Belarus President Arrive in Islamabad for 3 days visit

[A-Team]

Well it all started in 1950's . Pakistan wanted which you described as friendly relationship with Afghanistan. But they shouted pashtunistan . And i hope you also know Afghanistan was the only country that didn't accepted Pakistan in UN and attacked us. And got defeated. After that any sane government and military leadership would not trust them. Same is the case with Pakistani Government and Establishment. That is why when I said friendly or government which it can influence.
The main reason is trust deficit.
And as far as our relationship with China is conserned . They are historical . In times of need we helped each other out. Even it was Pakistan that introduced China in UN . And even if you say anything about our relationship it wont effect us a single bit.

And now speaking of your relationship with India. And why Pakistani government wants to take them out. As soon as Taliban were defeated in 2002. Afghans gave full support to indian assets to launch proxy war against Pakistan. The blood bath we saw was in Baluchistan and KPK. The 14 indian consulates in Afghanistan are prime example of those. So it was natural reaction from Pakistani side to launch counter offensive against indian and Afghan government who is backing these proxies. And i dont know you know it or not ,before that Pakistan was actively catching Taliban and Al Qaeda leadership in Pakistan. The main examples are Khalid Shiekh and Razi Yousuf.
But once you again started to look towards pashtunistan or greater Afghanistan. We had to put you in your place

Very simplistic view of history, but I urge you to read the following reads to get an alternative view of the subject as opposed to what is being attributed to Pak-Afghan differences by GHQ

- Ghost wars by Steve Coll
- Crossed Swords by Shuja Nawaz
- Magnificent delusions by Hussain Haqqani

 

[TMA]

NUG isolated? Seems you are not reading the news these days, just a quick example today the Brussels conference with more than 70 countries and 20 international organisations and agencies represented.

In total 8 plus billion to be given each year to NUG.




Su 27 is a good bird.

You misunderstood. I meant that the NUG should stop letting terrorists and their foreign backers from using Afghan territory to destabilise Pakistan.
Afghanistan is been used for this purpose.

 

[A-Team]

When we look back we found the good relation ship between Afghanistan and India since 1947, but Afghan govt never involved in any tension between Pak India such as 1948,1965 and 1971 wars. The exist Afghan govt is 100% show Afghanistan as Indian colony,which is fain full for us.
Indian govt always used their ally countries for her intrust.

You said it yourself that we didn't take any side in any of your conflicts between India including those wars, so this defeats your argument. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

You misunderstood. I meant that the NUG should stop letting terrorists and their foreign backers from using Afghan territory to destabilise Pakistan.
Afghanistan is been used for this purpose.

Good question.

- Let us ask China be as a third party to verify which soil is used against who? You say elements use Afghan soil against Pakistan and we say that elements use Pakistani soil againsts afghanistan, lets decide on China being a third party to verify all these allegations and then we take actions collectively.

Sounds good to you?

 

[barbarosa]

You said it yourself that we didn't take any side in any of your conflicts between India including those wars, so this defeats your argument. Stop shooting yourself in the foot

Today we are looking thousand of Indian embassies in Afghanistan.

 

[Hammad Arshad Qureshi]

Very simplistic view of history, but I urge you to read the following reads to get an alternative view of the subject as opposed to what is being attributed to Pak-Afghan differences by GHQ

- Ghost wars by Steve Coll
- Crossed Swords by Shuja Nawaz
- Magnificent delusions by Hussain Haqqani

Sure i would love to read them. But what is your narrative to the objections Pakistani government and normal public have of Afghanistan relation ship with Pakistan?

 

[Khan_21]

Good question.

- Let us ask China be as a third party to verify which soil is used against who? You say elements use Afghan soil against Pakistan and we say that elements use Pakistani soil againsts afghanistan, lets decide on China being a third party to verify all these allegations and then we take actions collectively.

Sounds good to you?

I don't think Pakistan will be happy letting China in on this . Neither would the govt let any other third party because Pakistan is speaking from a position of strength and alot of leverage on Afghanistan . The odd militant that crosses over will be dealt with . It's not worth losing all the leverage we enjoy over you by bringing in neutral people .

 

[A-Team]

Sure i would love to read them. But what is your narrative to the objections Pakistani government and normal public have of Afghanistan relation ship with Pakistan?

My narrative is simple, let us go of the past as there are no white doves in our part of the region.
Let us solve the fundamental issues be the durand line, water issues, proxies etc through dialogue.
Let us respect each other sovereignty and open all routes for commerce.

Instead for wrangling with each other and be considered as backward region should empower each other to compete with the rest of the world. What are we lacking that the developed world has? Nothing we just need to get our shit together and move beyond Zero Sum games.

Simplistic yes, but does give a place to start.

I don't think Pakistan will be happy letting China in on this . Neither would the govt let any other third party because Pakistan is speaking from a position of strength and alot of leverage on Afghanistan . The odd militant that crosses over will be dealt with . It's not worth losing all the leverage we enjoy over you by bringing in neutral people .

There you go, self defeating position. Today you are strong, the next day I will be strong and this circus will continue.

We need a narrative along the lines of EU, where by we move on from zero sum games into one where everyone wins.
It is about the size of the pie my friend, why have a smaller one where each one of us fight it out like wolves, but let us have a big *** pie where everyone eats to the full

 

[Khan_21]

There you go, self defeating position. Today you are strong, the next day I will be strong and this circus will continue.

We need a narrative along the lines of EU, where by we move on from zero sum games into one where everyone wins.
It is about the size of the pie my friend, why have a smaller one where each one of us fight it out like wolves, but let us have a big *** pie where everyone eats to the full

The EU works because most countries are of the same level when it comes to GDP , Development , Infrastructure etc etc . If we have an EU system here with no visa , Living rights everywhere than Islamabad and Lahore will turn into Kabul and Mazar e sharif the next day . No one would want to live in Afghanistan and that will create a vacuum then . We can have such system with Iran , India , because our living standards , economy are almost of the same level . EU is a sinking ship these days btw . So it's not really an Ideal block because Germany , UK , France gets to bully others . Greece the recent example where they were bullied by Germany into doing things they didn't want to do .

China , Russia , Israel have more problems with their neighbours than us .All regional powers have problems with their neighbours its not unique. As for having a bigger pie I agree but for that Afghanistan has to solve its internal problems . But as you know Afghans are not ready to do that . How much has NUG achieved in corruption ? what has NUG done for security? Jobs ? infrastructure ? economy ? . I don't think they have done much because they have a 80 % negative rating from Afghan public . Solve all the myriad of internal problems and then everyone will be ready to deal with you . Otherwise Afghanistan and Pan - regional development will just remain a dream .

 

[A-Team]

The EU works because most countries are of the same level when it comes to GDP , Development , Infrastructure etc etc . If we have an EU system here with no visa , Living rights everywhere than Islamabad and Lahore will turn into Kabul and Mazar e sharif the next day . No one would want to live in Afghanistan and that will create a vacuum then . We can have such system with Iran , India , because our living standards , economy are almost of the same level . EU is a sinking ship these days btw . So it's not really an Ideal block because Germany , UK , France gets to bully others . Greece the recent example where they were bullied by Germany into doing things they didn't want to do .

China , Russia , Israel have more problems with their neighbours than us .All regional powers have problems with their neighbours its not unique. As for having a bigger pie I agree but for that Afghanistan has to solve its internal problems . But as you know Afghans are not ready to do that . How much has NUG achieved in corruption ? what has NUG done for security? Jobs ? infrastructure ? economy ? . I don't think they have done much because they have a 80 % negative rating from Afghan public . Solve all the myriad of internal problems and then everyone will be ready to deal with you . Otherwise Afghanistan and Pan - regional development will just remain a dream .

Have you seen the difference between Romania and Norway?

 

[Khan_21]

Have you seen the difference between Romania and Norway?

Yes but the smaller less powerful countries get bullied around by Germany . have a look at what Happened to Greece . Germany bullied it into deals that it didn't want to get into but it had to because it was a part of EU . EU is a sinking ship and people are going out of it . UK was wise enough to see that .

 

[Muhammad Omar]

Pakistan, Belarus sign 14 agreements, MoUs

Pakistan and Belarus have signed fourteen agreements and MoUs in the fields of trade, finance, science and technology, vocational training, education and culture.

The understanding came during talks between the delegations of the two countries, led by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif and the visiting President of Belarus Alexander Lukashenko in Islamabad on Wednesday.

Welcoming the visiting delegation, the Prime Minister said that Pakistan values its relations with Belarus. ‘Our two countries enjoy a warm, cordial and multi-faceted relationship. Pakistan is keen to forge closer ties with Belarus in all fields including trade, economy, investment, industry, education, defence, agriculture, culture and other areas’, said the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister said that the momentum of increased high level exchanges between the two countries needs to be maintained.
The Prime Minister informed the visiting President that his government is focused on reviving the economy, overcoming the

energy shortage . ‘We are committed to good governance, curbing corruption, ensuring fiscal discipline and widening the tax base to revive the economy to its true potential’, added the Prime Minister. The Prime Minister further said that Pakistan today is one of the most investor friendly countries; offering excellent opportunities for foreign investors with investment-friendly regulations and a huge market of nearly 200 million people.

The Prime Minister said, ‘I am happy to note that both sides have established various platforms and tools to promote trade, business and investment between the two countries, which provides a solid basis for enhancing multi-dimensional relations’. The Prime Minister further said that establishment of Joint Trade Committee is an important vehicle to identify bottlenecks and resolve issues in trade relations of both the countries. The Prime Minister noted that both the Joint Economic Commission and the Joint Trade Committee are actively pursuing these issues.

Mr. Alexander Lukashenko, President of Belarus said that Belarus has significant expertise in building of heavy machinery including automotive engineering, agricultural harvesting machinery, road construction machinery and dump trucks. He added that both sides can develop joint ventures and business-to-business contacts in these areas.

Mr. Alexander Lukashenko further said that Belarus and Pakistan need to explore the possibility of creating joint ventures for the production and processing of wide range of agricultural products, including the production of milk powder, other dairy products, textiles, auto parts, surgical instruments, pharmaceuticals and other areas of mutual benefit.

The President applauded the government of Pakistan for making huge successes in the revival of economy. The president supported Pakistan’s stance in nuclear supply group.

Talking in the context of regional peace and stability, the Prime Minister said that Pakistan pursues the policy of maintaining good relations with all its neighbours. ‘Pakistan wants peaceful resolution of all outstanding issues with India, including the issue of Jammu and Kashmir. I want to thank you for your expression of support for peaceful resolution of kadhmir dispute said the Prime Minister.

Nawaz Sharif further said that India has deliberately escalated tensions at the LoC in order to divert the attention of the international community from the grave situation in the Indian occupied Jammu and Kashmir.

He informed the visiting President that more than 110 innocent people have lost their lives, and more than 12000 have been injured, with hundreds in critical condition.

"More than 700 people have suffered severe eye injuries due to the use of pellet guns by the Indian occupation forces and more than 150 have become permanently blind," said the Prime Minister.

 

[N.Siddiqui]

• Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif welcomed Mr Alexander Lukashenko, President of Belarus on his arrival at PM House Islamabad
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[ghauri05]

They don't do anything without the blessings of mother Russia.
Now why is another question I don't think Punit want you at the cost of India

Now this is the main point, which indians fail to understand, india is going to use Russian weapons for at least 2030, and if PAKFA comes online then the duration can easily increase to 2070, meanwhile russia is going to supply nuclear power plants to indian by some 2025.....all the points are not leverage for india but for russia...it simply means india is in russia's pockets for a foreseeable time, not the other way round. So russia is not going to compromise india, it will keep making $$$$ from india and reshaping its foreign policy according to her own interests, not that of india's.
And the recent joint military exercise b/w pak n russia are a clear evidence that ruskies are interested in pak.
they will keep on supplying weapons to india , but also maintaining n improving relations with pak.

 

[volatile]

Tractors manufacturing in Pakistan? They made good ones. Where else we can cooperate?

I think small car segment has tremendous opportunity but lets see

 

[Sergi]

Now this is the main point, which indians fail to understand, india is going to use Russian weapons for at least 2030, and if PAKFA comes online then the duration can easily increase to 2070, meanwhile russia is going to supply nuclear power plants to indian by some 2025.....all the points are not leverage for india but for russia...it simply means india is in russia's pockets for a foreseeable time, not the other way round. So russia is not going to compromise india, it will keep making $$$$ from india and reshaping its foreign policy according to her own interests, not that of india's.
And the recent joint military exercise b/w pak n russia are a clear evidence that ruskies are interested in pak.
they will keep on supplying weapons to india , but also maintaining n improving relations with pak.

I don't think anybody fail to understand anything here. You too understand it very well but you draw the wrong conclusion.
1. India and Russia have no reason to be each other's enemies.
2. India doesn't have problems with Russia making good relations with Pak. We all know why.
3. Russia doesn't have problems with India making good relations with USA as they know it's not directed at them.
4. No reason to be "enemies"
5. Now point is , is their any reason to be friends??? Answer will be and should be YES. Russian economy runs on 2 things Arms and oil/gas. Russia simply doesn't and won't lose the worlds largest importer of weapons for no reason. So Russia won't break the relations
6. Now from India side , India too won't break relations with Russia cause of past and no need to do so. But India might scale down its dependence on Russia if Russians cooperate with PAK on larger defence deals that might cause India trouble. But I don't think they will do it and Pak simply doesn't have economy to buy it. Plus if Pak can buy anything then I guess first option would be China and not Russia.
7 anyways India has reduced its dependence on one single country for decade now.
8. MKIs are made from scratch since years now and FGFA is join project so sharing is on table.
9. India can maintain and manage N power plant without Russian help. Doing it for decades now.
There is more but I guess this is sufficient