BGB-BSF celebrate Holi along border

[saleen_s7]

Which is more ridiculous? Bangladesh fought a guerrilla war and won? or India's army is so powerful that pakistan had to withdraw their soldiers after a week they decided to aid us?

 

[fallstuff]

India would have done the same if we had some intense border or other issues with Bangladesh.

If India had turned out to be the new enemy then what were your options. This time you were not facing a few thousand soldiers with no air or naval support, with majority seperated by thousand kms of allied nation. Remember, we trained Muktis not the vice versa.

It's a misconception that Chinese or Americans would have supported you or Pakistan. Americans ignored your desperate cries ( Blood Telegram) and Chinese were minding their own business through out the war. They never came to rescue their Pakistani friends, so both are a big no.

And lastly Soviets were the 2nd largest power and they came for our rescue. Now do your calculations and tell me.

Actually India trained the irregular Mukti Bahinis. These were mostly students, professionals, farmers etc. India trained another group known as "Mujib Bahini",a creation of RAW, these are the Awami League cadres. Mujib Bahini was actually used to put down insurgency in Mizoram. The regular forces had professional soldiers somewhere between 10-20k ( if someone has an exact number, please post it). Which were increased to about 30k.

As far as occupation goes, I doubt it would be easy for India. BD is full of rivers and canals. Logistics can be a nightmare during the monsoon seasons. Back in those days there were barely any bridges, and most were destroyed.

I really doubt India had any such intentions. Taking on 65-70 million people just doesn't make any sense. Also even with the treaty with USSR, I doubt USSR would let India to make that move, the USSR is not going to underwrite joy rides. Friendship treatys has its perks and also limitations. BD had one of those with India. Basically big brother dictates the terms.

India hauled away all the military equipment as spoils of war. I don't want to get into other stuffs that were hauled away too. There was nothing to gain other than a country full of people ravaged by a war and totally pissed off.

 

[LaBong]

Which is more ridiculous? Bangladesh fought a guerrilla war and won? or India's army is so powerful that pakistan had to withdraw their soldiers after a week they decided to aid us?

India Army made the decisive blow without which half of BD population might had been wiped out by PA before independence. PA had no regard what so ever for Bangladeshi lives, they were indulging in hate crimes because of their contempt to "lowly beings of lowly land".

Anyway it's needless to tell you, unlike the kids here, you should know the history.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

Which is more ridiculous? Bangladesh fought a guerrilla war and won? or India's army is so powerful that pakistan had to withdraw their soldiers after a week they decided to aid us?

Yes pakistan was so fearful about Indian army that they withdrew within weeks but whole mighty 500000 Indian Army even after this long years could not make it in kashmir.... funny and ridiculous bharati delusion.... I just wonder with 1200 USD per capita GDP this big mouth bharatis think they are the king of universe ... just wondering what they would do if they would have per capita gdp like US or Canada approx. 40000-45000 USD...

 

[Vinod2070]

Which is more ridiculous? Bangladesh fought a guerrilla war and won? or India's army is so powerful that pakistan had to withdraw their soldiers after a week they decided to aid us?

This "or" should be replaced with an "and".

Yes, Bangladeshis fought bravely but they needed the IA to throw out the PA. The PA was a regular army and utterly ruthless.

A gorilla warfare was not going to dislodge them, it would have hurt them and they would take it out on civilians. That is what happened for several months till IA put an end to it.

 

[saleen_s7]

India Army made the decisive blow without which half of BD population might had been wiped out by PA before independence. PA had no regard what so ever for Bangladeshi lives, they were indulging in hate crimes because of their contempt to "lowly beings of lowly land".

Anyway it's needless to tell you, unlike the kids here, you should know the history.

I might offend a lot of bengalis here, but even the guerilla freedom fighters had little to do with the war. It was mainly General Zia, and the so called Mujib killers who did most of the fighting.

 

[paritosh]

After discussing the 1st 5 page and exposing the falsified bharati text book story that only cause of the bharatis bangladesh got independence... bharatis got back to the beginning from the 6th page....

As I said before pakistan was not a economic and military power to carry out war for a prolonged war.... at best 2 to 3 years as pakistani public and many other political party were against it... they remain quiet initially as yahya khan kept them in dark and was feeding propaganda...

This is what Imran khan was saying about 1971 war:

Bottom line bharatis did nothing ... at best they provided some assistance...thats it n bharatis they did it by themselves with evil interest break up pakistan and to make bangladesh a vessel state.... which bd people came to know within 10 years of the independence...

Bharatis came in the last 13 days when pakistani army was already in the process of surrendering... they just did not do it with the fear of revenge... as we already know the capability of the bharati army... as they even after hiding behind mukti bahini lost 1300 lives... n if bharatis would have been capable enough of winning war then by now this bharatis would have won kashmir by now....

Funny big mouth bharatis.... it is quite apparent this worthless bharatis can not handle truth.... specially when their diluted text book story get exposed...

who gets to decide what actually is the truth?
in that single post you presented a bizzare account of how BD got it's independence...
it matters less...it is true that we did whatever we did to serve our own selfish interests...most part of which was to stop your people from flooding our part of bengal...
we obviously were happy with an enemy sharing one border with us and not two...
whether you want to discount our support to your cause or not...the truth is...you are on your own...and always will be...price you have to pay for being independent.

 

[LaBong]

Actually India trained the irregular Mukti Bahinis. These were mostly students, professionals, farmers etc. India trained another group known as "Mujib Bahini",a creation of RAW, these are the Awami League cadres. Mujib Bahini was actually used to put down insurgency in Mizoram. The regular forces had professional soldiers somewhere between 10-20k ( if someone has an exact number, please post it). Which were increased to about 30k.

As far as occupation goes, I doubt it would be easy for India. BD is full of rivers and canals. Logistics can be a nightmare during the monsoon seasons. Back in those days there were barely any bridges, and most were destroyed.

I really doubt India had any such intentions. Taking on 65-70 million people just doesn't make any sense. Also even with the treaty with USSR, I doubt USSR would let India to make that move, the USSR is not going to underwrite joy rides. Friendship treatys has its perks and also limitations. BD had one of those with India. Basically big brother dictates the terms.

India hauled away all the military equipment as spoils of war. I don't want to get into other stuffs that were hauled away too. There was nothing to gain other than a country full of people ravaged by a war and totally pissed off.

While I don't want to make an issue out of it, but you're not considering the 'Bengali sentiment' of West Bengal into your equation. It took Indira almost a year before she agreed to go offensive, and Bengal lobby played it's part there.

 

[Vinod2070]

India hauled away all the military equipment as spoils of war. I don't want to get into other stuffs that were hauled away too. There was nothing to gain other than a country full of people ravaged by a war and totally pissed off.

I am not sure this is true but this would be what PA surrendered to the IA.

They had every right to do with it what they deemed fit.

 

[Vinod2070]

Yes pakistan was so fearful about Indian army that they withdrew within weeks but whole mighty 500000 Indian Army even after this long years could not make it in kashmir.... funny and ridiculous bharati delusion.... I just wonder with 1200 USD per capita GDP this big mouth bharatis think they are the king of universe ... just wondering what they would do if they would have per capita gdp like US or Canada approx. 40000-45000 USD...

There has not been an inch of Kashmir lost after 1948! What are you dreaming about?

We had a much smaller GDP/Capita in 1971 and still liberated you. That is what should matter to you.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

This "or" should be replaced with an "and".

Yes, Bangladeshis fought bravely but they needed the IA to throw out the PA. The PA was a regular army and utterly ruthless.

A gorilla warfare was not going to dislodge them, it would have hurt them and they would take it out on civilians. That is what happened for several months till IA put an end to it.

Come on stop your crap... just go n look at the news that I have posted at the beginning... Before coming your Indian army pakistani army was already in the process of surrendering but they did not do it cause fear of revenge... Your so called Indian army was hiding behind the freedom fighters n you are claiming they have made the decisive blow... funny... utter nonsense as usual from the big mouth bharatis...

 

[LaBong]

I might offend a lot of bengalis here, but even the guerilla freedom fighters had little to do with the war. It was mainly General Zia, and the so called Mujib killers who did most of the fighting.

All historical accounts say otherwise, however Zia did play his part.

 

[kingkobra]

There has not been an inch of Kashmir lost after 1948! What are you dreaming about?

We had a much smaller GDP/Capita in 1971 and still liberated you. That is what should matter to you.

i think we should have just let them die horrific death of genocide....i wonder what would have happened if he had not attacked east pakistan...may be two more zeros would have been added to death toll numbers..

Bangladesh Genocide Archive

 

[saleen_s7]

All historical accounts say otherwise, however Zia did play his part.

With all due respect, most of the accounts has been written thru awami biased writer and sympathisers, which has been highly exaggerated and worst of all, emotions played great role. It was mainly col taher, zia, siraj sikdar, and all the other controversial people who played great roles on the war. However, India did play its role and it did assist us throughout the way by providing us refuge and at the end offer us some help. But it would be insane to take entire credit for the war.

 

[CaPtAiN_pLaNeT]

There has not been an inch of Kashmir lost after 1948! What are you dreaming about?

We had a much smaller GDP/Capita in 1971 and still liberated you. That is what should matter to you.

Same old crap... you did nothing ... this is our freedom fighter who has achieved it... your bharati army were just some worthless junk and their capability was exposed in the sino indian war... n they will give independence... to BD ... funny... At best you can claim we provided some assistance other then that the war may last another year or 2... as pakistan already had financial constraint and public opinion was against it...

The issue is not what you lost or did not lost since 1948... issue is if bharati army was so capable then they would have won the whole kashmir by now... but your army did never had the capability and also does not have the capability now...

N stop remain in delusion that your bharati army liberated bangladesh ... as if bharati army would have had the capability they would have done it just after the start of the war... this would not take 10 month... when by this time freedom fighters almost exhausted the pakistani army... n in the last 13 days bharati army came hiding behind the freedom fighters and surrender happens specially as pakistani army was not ready to surrender to the bangladeshi due to dear of revenge... this also demolish the claim that pakistani army surrendered to India as they defeated it...