Biden to sign strategic partnership deal with Vietnam in latest bid to counter China in the region

[zhxy]

I think both side should play down this issue.

Last time Le Duan did an Indian style forward policy in Cao Bang, Lao Cai.

The biggest problem was that at that time, Vietnam was one of the poorest countries in the world, the industrial system was almost zero. From the needle to the thread, all are aid goods from other countries.

And more importantly, at the time Vietnam was having a strained relationship with Cambodia.

I am surprised that many Chinese believe in the deceptive logic that Le Duan wants to attack China. What fool dares to provoke a country many times larger in terms of territory + population + nuclear weapons when its country is a beggar begging for aid from abroad, moreover must face another enemy in the south?

Worst thing is Le Duan start kicking out all Chinese. Famous victim include Precillia Chan father(Facebook boss wife)

This is 100% correct.

Le Duan opposes the capitalist economic model, he believes that the socialist economic policy is right. And most of the victims are of Chinese descent because they have money.

Meanwhile Deng Xiaoping sell out communist brothers to US.

Vietnam more in the wrong.

Surely the Chinese think Vietnam is wrong.

Alright.

 

[jhungary]

The US lifted the ban on arms exports to Vietnam a few years ago, but it certainly doesn't sell strategic weapons like the F-35 or Tohamawk.

If Vietnam can buy M777 and Himars with TOT, that would be great.

Look at this char guy, and then they wonder why Vietnam want their right to self-defence. Which is actually an inherit right for a sovereign country.

 

[Song Hong]

Then whole Dang Cong San realize this is senseless and then kick out the Southern faction, put the Northern faction Nguyen Van Linh on power.

Under Nguyen Van Linh, relationship with China normalized.

Then somehow Vietnam decided to put Southern faction Nguyen Tan Dung in power again. Nguyen Tan Dung started the BIGGEST mess up and corruption rein like wild fire. He also privatize land making Vietnam infrastructure development now very difficult.

 

[jhungary]

You are dumb if you think big power politics will let you play neutral. You are and will need to bet on one horse. Hope it is the right bet.

What people here failed to see is that US is not actually next door to Vietnam, and had not had any hostile action on Vietnam since 1974.

On the other hand, China is next to Vietnam, and since 1979 war, China and Vietnam is in territorial dispute. And you will wonder, which side they will take if they are forced to do so?

 

[Song Hong]

I still got relative in Quang Ninh who got kick out.

Actually a lot of people in Quang Ninh are Chinese including Dang Cong San. They just fake Vietnamese just because they are 7th generation migrants. I think those 3rd generation and below got kick out.

You want to kick out Chinese, then got to genocide Quang Ninh.

Places like Ha Tien, Phu Quoc are likely 3-4 generation Chinese, far closer to China than Quang Ninh. Dont know their situation but I guess more got to stay.

 

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Pacific Partnership 2023 Concludes First Stop in Vietnam

Pacific Partnership closed out its mission stop in Tuy Hoa, Phú Yên Province, Vietnam, August 18, at the closing ceremony hosted by leadership of the province. In attendance at the ceremony included Mr. Dao My, Vice Chairman of Phú Yên Provincial People’s Committee; Mr. Marc E. Knapper, U.S...

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[REhorror]

Then whole Dang Cong San realize this is senseless and then kick out the Southern faction, put the Northern faction Nguyen Van Linh on power.

Under Nguyen Van Linh, relationship with China normalized.

Then somehow Vietnam decided to put Southern faction Nguyen Tan Dung in power again. Nguyen Tan Dung started the BIGGEST mess up and corruption rein like wild fire. He also privatize land making Vietnam infrastructure development now very difficult.

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Nguyễn Tấn Dũng is a southern guy (deep South - Cà Mau) so yeah that makes sense.
But you still haven't explained how a middle vietnamese - Lê Duẫn, like the same area with Uncle Hồ, is "southern faction". Like S. Vietnam still exists during most of Lê Duẩn life.

 

[OIO]

Look at this char guy, and then they wonder why Vietnam want their right to self-defence. Which is actually an inherit right for a sovereign country.

I also wonder why the West began to emphasize national sovereignty after the Ukrainian war broke out.

 

[KAL-EL]

Look at this char guy, and then they wonder why Vietnam want their right to self-defence. Which is actually an inherit right for a sovereign country.

Indeed.. Vietnam has every right to defend itself

 

[Song Hong]

In Vietnam likely Nguyen, Le, Ngo are mostly native Vietnamese.

I guess the rest of the surname are Chinese descendant.

 

[jhungary]

Yeah, but the US has no card to play against India or Vietnam, hell, it's running out of card to play against Japan despite occupying the country.

As I said many, many time here

The issue here is, should US limited Japan? Again, as I said, before when Japan is reined in by the American by their nose, Japan is not really a threat to anyone, the problem is, who do you think will benefit the most and who do you think will be in the worse situation when US simply let go of Japan and unleash them?

China would not want to see a completely independent Japan, that add to their security issue in the region. US would do F-all in Japan, as long as they have a cordial relationship with the Japanese government, in fact, if US pull its force off Japan, you can argue Japanese government would actually be more dependent to the US than when the US is occupying Japan, because having US troop in Japan means some sort of protection. Now that protection is gone, a logical thinking is that they are going to be more compliance to what US want them to do, because either that or the Japanese goes completely subjugated by the Chinese, I don't think Japan would want to kick out the American only to be subjugated by the Chinese.......

 

[Song Hong]

Nguyễn Tấn Dũng is a southern guy (deep South - Cà Mau) so yeah that makes sense.
But you still haven't explained how a middle vietnamese - Lê Duẫn, like the same area with Uncle Hồ, is "southern faction". Like S. Vietnam still exists during most of Lê Duẩn life.

Le Duan is the leader of South faction. The leadership later pass to Nguyen Tan Dung,

Meanwhile Ho Chi Minh faction is Northern faction.

Both dont like one another.

 

[REhorror]

As I said many, many time here

The issue here is, should US limited Japan? Again, as I said, before when Japan is reined in by the American by their nose, Japan is not really a threat to anyone, the problem is, who do you think will benefit the most and who do you think will be in the worse situation when US simply let go of Japan and unleash them?

China would not want to see a completely independent Japan, that add to their security issue in the region. US would do F-all in Japan, as long as they have a cordial relationship with the Japanese government, in fact, if US pull its force off Japan, you can argue Japanese government would actually be more dependent to the US than when the US is occupying Japan, because having US troop in Japan means some sort of protection. Now that protection is gone, a logical thinking is that they are going to be more compliance to what US want them to do, because either that or the Japanese goes completely subjugated by the Chinese, I don't think Japan would want to kick out the American only to be subjugated by the Chinese.......

The plan of the japanese is to bait an US - China war so they become fisherman.
Falling that, use of China's threat to rebuild their military and become a normal country and break the US's chain.

This is said by both the japanese and chinese, and it makes sense.

 

[zhxy]

Chinese on sea got rape and killed in large numbers. I guess Vietnam should stop blaming Chinese.

The Khmer Rouge repeatedly raided the Vietnamese border, brutally massacred many Vietnamese, and China was the country that supported the Khmer Rouge the most both in terms of politics and weapons, I guess to be fair, China should too stop blaming Vietnam

Le Duan sourthern factions conducted genocide.

And so is Deng.

• Support Khmer Rouge
• one-child policy (kills tens of millions of Chinese)

Deng killed more people than Le Duan

 

[Song Hong]

While China did sell out Vietnam, Vietnam also sell out Camdodia.

The Pol Pot genocide is first cook up by Vietnam to justify invasion.

In reality a lot is NOT true.

Then USA quickly pick it up and paint an ugly picture of communist in South East Asia.