Blast in a Mosque in Peshawar: 50 people injured

[epebble]

Yes agree. However I don't think the West has anymore appetite to get involved much in that region after the Afghanistan debacle. We are too preoccupied today with many things to ever focus again in your region to be honest. For one there is the Russian challenge and war in Ukraine and the Coming China's rise which will be our focus or the foreseeeble future. Pakistan lost the opportunity to work with us when they had the chance and the West was willing to do the necessary back then. We just dont have that will anymore today . The U.S/West spent hundreds of billions of dollars and material aid/equipments trying to stabilise Afghanistan and make it more governable/moderate and set up education for the country (women included) and establish a ground foundation on which the country can at least try to join the modern world and get rid of its extremists/jihadists and islamists radicals. Pakistan should have fully supported NATO forces and join the West in crushing those Talibans and other Islamic extremists who were openly using Pakistan as their base/logistics centre/refuge from where they could carry on their fight in Afghanistan against Western forces and make a new Afghan government ungovernable. Instead Pakistans establishment was playing a double game, NATO forces called on Pakistan countless times to cooperate and join forces to eliminate this threat, but Pakistan refuted them time and again by instead supporting these same radicals/militants who are now causing havoc in Pakistan. As I said, Pakistan's establishment might have had its geopolitical reasons for doing so, but remains to be seen if that was the right thing to do for the country long term wise.
What Pakistan failed to realised is that an unstable neighbour or a neighbour ruled by radical elements with an outdated ideology like the Talibans can never be a good thing for Pakistan. A country needs a peaceful prosperous environment to thrive. You think if China was surrounded by backward radical ideological ruled unstable countries like Afghanistan which would have had an impact on the country itself then there is no way they could have grown and developed the way they did this past 5 decades. Investors/Western and Asian companies would have never set up their companies/productions or invested their billions there. They are lucky their neighbours facing their most populous sides are advanced forward looking countries like Taiwan, S.Korea, Japan, ASEAN countries etc or even Vietnam which is still stable, peaceful and ruled by a strong central government oriented on economic development. Reason they can all work together trade and move forward. Paksitan's establishment seems to have forgotten that.

A country needs a stable environment fiest and foremost to even have a chance of development. Pakistan already failed at that , since you are basically surrounded on 2 sides by instability, you have a hot war border with India sulking off the little state public capital you have to maintain military infrastructure on that front to fight India and an unstable Afghanistan ruled by a backward islamist group like the Taliban, where islamists radical militants can find refuge and thrive. There is no way the country can ever move forward. I have not even mentioned your own internal problems which are too many to even talk about on here. I think at this rate in a decade or two from now, if the country continues the way it has been this past years, Pakistan will be left far behind by everyone and be the last country in South Asia ON EVERY DEVELOPMENT METRICS ONE CAN THINK OF. It will then seem Bangladesh who got it independence just over 4 decades ago and was way behind made a good choice to get their self rule.

Totally agree. Barring catastrophic reasons, West (or the rest) has absolutely no desire to tangle with Afghanistan and/or Pakistan militarily. The Golden Age for Pakistan to cure its errors of supporting Taliban in 1990s was to be with the Nato wholeheartedly in 2002-2021. The logic of 'split the difference' between Taliban and the West did not work well. The Great Pakistani Strategist Hamid Gul presciently predicted that 'Pakistan will defeat America (in Afghanistan) with America's help'. His prediction came spectacularly true. Unfortunately, that success comes with a confident and energetic Afghan Taliban and a disillusioned West.

 

[Genghis khan1]

What a f*cking P*ssy




An attack of this size would lead to a massive military operation performed by any self respecting country.

Yet the status quo will continue.

Respect aside. Incompetence has seeped into the high echelons of this country. Security establishment policies are like headless chicken, all over the place without any clue.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

The establishment is not the genius mastermind you think it is. They couldn't even properly politically engineer Imran Khan out of the scene and now they are widely hated.

Never be in doubt - the TTP is a real organisation and real threat. It isn't no fake proxy, it is a very serious threat and does have support in certain extremist groups and ethnonationalist Pashutn circles.

TTP is not one big homogenous, monolithic group, ther are many splinter smaller groups or factions who works independently and joins together at their requirement.

Splinter, smaller factions or even a individial suicide bomber can be hired without the tacit approval of the main TTP. And that TTP main has denied they carried the Peshawar police line suicide bomb blast which killed more than 100 people and with 90 of them the KPK policemen.

Also the CCPO said sarkari car used in moving the suicide bomber to the police line area, as this is in red zone and any lone stranger cannot be allowed withiut being checked and stopped.

This creates more questions about the conspiracy behind it.

 

[TheSolution]

Rest of the leaders are crooks the thing going for Imran Khan is he’s not corrupt nor a thief as the rest are & has opened the whole of Pakistanis eyes to the real menaces who are bleeding the country dry for personal gain .

He just fell into the clutches of an occult .
It happens in sub continent black magic ,witchcraft spells . Again my opinion .

Imran Khan is an honest man with good intentions. His only down side has been he is unfortunately too naive for geopolitics and constantly fails to understand the severity of the situation.

He is loved because he is an honest man that cares about the country among crooks. But I think if he had healthy competition like in any other stable country, he wouldn't last in politics due to naivety.

 

[epebble]

Incompetence has seeped into the high echelons of this country

Don't know about military, but incompetence among civilian administration is breathtaking (and dumbfounding). The Finance minister Dar would not be hired as a manager of a McDonald's restaurant here. Neither would the PMs Sharif or IK.

 

[Genghis khan1]

Don't know about military, but incompetence among civilian administration is breathtaking (and dumbfounding). The Finance minister Dar would not be hired as a manager of a McDonald's restaurant here. Neither would the PMs Sharif or IK.

70,000 dead and still counting, do you still have any doubts in the incompetence of security establishment.

 

[TheSolution]

70,000 dead and still counting, do you still have any doubts in the incompetence of security establishment.

That being said, the society is a big part to blame in itself

You will find TTP supporters quite commonly throughout KPK especially and between Afghans.

It is always funny to me when I see protests blaming the army, it's just become a trend, when so many of their own people sing the praises of the TTP and provide them manpower and support.

When is this discussion going to ever be had?

 

[Jazzbot]

We can't fence the afghan border and man it properly.
We can't send afghans back.
We can't extinguish TTP in over 2 decades.
We can't go after the perpetrators in afghan territories.

and the list goes on..

Lumber 1 for a reason.

 

[TheSolution]

We can't fence the afghan border and man it properly.
We can't send afghans back.
We can't extinguish TTP in over 2 decades.
We can't go after the perpetrators in afghan territories.

and the list goes on..

Lumber 1 for a reason.

Lumber 1 at failing

Lumber 1 at giving speeches only

 

[Olympus81]

I won’t go into technicals.

But get this through your head. The policy of appeasement does not work. We have seen what negotiations (from the position of weakness) has achieved. The state (politicians, establishment) ended up releasing their prisoners (Ehsanullah Ehsan and others) and the TTP failed to follow their end of the bargain.

Countless terrorist incidents have happened pre and post negotiations. Nothing will be achieved going forward with this thought process.

The solution is simple. The state needs to follow a passive aggressive approach. Take out their heads, perform IBOs on their groups, apprehend their handlers and financers, cut them to size, hot pursuit into Afghanistan, cross border raids on their hide outs.

And then negotiate from a position of strength. They don’t surrender, repeat the above.

This is a failure all round. There is no point blaming a certain institution and exonerate another.

One thing I’ll say is TTP popping up in Swat, is certainly a result of help from some big wigs. From Afghan border for a group to travel this deep into Swat, sounds fishy.

 

[TheSolution]

No more negotiations or peace talks.

Follow what General Tariq Khan said, bring him in as an advisor, either hold a jirga and offer them an unconditional surrender - or completely annihilate them.

 

[hembo]

100 people died in the blast ? BSDK kia nuke bandh ke aya tha ?

I think the high casualty is not from the blast itself, but from the roof collapsing on the namazees..

Nonetheless, its a horrible act of cowardice by terrorists. Sincere condolences to the family of the departed and wish a speedy recovery for the injured.

I take this opportunity to condemn all terrorists and wish they all rot in hell soon!! Any and all non-state actors involved in armed attacks are terrorists and intelligent governments should stay away from these and trample them like the dirty snake they are, lest it comes back to bite the hand that feeds it. Abhi nehi sikhenge toh kab sikhenge.

 

[ARMalik]

1- TTP has DENIED responsibility for this.

2- CCPO Peshawar told a news conference that the terrorist was using a 'Government Vehicle'. So how come a terrorist has access to a government vehicle UNLESS SOME Government Organisation provided the vehicle to the terrorist?

3- This is the same old playbook of Afghan war which the Army Generals used during the 1980's and 1990's and 2000's.

4- Destabilization of PTI in KPK is also HIGH ON THE AGENDA.

So everyone can reach their own conclusion as to who was responsible for this. But I KNOW 100% WHO THE REAL CULPRITS ARE BEHIND THIS.

 

[Tomcats]

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[TheSolution]

1- TTP has DENIED responsibility for this.

Yes because the people who shoot up schools full of children are so honest

And the government is so rètarded it provided government vehicles to TTP, when most of the time it cannot do that in actual required areas

Sounds like a conspiracy theory state out of the *** of a youthiya