/jcs/article-abstract/21/3/583/779688?redirectedFrom=PDF
 

I know it hurts, I know. Long live Bosnia, had an amazing trip there.
 
Bosnia war had nothing to do with Islam or any religion. So in the context of this war or the inter-ethnic hatred and conflicts of the Balkans, why refer to Bosnians as Muslims? Simply call them Bosnians. And why should Pakistan get involved or even interested?

'We have a different kind of Islam,' say Bosnia's Muslims

SARAJEVO // Sarajevo's many minarets have been meticulously restored in the almost 20 years since Bosnia's devastating war and new ones that have been built are predominantly in the modern Turkish style topped with conical grey roofs.

Foreign interest in Bosnia's once beleaguered Muslim community is evident all around. Saudi Arabia built the largest mosque and Islamic centre in the Balkans in Sarajevo and is helping to fund the new university library. Countries such as Qatar, Kuwait and the UAE have all provided aid and investments.

But attention from Turkey and Arabian Gulf countries has waned since the immediate aftermath of the war.

Despite the signs of the ties that bind Bosnia to Turkey and the wider Muslim world, this Balkan country is firmly rooted in Europe and has outspoken ambitions to join the European Union, ambitions that are thrown into sharp relief today by the accession of neighbouring Croatia.

"We are Muslims but we feel we are different Muslims, not like in Turkey and Egypt, for example. We are European," said Alida Vracic, director of Sarajevo-based think tank Populari.

She voiced the frustration felt by many Bosnians over the political divisions that still plague the country and that block progress towards EU accession.

The paralysis is so bad that last month the frustration boiled over into protests, when thousands marched to demand an end to the crisis over the registration of babies.

Because of persistent political divisions along sectarian Muslim-Christian lines, the law on passports and IDs lapsed in February and parents cannot obtain the papers for their babies, impeding such things as travel and medical treatment.

Bosnia, a country of less than four million, is a cauldron of religious and sectarian feelings on a par with Syria and Lebanon.

The CIA World Factbook put the population ratio in 2000 at roughly 48 per cent Bosniak, 37 per cent Serb and 14 per cent Croat. During the civil war that accompanied the break-up of the former Yugoslavia, its two main Christian groups, Croatian Catholic and Serb Orthodox, first ganged up on the mainly Muslim Bosniaks, before the Croatians sided with them against the Serbs.

The outcome, imposed by the United States at the 1995 Dayton talks and backed by the force of Nato fighter-bombers, is an unruly hodgepodge of a state where old animosities are never far beneath the surface and where leaders on all sides seem mainly out to sabotage each other.

The Republic of Bosnia and Herzegovina, as it is officially known, is divided into two largely autonomous parts. The Bosniaks are united with the Bosnian Croats in the Federation of Bosnia and Herzegovina, while the Serbs rule the part they took over during the war, called the Republika Srpska.

On the federal level, the country has a three-member presidium and a bicameral parliament.

At the Turkish cultural centre - tellingly located in the heart of Sarajevo right next to the Bosniak cultural centre - the director of the Bosniak Institute, Akay Ceylani, shakes his head. He is well aware that his country has very close historical ties with Bosnia but knows that Turkish business is less than enthusiastic about the country. "Many people and companies come but they don't stay long, because the political situation is stuck," he said.

When Turkey's foreign ministry set up its new cultural centres outside the country, the first one was established in Sarajevo, in 2009. Turkey is a role model for many Bosnians because of its solid economic performance, said Mr Ceylani.

"Many people who study Turkish would like to have a relationship with Turkey, go work there or work in a Turkish company here," he said.

Bosnia's relationship with the rest of the Muslim world is more ambiguous: many Bosniaks have voiced interest in closer ties, some have expressed that they are not well enough informed on the Arab world and others have tended to be more cautious, noting a cultural divide.

In the shadow of the hulking King Fahd Bin AbdulAziz Alsaud mosque in the Alipasino Polje neighbourhood of Sarajevo, 27-year-old law student Sead Kerenovic and his friends, all Bosnian Muslims, ignore the call to Friday prayer. They have mixed feelings about the presence of the large building with its adjacent cultural centre.

"We belong to Europe and we have a different kind of Islam," said Mr Kerenovic.

He and his friends have appreciated that the Saudi centre has offered free courses in IT, English and Arabic, but ultimately they believe that Bosnia has little in common with the Arab world.

"Turkey is closer to us. And we want to be in the EU," said one. They said they rue the political paralysis that is for now frustrating that ambition.

The same divisions that hamper EU accession have also clouded the business climate. Turkey invested more in other Balkan countries, for example, despite a strong belief in Bosnia that it is the main recipient of Turkish investment and aid.

According to OECD figures, Turkey was the ninth largest donor of aid to Bosnia in 2010-11, giving US$23 million (Dh84.5m).

Ms Vracic of the Poulari think tank said the perception comes from "sentiments that are understandable in light of the past but much of it is just not realistic on the ground".

"Turkey simply does not invest as much in Bosnia as many other countries," she said.

However, Turkish tourists and students, among them many women dressed in long coats and headscarves, are a common sight on the streets of the Bosnian capital and in tourist destinations such as the nearby historical city of Mostar.

That's why I couldn't find any reference to any religion in that authentic movie 'No Man's Land'.

@Taimur Khurram

@AfrazulMandal
 
@Damir877 @Elvin

What was India's stand on Bosnia war? What statements did Indian politicians and diplomats issue on this matter during 1990s?

I am sure a quick Google search will let you know! Our biggest diplomatic focus was European powers and the US back then, and they were all on the Bosnian side when it came to legalities and statehood, etc.
 
I am sure a quick Google search will let you know! Our biggest diplomatic focus was European powers and the US back then, and they were all on the Bosnian side when it came to legalities and statehood, etc.
And what a marvelous job the European powers and US did in keeping Bosniaks safe. That 'No Man's Land' movie character Frenchman Sgt. Marchand is very close to reality. Pakistan's role was irrelevant and useless.

@I S I @Ahmet Pasha @waz @Oscar @xyxmt @Imran Khan @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Max @Super Falcon
 
And what a marvelous job the European powers and US did in keeping Bosniaks safe. That 'No Man's Land' movie character Frenchman Sgt. Marchand is very close to reality. Pakistan's role was irrelevant and useless.

@I S I @Ahmet Pasha @waz @Oscar @xyxmt @Imran Khan @Irfan Baloch @DESERT FIGHTER @Max @Super Falcon

They did a sh*t job :D we fought the Bosnian Serbs to the east, north and southeast, and the Bosnian Croats to the west, southwest, and had an arms embargo on the only legitimate armed force ( the army of the Republic of Bosnia) while the bosnian serbs and croats had good established forces with logistics, heavy weapons etc. Despite all of this we still managed to give an outstanding resistance. Ultimately we learned that we can only rely on our balls and our rifles .. and no one else. I am personally amazed at how we managed to keep Bosnia in tact, blows my mind everytime.
 
...and who said pakistan is involved only for the sake of Muslims?
obviously no one would want mullahs in their country
so they already made it very clear
May be she is saying it.to.join EU?
Because the rift was based on religious divide as well.

I don't see how Pakistan is getting involved lest it be it for the protection of Bosniaks. Pakistan air lifted heavy weaponry to them in the past to help them defend after all. But their internal politics is nothing that Pakistan ever will or ever has messed with.
why do you people even bother with these namard & worst of the worst non-believers and bullshitter?
They even know better than Bosnians what they are about so let them fap off to their 3.6 inch inverted c@#*$.
anyways, have you seen that video from way back then when we provided them with weapons, most notably antitank missiles which they successfully used and scored some victories? They mentioned & thanked their Pakistani "brothers" in the video.
Bosnians and Pakistanis are best friends, we also readily intermarry and run masajid and organizations together in the West.

We don’t need your permission to have relations.

Since when is India the decider of Pakistan’s foreign policy?
Islam is a worldwide religion you have all colours and peoples as part of islam

The war is the Balkans was ethnic, YES
The war in the Balkans was religious, YES

The Bosnians were Muslim, they were unarmed against armed foes who were commiting atrocities

The world was dickless

So muslim countries including Pakistan took the opportunity to supply the Bosnian Muslims weapons, that helped them defend themselves

Whats so difficult to understand?
Why is your hindu *** burning about Muslims supplying Bosnians weapons?
Spot on. My chachi is a Bosnian and Alhamdulilah she is a great woman.
I am proud of the role my country played in helping our Muslim brothers in bosnia.

This ummah is one body and if an aggressor hurts one of us, it affects all of us

http://stenopost.com/2018/04/pakist...-bosnians-during-the-yugoslavian-war-of-1991/
Well when they will be whipped again by christian zealots then they will surely change their tune.


Also Bosnia is like any other muslim countey. It has really good strong loving muslims. And it also has aurat march types.
Muslims in every country are a bit different effected by the culture of that region, Pakistani dress different than Turkish who dress different that Arabs and so on. Muslim in sub continent have taken some customs and rituals from Hinduism and visa versa, Bosnian Muslim have culture closer to Turkey but more western in nature. In sub continent clashes between Hindus and Muslims are ethnic or religious?

A Muslim is a Muslim is a Muslim. Anyone who believes Allah to be the only God and Mohammad as his last Prophet is a Muslim. Qadyanis do everything Islamic like any other Muslim but they believe Mirza is a Prophet and hence not Muslim. Why was this war between Bosnian and everyone else, why were European allowing this murder of Bosnian if it was not religious.

By the way the only reason this war is portrayed as ethnic in the west is because it was Christians killing Muslims. Just like Muslim killing someone is a terrorists and Christian is mentally unstable.
Serbia (then Yugoslavia) was/is an ally of Russia actually, and Serbia wanted to prevent Bosnian freedom movement (breakup of Yugoslavia).

[1] https://www.britannica.com/place/Yugoslavia-former-federated-nation-1929-2003

[2] https://history.state.gov/milestones/1989-1992/breakup-yugoslavia

yugoslavia.jpg


Every conflict is not about pleasing American whites. In fact, NATO played a major role in degrading the war-machine of Serbia in this war with thousands of air strikes. Most notably, USAF lost an F-117A Nighthawk in this conflict.

I know it hurts, I know. Long live Bosnia, had an amazing trip there.
I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

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I have never seen a Bosniak wear the Muslim cap or grow a Muslim beard. Even Chechens, who are European Muslims, wear Muslim cap and grow Muslim beard but never Bosniaks.

@AfrazulMandal
what a stupid logic there is no muslim cap its just every region have own ways to cover head while praying .please come out from bollywood . there are 100s of millions clean shaved without wearing any cap and they are better muslims
 

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