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Battle of Badr: The first of the great battles of Islam

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A great stepping stone for the muslims

Power comes and goes muslims have had some of the most powerful empires the world has ever known, those times will come again

This is one of the vital battles that ensured the survival of islam
 
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I will wait for your reply from either Ibn Hisham or Ibn Ishaq of the account you claim.
Seriously? Can't you read from the above source?

All you've done is typed ''plunder'' and can't even read the full pages. Copy and paste the whole page! Where is (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham pg428 of what you copied and pasted before?

There is NO account in your bogus link and in above mentioned reference!
 
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All you've done is typed ''plunder'' and can't even read the full pages. Copy and paste the whole page! Where is (Ibn Ishaq/Hisham pg428 of what you copied and pasted before?
The account is there. The reason why you can't find it is that I have linked to the translation, while you are reading from the originals with different page number.
 
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What in realy you doing is you are reading Norwigian or English translations of those books hence the problem arises...Arabic language is very complected hence to get the real translation becomes more challenging...

True! But the account @Norwegian describes is NOT in Ibn Hisham and Ibn Ishaq. I have the Arabic as well! I've challenged the site she's used and the references are LIES!

The account is there. The reason why you can't find it is that I have linked to the translation, while you are reading from the originals with different page number.

Copy and PASTE the translation on here for ALL to see!

You can send me the Arabic as well! I got the Arabic book of Ibn Hisham. I told you this is studied in the Madrassa!
 
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thanks for sharing this which I have missed so far. I will have to authenticate it though because the prelude to Badr and Hamza's R.A conversation with Muhammad PBUH recorded by narraters and dramatised in the movie the Message contradicts this claim that Muslims were resorting violence/ deadly force as a justification to the persecution they faced in Mecca.. of course the Quranic verses before Badr changed all that when Muhammad PBUH gave the go ahead to militarily confront Meccans.
still having an open mind I would say that Abu Sufyan and his colleagues over reacted or exaggerated the threat to them although there was little to none hoping to finish off the Muslims while they were there. @Srinivas I stand corrected re caravans. sorry my knowledge is also challenged
 
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Hay norwegian...have norway ever won a war ???? Or fought one???*
 
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We should all take note of the victory at badr and ensure our children know of this battle and its importance
 
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Hay norwegian...have norway ever won a war ???? Or fought one???*
Norway is the place of Vikings , one the most successful and efficient warriors the world has ever seen.
so short answer is yes, they fought and won a lot and their influence was spread over all Europe.

he got no clue, this is how you egg someone on the face.
Vikings the best women stealers of their enemies and unmatched warriors if they ever came to India then they would have left their mark as well
 
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Norway is the place of Vikings , one the most successful and efficient warriors the world has ever seen.
so short answer is yes, they fought and won a lot and their influence was spread over all Europe.

Vikings were like ISIS

Ive always found it strange westerners celebrating the vikings
 
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why this battle is linked to religion ?
because it is the first war fought for Islam and Muslims in the command of Our HOLY PROPHET MUHAMMAD P.B.U.H...
the kuffar of makkah many times stopped trade of madina and also kill many citizen's of madina whenever they came out of madina for any work or trade.
So a myth reached makah that the madinian's are planing to stop the trade convey of makah to loot it. so they arranged an army of 1000 men's and procedded towards madina. they even proceeded after knowing that "muslims are not attacking or thinking to attack their convey. but they still preceded .news came to muslims of madina of an army aproaching madina. and they hardly arranged 313 mens, 2 horses ,2 swords and 70 camels. armies met at badar. and fought a war.
i think it's clear now ? as i UNnecessarily elaborated much enough.
 
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Norway is the place of Vikings , one the most successful and efficient warriors the world has ever seen.
so short answer is yes, they fought and won a lot and their influence was spread over all Europe.

The Norwegian hasn't done a great job in wining on this thread.
 
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you see your post is based on some sketchy information and you formed your opinion upon it. I have no issue with that as long as your POV is purely academic and doesnt have a hidden motive of causing an offence.

the trail of events if you like are similar to other Ibrahamic faiths. the Messenger and his followers are always persecuted because he breaks the status quo.

your statement, it was Muslims who provoked the Meccans is like saying it was Jews who provoked the German Nazis (a belief still held among the far right fascists in the west). like the previous prophets Muhammad PBUH spoke against the injustice and presented an alternative set of belifs, the Meccans chose to be provoked or offended instead of listening to him yet another natural reaction powered by self interest and fear of loosing power.

I mean Meccans were bound to be "provoked" when their own fellow Meccan from a respected family and clan said that poor and rich, Arabs and Non- Arabs were same ..that was utterly unthinkable and blasphemous for the rich and mighty,
as for Meccans coming with offers to Muhammad PBUH to give up his beliefs is concerned then that too is also not something noble. any rich and mighty tried bribe or coercion to get his way. they tried that too although in the same time they were persecuting the Muslims through torture, boycott , harassments and exclusions.

your final statement needs some verification. Muslims had never ever fought or attacked before Badr so raiding Meccan caravans was out of question, it was infact Abu Sufyan one of the influential member of Meccan elite who saw an opportunity to destroy Muslims through a false accusation of attack on his caravan which was never attacked. he duped his own allies who came rushing to his aid when it was not needed but then decided to stay and finish off the Muslims.

A dialogue is very interesting between him and an another meccan who says "know your honor Abu Sufyan" then Abu Sufyan says "my honor is on the back of my camels" (meaning its all about money and power / honor that brings)


it was a modest skirmish but a stepping stone that set things in motion. although its victory didnt deter the siege of madina and the defeat of Ohd but it set Muslims course. Badr was thee first practical display of hostilities where former friends, brothers, slaves and masters fathers and sons came across each other as mortal enemies,

I do not wish to drag this discussion here mate ... which may hurt the sentiments of people here !
 
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It was here that a band of 313 Muslims, mostly unarmed and with two horses and 70 camels between them, led by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him.


And indeed Allah assisted you at Badr when you were weak, so be careful (to your duty) to Allah so that you may be of the thankful ones. When you said to the believers ‘Does it not suffice that your Lord should assist you with three thousand angels sent down.’ Sura Aal-e-Imran 3:123 & 124.

The battle of Badr was the first of the great battles of Islam. The faithfuls were put to the first real test during this battle.

The importance of the Battle of Badr cannot be over-estimated. In the long chain of significant events in the history of Prophet Muhammad’s (peace be upon him) struggle against the Makkan oppressors, it was an event after which the early Muslim community felt itself free to make rapid advances. Badr represented the first major test to the new and nascent organisation founded by the Prophet.

No one was aware of the importance of the outcome of the battle as the Prophet (peace be upon hom) himself. We might read the depth of his anxiety in his prayer before the beginning of the battle when he stood up supplicating his Lord: “God this is Quraish. It has come with all its arrogance and boastfulness, trying to discredit Thy Apostle. God, I ask Thee to humiliate them tomorrow. God, if this Muslim band will perish today, Thou shall not be worshipped.”

The Battle of Badr was fought on the 17th of Ramadan in 624 AD (the second year of the Hijra) about 50 miles south-west of Madina near the point where the then Madina-Syria caravan route wound its way through a difficult terrain.

It was here that a band of 313 Muslims, mostly unarmed and with two horses and 70 camels between them, led by Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), met a well-armed and well-equipped army of their pagan enemies of Makkah, numbered over a thousand, and won, by God’s help, a splendid victory that established the standard of truth never to be lowered again.

The Makkah army had among its leaders some of the most experienced warriors of Arabia including Abu Jahl, the inveterate foe and persecutor of Islam. After individual combats, according to the customs of Arabia, between Hamza, Ali and Obaidah on the side of the Muslims and three braves from the Makkah ranks, a pitched battle ensued. The stakes were great. Both the forces fought valiantly but the Muslims were animated by holy zeal.

It was impossible, without the miraculous aid of God, for such a small and ill-equipped force, as was the Muslim band, to defeat the large and well-equipped force of the enemy. But their firmness, zeal and discipline won them divine aid.

The Battle of Badr came in the wake of the worst kind of persecution of Muslims. The Prophet of Islam and his devoted band of followers had patiently endured untold hardship, tyranny and oppression for 13 years and ultimately had to abandon their hearths and homes, sacrificing whatever worldly possession they had.

The little exiled community of Makkah Muslims, with their friends in Madina, had organised themselves into a God-fearing community, but were constantly in danger of being attacked by their pagan enemies of Makkah, in alliance with some of the disaffected elements (Jews and hypocrites) in or near Madina itself. The design of the Makkans was to gather all the resources they could, and with an overwhelming force, to crush and annihilate the Prophet and his party.

To this end, Abu Saufyan, a leader of the pagan Makkah was leading a richly laden caravan from Syria to Makkah. He called for armed aid from Makkah. There were two alternatives before Muslims in Madina, to have themselves being overwhelmed by the Makkans with all the resources from the rich Syrian trade. One which had least danger for the time being and also promised much booty, was to fall upon the caravan returning from Syria with only 40 men unarmed. From a worldly point of view, this was the safest and most lucrative course.

The other alternative which was actually adopted on the recommendation of the apostle by the guidance of God, was to leave the booty alone and march out boldly against the well-armed and well-equipped army of 1,000 men coming from Makkah. The Muslims had no more than 300 men, ill armed to oppose the force. But if they could defeat it, it would shake the selfish autocracy which was in possession in Makkah.

The consequence of the victory at Badr was, therefore, far reaching. It gave the nascent Muslim state of Madina the much needed self-confidence and moral strength to stand on its own at a time when the holy Prophet had almost lost all hopes of withstanding the persecution. It dealt a severe blow to the prestige of pagan Makkah..

(The writer is a former Khaleej Times staffer)
Battle of Badr: The first of the great battles of Islam - Khaleej Times Mobile
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Ohh, I thought you talking about OP Badr.
 
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Norway is the place of Vikings , one the most successful and efficient warriors the world has ever seen.
so short answer is yes, they fought and won a lot and their influence was spread over all Europe.


he got no clue, this is how you egg someone on the face.
Vikings the best women stealers of their enemies and unmatched warriors if they ever came to India then they would have left their mark as well

The vikings would have been slaughtered against effective plain warriors like mughals due to their exceptional horsemanship and use of composite bows

Although were talking about different time periods and fighting styles
 
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