Battle of ALCMs : BrahMos A vs Pakistan’s Ra’ad

[zebra7]

Ra'ad is superior to Brahmos in every regard except speed. Moreover, it can also deliver a nuclear strike on enemy.

It's not even a contest. Ra'ad is a much, much, much superior weapon system than brahmos

To indiots who are saying "Brahmos is impossible to intercept. Ra'ad is easy to intercept"..both of these statements are false.

United States (most advance and capable military in history) has scores upon scores of sub-sonic stealthy cruise missiles in its arsenal--you think U.S planners are less smarter than you idiots hailing from a sh!thole called india?

Ra'ad is subsonic but stealthy, maneuverable, and can fly extremely low. "Intercepting" it is probably harder than loud-roaring Russian missile indians are so exaggerating about

Are Janab, question is how it is superior technically like initial guidance, more survival than brahmos, could hit the movable target ect.

U.S had sub-sonic stealthy cruise missile, because they have to cover large part of distance, taking the size of the USSR and to force the USSR to increase its Air Defence manifold, which is also one of the reason for the collapse of the mighty USSR. BTW that was Cold War Era and USA is also working on Scamjet based Hypersonic Missile, and could you tell me, why European are now working on 300 KM supersonic anti shiping Cruise missile.

Raa'd is stealthy, but with good Air Defence like Aerostat based radar coverage, 3D radar, and early warning systems and integrated air defence system it could be detected, tracked way long before it reached its target, and once detected, a fighter plane could kill it using guns, rocket, or missile.

How many test were done, before it was inducted.

 

[Falcon26]

Strangely enough the whole of Europe went for a Subsonic cruise missile instead of a supersonic one.
Eurofighter Typhoon and F-35 do not have any supersonic Cruise missile for Ground attack , but Storm shadow subsonic.
If supersonic cruise missiles were that god why USA or Europe don't have any in their inventory?

Not just Europe, even the US prefers it's subsonic Tomahawk cruise missiles as compared to these Russian/Chinese style supersonics which India is fascinated with.

 

[GuardianRED]

When he declined to comment, how do you know that we dont have it ? just because he declined to comment ?

This is a second article i have read calming the same - the first one was posted by a user here on PDF - source a PAF officer who said that the Jf17 CAN operate the CM400 BUT the PAF hasn't brought it in its inventory.

What u can do is simple, (this is a debate yes?) provide the contrary

 

[Falcon26]

The CM-400 is already integrated with the JF-17. PAF is the largest operator and co-developer of the JF-17. If the CM-400 is integrated on the JF-17, it can be concluded that PAF is already operating or will operate this missile

https://defence.pk/threads/cm-400akg-missile-is-chinas-new-carrier-killer-russian-media.288892/

 

[gslv mk3]

Not just Europe, even the US prefers it's subsonic Tomahawk cruise missiles as compared to these Russian/Chinese style supersonics which India is fascinated wit

See the infograph in my post on the previous page

 

[GuardianRED]

The CM-400 is already integrated with the JF-17. PAF is the largest operator and co-developer of the JF-17. If the CM-400 is integrated on the JF-17, it can be concluded that PAF is already operating or will operate this missile

https://defence.pk/threads/cm-400akg-missile-is-chinas-new-carrier-killer-russian-media.288892/

There is a HUGE Difference between integrated and Actual usage! That is why the discussion with @salarsikander

"Making its second international appearance was the CASIC CM-400AKG Mach-5 speed ground attack missile. A Pakistani official noted it did not have "passive" guidance, which might enable attacks against mobile targets such as ships, but has inertial navigational system/GPS guidance for attacking fixed targets.

Asked whether the CM-400AKG was in Pakistani service an official responded with a pointed "no comment"."

http://web.archive.org/web/20160421...ghter-flying-with-indigenous-chinese-turbofan

 

[Falcon26]

There is a HUGE Difference between integrated and Actual usage! That is why the discussion with @salarsikander

"Making its second international appearance was the CASIC CM-400AKG Mach-5 speed ground attack missile. A Pakistani official noted it did not have "passive" guidance, which might enable attacks against mobile targets such as ships, but has inertial navigational system/GPS guidance for attacking fixed targets.

Asked whether the CM-400AKG was in Pakistani service an official responded with a pointed "no comment"."

http://web.archive.org/web/20160421...ghter-flying-with-indigenous-chinese-turbofan

I think you are being incredibly unreasonable here. The CM-400 has been integrated with the JF-17. Even the JF-17 pictured with the missile is Pakistani. Which's more likely, PAF not operating the CM-400 or your insane claims? I hope you don't get shocked like your Indian nation the first time the Babur was tested.

 

[GuardianRED]

I think you are being incredibly unreasonable here. The CM-400 has been integrated with the JF-17. Even the JF-17 pictured with the missile is Pakistani. Which's more likely, PAF not operating the CM-400 or your insane claims? I hope you don't get shocked like your Indian nation the first time the Babur was tested.

NOT my Insane Claims , U read the article it is dated 2015 ??!! and yes if there is info there tell the contrary other than some airshows pictures! Pls post it - thats it - There is no Shocking involved

 

[Ultima Thule]

There is a HUGE Difference between integrated and Actual usage! That is why the discussion with @salarsikander

"Making its second international appearance was the CASIC CM-400AKG Mach-5 speed ground attack missile. A Pakistani official noted it did not have "passive" guidance, which might enable attacks against mobile targets such as ships, but has inertial navigational system/GPS guidance for attacking fixed targets.

Asked whether the CM-400AKG was in Pakistani service an official responded with a pointed "no comment"."

http://web.archive.org/web/20160421...ghter-flying-with-indigenous-chinese-turbofan

what a great logic you have its basically a anti ship missile kid not a ground attack missile it can hit mobile target with ease," no comment" does not mean we have not CM-400, go kid live in your fantasy world and wet dream

 

[GuardianRED]

what a great logic you have its basically a anti ship missile kid not a ground attack missile it can hit mobile target with ease," no comment" does not mean we have not CM-400, go kid live in your fantasy world and wet dream

WOW....A Standard Reply to when one has to Dodge A Question!! , please try again with a more Intelligent Answer!

 

[John Reese]

why indians think "blogs" are a credible source?
Brahmos will breach MTCR if carries nuclear warhead.

India is member of MTCR first
It's Russian not supplying Nuclear weapons to India .Brahmos missile seeker to 80% content of the module development

Missile system clearly capable as it can carry conventional &Nuclear warheads

Again source

http://m.thehindu.com/news/internat...ic-super-weapon-capability/article3994856.ece

If Indian source is not genuine to neutral

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/opinion...rld-commentary/cruise-missile-threat-in-asia/

From the on of best international portals
http://missilethreat.com/brahmos-set-to-become-a-super-rocket/

What source you that Babur or raad is Nuclear capable. Or even Pakistani's have nuke of that size except claims

Or there even operational

 

[GuardianRED]

India is member of MTCR first
It's Russian not supplying Nuclear weapons to India .Brahmos missile seeker to 80% content of the module development

Missile system clearly capable as it can carry conventional &Nuclear warheads

What source you that Babur or raad is Nuclear capable. Or even Pakistani's have nuke of that size except claims

Or there even operational

Sorry Out of Topic

Pal... Excellent username!.... Me too fan of POI, sad it ended!

 

[John Reese]

Sorry Out of Topic

Pal... Excellent username!.... Me too fan of POI, sad it ended!

Yeah sad to
Guess john should get nice ending instead tragic one

 

[Ultima Thule]

WOW....A Standard Reply to when one has to Dodge A Question!! , please try again with a more Intelligent Answer!

CM-400 is based on YJ-12 which is anti ship missile, so primary mission for CM-400 is anti ship and secondary land attack, CM-400 was inducted by PAF in 2012, sorry baby to burst your bubbles as usual Indian superiority complex

 

[John Reese]

CM-400 is based on YJ-12 which is anti ship missile, so primary mission for CM-400 is anti ship and secondary land attack, CM-400 was inducted by PAF in 2012, sorry baby to burst your bubbles as usual Indian superiority complex

Child CM-400 is not some mythical missile

Klub N And S are way more full fledged CM missile than CM 400