Bhagi Admi, Bhagi Batay. Javed Hashmi interview

[WishLivePak]

1) General Shuja pasha was active in Lahore..

Present the list of his alleged activities with proof.

2) TuQ & IK met in London

So what? Nawaz can meet with Zardari (sadak par ghaseeton ga), IK cant meet TAQ. Why double standards?

3) Musharaf's right hand wrote for Imran khan.

Who is Musharraf's right hand? What he wrote and to whom? Present his writing(s) here please. Hawa mein teer chalaney sey kaam nahin chaley ga. Suboot do.

Model Town episode was planned by X-ISI Chief?

HairaaN hooN dil ko ro'ooN ki peetooN jigar ko maiN

• Did Pasha ask to remove the barriers outside Minhaj-ul-Quran?
• Did Pasha ask to do operation in the middle of the night?
• Did Pasha send Gullu Butt to lead the Police Mob?
• Did Pasha ask the Police for fire straight at the protesters?
• Did Pasha ask not to file the FIR for two months?

Mazahka khezi sey baat nahin baney gi, suboot do. Clownship wont do, present proof.

PTI admiers will believe when election comission dude says there was massive dhandli, but he has says he has no proof. When party president exposes party, pti lovers jump on the bandwagon "but proof pls."

Like i said, stop wasting ours and others time. In the video Javed Hashmi tells who the person is and what he wrote. Stop blindly defending your party and ignoring the truth. And stop judging the song without ever hearing it.

Go watch the vide.

Tehreek-e-hypocrite.

 

[syedali73]

At the moment, witeness is there, now evidences need to be collected. But for sure you cant simply reject him just because he left PTI.

He is NOT a witness, he is an accuser. Since he has made accusations, burden of proof lies with him (JH) and not with those who he has accused.

It is not about him being a deserter, it is about proving his claims/accusations/hallucinations in the court of law.

 

[WishLivePak]

The point which were pretty serious I think.

1) General Shuja pasha was active in Lahore..
2) TuQ & IK met in London
3) Musharaf's right hand wrote for Imran khan.

These all points are some pretty serious allegations, and commonly these points I bring out from the whole drama.

- Model Town episode was planned by X-ISI Chief?
- This whole drama was preplanned way before it's execution.
- One of the agenda was to free up Musharaf which makes Hamid Mir attack pretty relevant in this, since Hamid Mir was the one who informed everyone about this drama.

There is evidence that neither law minister, shahbaz or nawaz were involved in this. Ex army do have contacts and are rich. Someone could've told police to open fire.

Meanwhile in Islamabad, police weapons were taken to prevent another connection. Army and rangers can shoot, but then Pasha wouldn't like army badnam.

He is NOT a witness, he is an accuser. Since he has made accusations, burden of proof lies with him (JH) and not with those who he has accused.

It is not about him being a deserter, it is about proving his claims/accusations/hallucinations in the court of law.

He's witness sir. Under law, which I assume you read a bit, witness is the one who "witnesses" the event. He cannot be automatically accuser. Otherwise all accusers will be witnesses.

There is an accuser, who files petition, and then there's witness, who's Hashmi. Hashmi, again watch the damn video, says he doesn't want to shame everyone and rather not talk further about it. So why would he go about signing petiton when he wants "miti pao" and let democracy prevail? Dragging Pasha in all this is just another headache for gov't. Finally, defense minister had accused Pasha before of all this, Hashmi, who's a witness, just confirmed it.

 

[Fracker]

He is NOT a witness, he is an accuser. Since he has made accusations, burden of proof lies with him (JH) and not with those who he has accused.

It is not about him being a deserter, it is about proving his claims/accusations/hallucinations in the court of law.

The insider and nutreal bodies are always called witness. Acusser is the one who is anti of someone. Like if somone fron government has said so then he would have called accuser.

 

[syedali73]

Ex army do have contacts and are rich --- Please stop making mockery of yourself. You don't realize perhaps how bad one looks talking so stupidly, and not in one post, but almost every post.

Like i said, stop wasting ours and others time --- @WebMaster @Horus Please advise this poster to stop acting on Admin's behalf. He does not like my post, he shouldn't read them, plain and simple.

 

[Kompromat]

Ex army do have contacts and are rich --- Please top making mockery of yourself. You don't realize perhaps how bad one looks talking so stupidly, and not in one post, but almost every post.

Like i said, stop wasting ours and others time --- @WebMaster @Horus Please advise this poster to stop acting on Admin's behalf. He does not like my post, he shouldn't read them, plain and simple.

Relax and ignore the trolls, nothing hurts them more than not getting any attention.

 

[WishLivePak]

Ex army do have contacts and are rich --- Please top making mockery of yourself. You don't realize perhaps how bad one looks talking so stupidly, and not in one post, but almost every post.

Like i said, stop wasting ours and others time --- @WebMaster @Horus Please advise this poster to stop acting on Admin's behalf. He does not like my post, he shouldn't read them, plain and simple.

I want you to watch video and stop posting lies here. That's called trolling. I've told you many times most of your questions are answered in video and all your lies carry no proof and are addressed in the video.

I answered some questions and proved some of what you said being outright lie. I, or others, cannot translate 2 video into text and answer every single question or prove you a liar.

And as fracker also said, witness is not an accuser. You say hashmi has hallucination. Well, the defense minister and other law makers also agree with him.

So yes, you're trolling here. It's like you don't want to study maths and say 2+2 is not 4, when math proves it is.

So again, either watch the video. If you don't want to watch it, don't post in this thread. Like you say, i don't have to reply to you if i don't agree with it, well, you don't have to post reply in this thread when you don't like javed hashmi. If you want to post, be ready when i prove you wrong.

 

[syedali73]

The insider and nutreal bodies are always called witness. Acusser is the one who is anti of someone. Like if somone fron government has said so then he would have called accuser.

Please re-read your post and pay attention to the deficiency of argument in it.

Hashmi would be a witness if someone had accused Imran for the charges, and he was brought into the court to verify those claims as an insider, who had witnessed the wrongdoing. Right now he is only an accuser for he was not present in any meeting where Imran and Pasha discussed plans, or in the meetings where TAQ and Imran discussed conspiracies etc. He is assuming too much, for instance THE 'call', who was the caller? Hashmi does not know, or does he? At any rate, you try to take these things in thr court and you'll learn fast the status of Hashmi. We will continue from that point onwards.

 

[WishLivePak]

Please re-read your post and pay attention to the deficiency of argument in it.

Hashmi would be a witness if someone had accused Imran for the charges, and he was brought into the court to verify those claims as an insider, who had witnessed the wrongdoing. Right now he is only an accuser for he was not present in any meeting where Imran and Pasha discussed pans, or in the meetings where TAQ and Imran discussed conspiracies etc. He is assuming too much, for instance THE 'call', who was the caller? Hashmi does not know, or does he? At any rate, you try to take these things in thr court and you'll learn fast the status of Hashmi. We will continue from that point onwards.

He doesn't want to kala face the army. The defense minister is the actual accuser, as he said on TV long before that Pasha supported this party. Hashmi is a witness because he's part of the gang.

He was present in some meetings, but then you haven't watched the video, so that's waste of time.

And you can ignore me if you like, but i'll reply and expose your lies so other people don't get misguided. They will read your post and call hashmi someone who's a liar, which is not true.

 

[Chak Bamu]

JH is an asset. People who are judging him upon their personal preferences need to learn a bit more about politics.

Politicians have their own ethics and successful ones must have a good sense of timing, know what to say when and stay in touch with their constituencies. One thing that any and every politician absolutely must do, is to know when to quit. A disaster like IK's can damage a political career or even end it.

There is a saying in Desi politics, attributed to Molana Abul-Kalam Azad: "Siyasat kai seenay mein dil nahin hota", which essentially means that Politics is a pursuit of the mind, not the heart. It is very pertinent in context and I would hope that amateur analysts, like myself, would do well to remember it.

There is another thing, those who accuse JH of not being loyal are too narrow in their focus on IK and PTI's standard rhetoric. If IK were an actual politician, he would not be looking for Empire / Umpire ki ungli.

A politician must not be part of a disaster. Absolutely not. From now onwards, politics of Establishment (like IK, since Sh. Rasheed & other Establishment politicians are a part of his team now) will only lead to disaster and disapprobation. JH tried to correct the course of PTI, but could not do so and finally after a series of disasters, he gave up. Those who criticize JH wish his political death. That is too much to ask. A rebel can not be seen as a pawn of Establishment.

 

[WishLivePak]

JH is an asset. People who are judging him upon their personal preferences need to learn a bit more about politics.

Politicians have their own ethics and successful ones must have a good sense of timing, know what to say when and stay in touch with their constituencies. One thing that any and every politician absolutely must do, is to know when to quit. A disaster like IK's can damage a political career or even end it.

There is a saying in Desi politics, attributed to Molana Abul-Kalam Azad: "Siyasat kai seenay mein dil nahin hota", which essentially means that Politics is a pursuit of the mind, not the heart. It is very pertinent in context and I would hope that amateur analysts, like myself, would do well to remember it.

There is another thing, those who accuse JH of not being loyal are too narrow in their focus on IK and PTI's standard rhetoric. If IK were an actual politician, he would not be looking for Empire / Umpire ki ungli.

A politician must not be part of a disaster. Absolutely not. From now onwards, politics of Establishment (like IK, since Sh. Rasheed & other Establishment politicians are a part of his team now) will only lead to disaster and disapprobation. JH tried to correct the course of PTI, but could not do so and finally after a series of disasters, he gave up. Those who criticize JH wish his political death. That is too much to ask. A rebel can not be seen as a pawn of Establishment.

Did you watch interview?

Hashmi admits there was dhandli, which is how sheikh won. We know he's pro army. And Hashmi said the "Select" army people helped him.

 

[Musafir117]

He JH looks simple and honest man, I never heard him( mean his speeches ) but his recent interviews I'm watching he is not lying he simply answering the questions despite our media anchors are very clever specially HM and ML.
Well, if you a good face reader and have little knowledge about how to detect a lier person during his talks there are few general and poplar methods which are using by police/judges to judge the statements ( google it out for knowledge )
He not lying PERIOD. Other hand a person with sun glass during is talks or speech more spinous and have fishy character.
Short story, his all talks not to defame PTI but his struggle to save present PTI as a true Democratic Party, he is still PTI president but without him a car work shop without a denter painter.
There is no more doubt that IK under directions of WO was/still looking for a short cut to achieve his dreams. I'm totally agree with JH that Umpire didn't put his finger up coz PTI miserably failed to gather a sufficient crowd which make a pressure to the PMLN govt so AUR HATH nichey hi raha. Every day IK speech was logo a jao logo a jao showing the stress of him coz there might be a DEAL of lum sum figure which assured by IK & Group and they fail to get it, as JH also said that he advised to IK Aug/Sept not good months to bring peoples out but IK reply him he don't have much time.

 

[StandForInsaf]

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