BJP chief claims English bad for India, triggers outrage

[Chinese-Dragon]

If you had dozens & you picked one arbitrarily, it might have.

I guess you haven't heard about how much resistance there was to Mandarin being the national language.

There is still a lot of resistance today, from Cantonese speaking areas for example. Though personally I have always liked Mandarin, even though I have Cantonese/Hakka roots.

The point is that Israel resurrected a language that had been dead for thousands of years so they could have their own native language, rather than the European languages which they were speaking at that time.

And it hasn't hurt them at all, they are very successful in all academic fields.

 

[Shankranthi]

It doesn't matter that they have roots in Sanskrit (I don't believe many agree that Dravidian languages have root in Sanskrit, influence certainly but not root), what matters is whether that perception is shared. If it isn't, then all that will flow is bitterness & hate. Pointless. If it was widely acceptable, it would have been accepted. It hasn't been, sometimes best not to labour too much.

Except for Tamil which too also has lots of sanskrit words, all south Indian languages have Tatsama. Sanskrit make up for 40 to 60% of south Indian languages. This is recognized by all the south Indians themselves. and there is no dispute about this. Only the written scrip is not based on devanagari script.

Teaching of sanskrit will certainly be widely accepted in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. Only Tamil will hesitate but that is same as their stand on Hindi too. North India will anyway accept sanskrit. There is no contradiction and there is no basis for assuming any bitterness and hate. That is just mischief mongering.

It was not implemented because there weren't enough sanskrit scholars to implement it earlier .....that and the Anti Hindu stand of the congress that passed for secularism then and now. In todays day and age of Internet, learning sanskrit is not a big challenge anymore and neither is teaching it. Besides sometimes it it Necessary to Labor at bit to protect your roots, your culture and civilization. Some things are worth fighting for.

Absolutely!! At the time of need, it's not advisable to sit with sentiments.It needs to be prioritized which is more important and help more in growth. English is a Global language and because of English as the official language India has achieved quite a bit of success which won't have been possible otherwise.

This sounds similar to congress propaganda that says BJP will either give you Ram mandir, or food to eat or jobs.......as if all these were mutually exclusive.

Learning sanskrit is not the same as Not learning english.

 

[damiendehorn]

Except for Tamil which too also has lots of sanskrit words, all south Indian languages have Tatsama. Sanskrit make up for 40 to 60% of south Indian languages. This is recognized by all the south Indians themselves. and there is no dispute about this. Only the written scrip is not based on devanagari script.

Teaching of sanskrit will certainly be widely accepted in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. Only Tamil will hesitate but that is same as their stand on Hindi too. North India will anyway accept sanskrit. There is no contradiction and there is no basis for assuming any bitterness and hate. That is just mischief mongering.

It was not implemented because there weren't enough sanskrit scholars to implement it earlier .....that and the Anti Hindu stand of the congress that passed for secularism then and now. In todays day and age of Internet, learning sanskrit is not a big challenge anymore and neither is teaching it.



This sounds similar to congress propaganda that says BJP will either give you Ram mandir, or food to eat or jobs.......as if all these were mutually exclusive.

Learning sanskrit is not the same as Not learning english.

How many people in India speak Sanskrit as either a first or second language?
How many people outside India speak Sanskrit?
How long is it realisticlly going to take to teach a country as vast as India and as diverse as India a new language?
You want to replace THE DEFACTO international language that gives india immense strategic and business advantage with one that hardly anyone speaks, just because of its perceived roots to hindu culture?

Go for it it your country, your choice.

 

[Aka123]

Except for Tamil which too also has lots of sanskrit words, all south Indian languages have Tatsama. Sanskrit make up for 40 to 60% of south Indian languages. This is recognized by all the south Indians themselves. and there is no dispute about this. Only the written scrip is not based on devanagari script.

Teaching of sanskrit will certainly be widely accepted in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. Only Tamil will hesitate but that is same as their stand on Hindi too. North India will anyway accept sanskrit. There is no contradiction and there is no basis for assuming any bitterness and hate. That is just mischief mongering.

It was not implemented because there weren't enough sanskrit scholars to implement it earlier .....that and the Anti Hindu stand of the congress that passed for secularism then and now. In todays day and age of Internet, learning sanskrit is not a big challenge anymore and neither is teaching it.



This sounds similar to congress propaganda that says BJP will either give you Ram mandir, or food to eat or jobs.......as if all these were mutually exclusive.

Learning sanskrit is not the same as Not learning english.

Don't bring Congress BJP in everything. Bdw I hate all political parties so don't quote me with Congress BJP. Let me make it very clear that I am not here to do propaganda of political parties. To me all politicians are thief's who steal public's money in the name of developments.

There is something called voice of common people. I am nowhere saying people should not learn Sanskrit. One should definitely try and learn things. Learning different things helps a person's growth. Even we had Sanskrit in school as optional subject.

But no one can make it compulsory now. It is not feasible as well to give it a National or Official status. We can discuss and debate on that but practically it's not possible.

 

[Bang Galore]

Teaching of sanskrit will certainly be widely accepted in Andhra Pradesh, Karnataka and Kerala. Only Tamil will hesitate but that is same as their stand on Hindi too. North India will anyway accept sanskrit. There is no contradiction and there is no basis for assuming any bitterness and hate. That is just mischief mongering.

Not really. Most of these states have a substantial non-Hindu population, there will be no acceptance from them. I also don't buy that everyone else will accept Sanskrit, quite a few will but a there will be many who won't. Especially if it is at the cost of English. Tamil Nadu still stays out, as will the states of the NE and Kashmir. This will also give Dalit groups one more grouse.What then will be achieved by such a move? Nothing in my opinion. As a practical move, this won't work.

 

[Omtatsat]

Don't bring Congress BJP in everything. Bdw I hate all political parties so don't quote me with Congress BJP. Let me make it very clear that I am not here to do propaganda of political parties. To me all politicians are thief's who steal public's money in the name of developments.

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You have a very interesting view on politics. Obvious, living outside India, you can perhaps take a more detached view. But unless we have political parties, how can differing views and priorities be considered and reconciled.

Having lived in the USA myself, I always felt that Indian politics was far more robust and democratic and offers better "real choice" to voters while in the USA both the major parties are practically clones of each other.

 

[Aka123]

How many people in India speak Sanskrit as either a first or second language?
How many people outside India speak Sanskrit?
How long is it realisticlly going to take to teach a country as vast as India and as diverse as India a new language?
You want to replace THE DEFACTO international language that gives india immense strategic and business advantage with one that hardly anyone speaks, just because of its perceived roots to hindu culture?

Go for it it your country, your choice.

In India no community communicates in Sanskrit, man. It might be the mother of Indian Languages but it's dead now. Though it's respected. We look at Sanskrit the way many others look at Latin.

No one outside India communicates in Sanskrit and it's not a possible, feasible and practical idea to bring it back. We are basically discussing on a theoretical idea, which is good to hear only in discussions.

So whatever people does, English and only English will remain as the main and official language of India. As per the Subject of this thread, this BJP chief is trying to do a political propaganda before 2014 election which will utterly fail.

You know there are Science Fiction movies right. The discussion we are having now is very similar to those.

 

[Shankranthi]

How many people in India speak Sanskrit as either a first or second language?
How many people outside India speak Sanskrit?
How long is it realisticlly going to take to teach a country as vast as India and as diverse as India a new language?
You want to replace THE DEFACTO international language that gives india immense strategic and business advantage with one that hardly anyone speaks, just because of its perceived roots to hindu culture?

Go for it it your country, your choice.

You are clearly an Idiot who do not understand written English. I have already explained the stupidity in assuming Learning Sanskrit is not the same as NOT learning english. You muslims have a difficult time understanding this simple concept.

Loving Hindus is NOT the same as hating muslims. Being Hindu Nationalist is NOT the same as throwing out muslims. It is only fools who see this as a zero sum game.

Sanskrit was never a widely spoken language. It was a language of scholars and much of our significant works is written in sanskrit. Spoken sanskrit was Prakrit, which is nothing but Tatsama.

 

[Aka123]

You have a very interesting view on politics. Obvious, living outside India, you can perhaps take a more detached view. But unless we have political parties, how can differing views and priorities be considered and reconciled.

Having lived in the USA myself, I always felt that Indian politics was far more robust and democratic and offers better "real choice" to voters while in the USA both the major parties are practically clones of each other.

I have been living 25 years in India. For the last few years I am here in US. Bdw I don't want to do any political discussion with you guyz here, because ultimately those discussions becomes dirty leading to personal assault. So...... I guess you got my point.

 

[Shankranthi]

Not really. Most of these states have a substantial non-Hindu population , there will be no acceptance from them. I also don't buy that everyone else will accept Sanskrit, quite a few will but a there will be many who won't. Especially if it is at the cost of English. Tamil Nadu still stays out, as will the states of the NE and Kashmir. This will also give Dalit groups one more grouse.What then will be achieved by such a move? Nothing in my opinion. As a practical move, this won't work.

I knew exactly what you were aiming at .........I just wanted you to spell it out more clearly so that others can understand the implication of what you are saying.

The 'minorities' who are keen to hold on to their Anti-Hindu stand and is eager to downplay and dismiss any Pro-Hindu steps should not even be considered. They should be dealt with Firmly.

Tamil Nadu has anyway stayed out of Hindi, but they will be more flexible with sanskrit. Tamil has more in common with sanskrit than with Hindi.

Dalit are Hindus too and they have no reason to be Anti-sanskrit. Its an old divide and rule policy of the british which the 'minorities' have mastered. Sorry ...I am not buying it.

As to what will be achieved with such a move............it would be one another step in reclaiming or heritage, culture and civilization.

PS: Are you still sticking to not admitting that you are christian ?

 

[Shankranthi]

Don't bring Congress BJP in everything. Bdw I hate all political parties so don't quote me with Congress BJP. Let me make it very clear that I am not here to do propaganda of political parties. To me all politicians are thief's who steal public's money in the name of developments.

There is something called voice of common people. I am nowhere saying people should not learn Sanskrit. One should definitely try and learn things. Learning different things helps a person's growth. Even we had Sanskrit in school as optional subject.

But no one can make it compulsory now. It is not feasible as well to give it a National or Official status. We can discuss and debate on that but practically it's not possible.

That was an Analogy..............clearly you are the one who believe that saying puppy is 'calling a certain community dogs'

I am a common man and this is my voice. If it is possible to force through cheap good grains to people to get votes, it is certainly possible to encourage and make sanskrit compulsory in school. It will do more good than turning people into beggars looking for handouts.

Practical is what we practice. The moment we start practicing it, it becomes practical. If English and hindi is compulsory .......there is no reason why sanskrit cant be compulsory.

 

[Omtatsat]

I knew exactly what you were aiming at .........I just wanted you to spell it out more clearly so that others can understand the implication of what you are saying.

The 'minorities' who are keen to hold on to their Anti-Hindu stand and is eager to downplay and dismiss any Pro-Hindu steps should not even be considered. They should be dealt with Firmly.

Tamil Nadu has anyway stayed out of Hindi, but they will be more flexible with sanskrit. Tamil has more in common with sanskrit than with Hindi.

Dalit are Hindus too and they have no reason to be Anti-sanskrit. Its an old divide and rule policy of the british which the 'minorities' have mastered. Sorry ...I am not buying it.

As to what will be achieved with such a move............it would be one another step in reclaiming or heritage, culture and civilization.

I think only an upfront disclosure of one's religion will make the discussions more honest and meaningful. Right now, only through unintended Freudian slips, are we able to guess at the real agenda of such posters. And then they will go around claiming that their religion has nothing to do with their views even when the Pavlovian responses are out in the open.

 

[Aka123]

That was an Analogy..............clearly you are the one who believe that saying puppy is 'calling a certain community dogs'

I am a common man and this is my voice. If it is possible to force through cheap good grains to people to get votes, it is certainly possible to encourage and make sanskrit compulsory in school. It will do more good than turning people into beggars looking for handouts.

Practical is what we practice. The moment we start practicing it, it becomes practical. If English and hindi is compulsory .......there is no reason why sanskrit cant be compulsory.

hahaha....... u can practise it... but no else will try to practice that. That's the issue.

U can try to go to Jupiter but other's wont. Now I guess you got the analogy.

 

[Bang Galore]

I knew exactly what you were aiming at .........I just wanted you to spell it out more clearly so that others can understand the implication of what you are saying.

The 'minorities' who are keen to hold on to their Anti-Hindu stand and is eager to downplay and dismiss any Pro-Hindu steps should not even be considered. They should be dealt with Firmly.

Tamil Nadu has anyway stayed out of Hindi, but they will be more flexible with sanskrit. Tamil has more in common with sanskrit than with Hindi.

Dalit are Hindus too and they have no reason to be Anti-sanskrit. Its an old divide and rule policy of the british which the 'minorities' have mastered. Sorry ...I am not buying it.

As to what will be achieved with such a move............it would be one another step in reclaiming or heritage, culture and civilization.

Sanskrit has a history. Dalits don't share your opinion. It doesn't matter what you see as glorious history, their perspective is different. As is that of the minority groups. You have left out the NE & Kashmir.You can pretend that you can get by without considering what I have said, but as a realist & a non-believer in fairy tales, I have to disagree.

 

[Shankranthi]

I think only an upfront disclosure of one's religion will make the discussions more honest and meaningful. Right now, only through unintended Freudian slips, are we able to guess at the real agenda of such posters. And then they will go around claiming that their religion has nothing to do with their views even when the Pavlovian responses are out in the open.

........ the burqa of secularism