Binayak Sen's wife may seek political asylum

[jayron]

Binayak Sen is a known Maoist sympathiser and *** such I care the least what happens to him.Coming to the bolded part, it exists every where else.Does that justify taking guns and equally killing people. Have the Maoists murdered plenty of civilians by branding them as 'police informers' ?? What about justice to that people ??

See the GoI has not done anything to the people in the jungles of Central India and that is one thing we all agree upon. Now the Govt ha woken up and intends to do something. But this thing will not suceed till the last Maoist terrorist remains.They need to eliminated and then the GoI needs to bring in development there.

I agree with most of what you have said. But i am not sure if the government has actually woken up. Propping up organizations like salwa judum is not the solution to the problem but more like a catalyst for civil war. Even if Binayak sen is a Maoist sympathizer, the government must rather use his connection for communicating with the maoists than silence and incarcerate him.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

Why she must get out.Each and every oppressed indian will fight against the tyranny and oppression of the indian govt for the people like Binayak sen and his family to save their honor.

You don't know what you are talking about in the first place; Dr. Binayak Sen was prosecuted by the Govt. of Chattisgarh.
I do not see any sedition on the part of Dr.Binayak Sen while on the other hand it is amazingly amusing to hear you talk about "each and every oppressed Indian". Like the "Page 3" activists who drive into the tribal areas, spend a few hours there addressing a press conference and giving gratuitous "sound-bites" to get their 30 seconds of fame.

Binayak Sen and Ilina Sen live and work in those areas, just as Baba Amte did and his son and daughter-in-law do so even now. We have been funding Baba Amte's work for some years, so we know about it, Arundhati Roy knows nothing about it. Now go and google Baba Amte.

"Shoot and Scoot" Socialists abound in plenty, but they are more comfortable discussing "profound matters" between a "bada peg" and "chicken leg"!

 

[LaBong]

No it is not a 'Democratic' right to believe in Banned philosophies. There can be no two thoughts about it. Democracy is not something that allows you to do anything an gives you the freedom to do so.If that is the case why persecuting those who succumb to religious terrorism?? Is it not their democratic right to believe in that ??

The issue is "your hand ends where my nose begins" and the Maoists have long crossed that threshold. The maoists must be destroyed and one of the main roots that support the Maoist tree is their 'intellectual' supporters like Sen, Roy etc who dish out propaganda so much so that they end up romanticising the terrorists as some kinda 'Gandhians with guns'.

And what you say is a perfect recipe for 'Anarchy'. There are no banned concepts and it is a free for all.That is not Democracy.

Yes the law may impinge on certain human rights, but to gain one we must lose one and in this Maoism is the bigger menace that needs to be eliminated.

I beg to differ. I don't think state has anything to do with my believe. I can believe in whatever I want as long as it doesn't effect others democratic right.

Comparing it with terrorism is folly, as Dr. Sen with his believe, doesn't blow up trains or kill innocent people around, on the contrary he's has been saving thousands of life with his tireless social services.

Look, you have to understand, one can believe and support any ideology as long as his approach has been peaceful. You can't simply prosecute someone just because of his opinion differs from the mainstream. There is no law which finds a man guilty because of his believe.

Also don't put Dr Sen in a same bracket with Roy and her ilks. Be informed more about his life and works. This man, a doctor in profession, lived with the tribals and did the dirty work that me and you, sitting in comfort in front of our workstations, can only appreciate. Simply I think GoI don't have cojones to put Geelani, Roy etc jails so they are after people like Dr Sen.

p.s.: I asked the scanned copy of the original letter if available and not the synopsis of that letter from a Maoist-sympathising site.

That's the only source I could find, they could be sympathizer of maoists but I don't think they are lying, please notice they printed the 'propaganda' part as well.

 

[fallstuff]

Govt threw him in jail just to make an example out of him to scare away sympathizers and further isolate the Maoists.

 

[KS]

I agree with most of what you have said. But i am not sure if the government has actually woken up. Propping up organizations like salwa judum is not the solution to the problem but more like a catalyst for civil war

Salwa Judum are more like the Ikhwanis in case of Kashmir and Blackwater in case of US. And frankly speaking they have both positive and negative sides.

But yeah, there should be no private militias and if there is a gun, it should be there in the hands of the Government.

Even if Binayak sen is a Maoist sympathizer, the government must rather use his connection for communicating with the maoists than silence and incarcerate him.

Communicating ?? then what ??

The Maoists use the talks only for regrouping and rearming themselves and they have no sincere aim to talk. For them Binayak Sen is important only for his sympathy and not for talks. If they really wanted talks they would have come a long ago.

There needs to be an example of what would happen if you sympathise with groups that are banned terror organisations and the example has been made out of Sen.

Maybe I give you that the example would have been more appropriate in case a Roy or a Bhushan had been thrown into the jail.

 

[Lala_Peace]

With all sympathy to her, A nation has the limitation to satisfy everybody. So, if she insists she can leave. The nation is ready to give her two more chances (minimum) to prove that the nation cares.

 

[KS]

I beg to differ. I don't think state has anything to do with my believe. I can believe in whatever I want as long as it doesn't effect others democratic right.

Comparing it with terrorism is folly, as Dr. Sen with his believe, doesn't blow up trains or kill innocent people around, on the contrary he's has been saving thousands of life with his tireless social services.

But he supports and sympathises with people who do so and do so without any remorse. And that is a greater crime in the eyes of the law. And that fact that he does social services must not grant him immunity if he has committed a crime and supporting a banned terrorist organisation is nothing but a crime.

Look, you have to understand, one can believe and support any ideology as long as his approach has been peaceful. You can't simply prosecute someone just because of his opinion differs from the mainstream. There is no law which finds a man guilty because of his believe.

Believe me, there is nothing peaceful in supporting or sympathizing with Maoists. This is just an oxy-moron. Supporting the Maoists peacefully.

As for the bolded part it is the belief that translates into action. It was Marx's belief and thoughts that brought about one of the largest revolutions known to mankind. Without Marx there would have been no Lenin or a Stalin or a Mao.

A loud and clear message has to be sent that it is not acceptable to support or sympathise with any banned terrorist group. (Peacefully or violently )

We can all be forgiving, liberal and follow 'Democracy' to the last letter once we sort out the numerous problems (insurgencies) that our country is facing and become relatively peaceful like the countries of Western Europe or North America.

Till then these laws have to stay.

Also don't put Dr Sen in a same bracket with Roy and her ilks. Be informed more about his life and works. This man, a doctor in profession, lived with the tribals and did the dirty work that me and you, sitting in comfort in front of our workstations, can only appreciate. Simply I think GoI don't have cojones to put Geelani, Roy etc jails so they are after people like Dr Sen.

This one I agree. As I said previously a better example would have been A Roy or P Bhushan. But then incarcerating Roy has it own dis-advantages you see. and from another perspective Roy is not that dangerous because the majority of the audience for her esoteric essays in the Guardian or the NYT are the uppity,liberal hippies in London or Manhattan and not the local tribal from Jharkhand who is the most prone to taking arms.

That's the only source I could find, they could be sympathizer of maoists but I don't think they are lying, please notice they printed the 'propaganda' part as well.

The only printed matter I could find was the affidavit filed by Piyush Guha and not the letter written by Dr.Sen.

 

[luckyyy]

what's the big issue , the law will take it's couse.......appeal to higher court as it hapnened in any other case...

 

[jayron]

Communicating ?? then what ??
The Maoists use the talks only for regrouping and rearming themselves and they have no sincere aim to talk. For them Binayak Sen is important only for his sympathy and not for talks. If they really wanted talks they would have come a long ago.

There needs to be an example of what would happen if you sympathise with groups that are banned terror organisations and the example has been made out of Sen.

So what do you suggest we do with the thousands of Maoists? They are Indians too, a vast majority of which have taken up arms for a cause. They cannot be integrated with the society using force but only through talks.
When even the privileged, educated people feel helpless and frustrated at the government, what will the poor tribal people do? You or I don't know if it is really Binayak who is at fault or the government. So we cannot really support the government without knowing the truth.

 

[KS]

So what do you suggest we do with the thousands of Maoists? They are Indians too, a vast majority of which have taken up arms for a cause. They cannot be integrated with the society using force but only through talks.

Simple

• until they (the foot soldiers) lay down arms and renounce violence the Op.Green Hunt must go on.
  
• Once they lay down arms they must be re-habiliated and integrated into the society.
  
• This package should be there only for the ground soldiers.
  
• The ones at the top like Kishenji must be hunted down and should be made to pay for his crimes. No pardon.
  
• Once this violence is over, Govt must take a concerted effort to develop those areas, bring in the basic amenities like schools, PHC etc.

Look, I know it is easier said than done. But this should be the Govt approach or so I think.

When even the privileged, educated people feel helpless and frustrated at the government, what will the poor tribal people do?

Dude a thousand reasons can be found to justify each and every one's actions. Then what is the law for ??

You or I don't know if it is really Binayak who is at fault or the government. So we cannot really support the government without knowing the truth.

Exactly - I dont know the exact contents of the letter for which he is charged. But he is a known Maoist sympathizer and so I give the benefit of doubt to the Government in this case.

 

[Capt.Popeye]

@ Karthic
May i suggest a small thing. Do not go by everything that appears in the Press. The Maoist problem is serious, however it is a law & order problem, piggy-backing on socio-economic issues (which are very real).

Please do some independent research, it will help to bring some (greatly desired) perspective.
And while you are at it, also do research the Binayak Sen-ISI link as well. BTW, the ISI is very well entrenched in Calcutta; from 1931 in fact-- a very long time. If you need, Abir may be able to help you about ISI. After all he is from Callcutta.

 

[LaBong]

But he supports and sympathises with people who do so and do so without any remorse. And that is a greater crime in the eyes of the law. And that fact that he does social services must not grant him immunity if he has committed a crime and supporting a banned terrorist organisation is nothing but a crime.

Strictly speaking, he doesn't support Naxalites, but the cause. He disapproves however the violent acts of Naxals. Once again, one can support an ideology but he isn't guilty as long as he is actively helping the banned org to carry out their activities. Here's you're putting Binayak in a same group with those who blow up trains etc, which I think is wrong.

I can agree to some things Naxals say and disapprove in some, but that doesn't make guilty of their action.

Believe me, there is nothing peaceful in supporting or sympathizing with Maoists. This is just an oxy-moron. Supporting the Maoists peacefully.

As for the bolded part it is the belief that translates into action. It was Marx's belief and thoughts that brought about one of the largest revolutions known to mankind. Without Marx there would have been no Lenin or a Stalin or a Mao.

A loud and clear message has to be sent that it is not acceptable to support or sympathise with any banned terrorist group. (Peacefully or violently )

We can all be forgiving, liberal and follow 'Democracy' to the last letter once we sort out the numerous problems (insurgencies) that our country is facing and become relatively peaceful like the countries of Western Europe or North America.

Till then these laws have to stay.



This one I agree. As I said previously a better example would have been A Roy or P Bhushan. But then incarcerating Roy has it own dis-advantages you see. and from another perspective Roy is not that dangerous because the majority of the audience for her esoteric essays in the Guardian or the NYT are the uppity,liberal hippies in London or Manhattan and not the local tribal from Jharkhand who is the most prone to taking arms.

Forget everything, even according to the special law of Chattisgar he should get at max 2-3 years of jail term, not life time.

 

[KS]

@ Karthic
May i suggest a small thing. Do not go by everything that appears in the Press. The Maoist problem is serious, however it is a law & order problem, piggy-backing on socio-economic issues (which are very real).

Capt ji, I know there exists a socio-economic problem coupled with the traditional Tribal rights in the Central parts of India.

But what I am saying is nothing is enough to justify an armed revolution seeking to overthrow the very democracy, that is now cited to save Dr.Sen

If Dr.Sen is a sympathizer with the Maoists then he should know best that this imprisonment is very lenient compared to what the Maoists do to the 'police informers'.

Please do some independent research, it will help to bring some (greatly desired) perspective.
And while you are at it, also do research the Binayak Sen-ISI link as well. BTW, the ISI is very well entrenched in Calcutta; from 1931 in fact-- a very long time. If you need, Abir may be able to help you about ISI. After all he is from Callcutta.

I dont believe in the ISI link bull cr@p.

 

[Bang Galore]

I dont believe in the ISI link bull cr@p.

He is talking about the India Social Institute which was mistaken by the prosecutor & the police to be the infamous ISI

 

[Fireurimagination]

He had no business corresponding/communicating with banned terror outfit and their leaders. People have to understand there are no greys in this fight, Maoist threat is very real and very big threat

Just like if tomorrow somebody is caught communicating with LeT, Simi or Hizbul the same is going to happen to him, it happened with him

As for Binayak Sen's wife political asylum, it's entirely her decision