To Mahatir... Please Note that because I am a new member, I cannot yet post links until I reach 29 posts
''Lies , Egypt was given 9%% of water niles by Britain in 1929 agreement , Egypt then gave up parts of its share to Sudan based on 1959 agreement where Egypt received 75% and Sudan 25% at that time Egypt population was 22 million while Sudan barely 9 million in addition to that fact Egypt does not have other rivers or rainy seasons like Sudan .''
Salam brother am back,
LMFAO who cares in this, the 21st century what Britain gave Egypt?? On that time, 90% of Africa was still colonized and ruled by European powers. African countries had no ''say'' in what took place within those negotiations. Now it is the time that countries like Ethiopia take back what is geographically ''theirs''. Its a joke to give Egypt 86% of the water yet the country where the Nile originates from has to negotiate a deal to use its waters.
''Egyptian leadership were stupid to give 2/3 of Sudan and Egypt land mass to Sudan even though at that time in 1958 Egypt had 3 times more people than Sudan .''
LMAO another joke, bruv, who the heck told you that Egypt owned Sudan? XD Before colonization, the Sudanese mahadist forces occupied most of modern day Sudan after defeating the ottomans in 1885. Egypt on the other hand barely had any control of its own land being constantly colonized by foreign powers since the days of the pharaohs. There was 1 british adinistration for 2 states. That does not mean that Sudan was ''ever'' an integral part of Egypt. It was never our choice.
Check Mahadist state borders,
''Lies again Halayeb is an integral part of Egypt and it is located north of 22 line which is the official borders between Egypt and Sudan .''
According to the 1899 Agreement between Egypt and Britain. In 1902, Halaiib falls under Sudanese ownership even after indepence in 1902. So check your records.
''The Beja tribes have been seeking independence from Sudan by forming their Eastern Sudan State as a result of discrimination by central government in Khartoum.''
I don't know whats funnier. The fact that you use a ''wikipedia'' source to back up your claim, or that you don't actually know what is actually written on your link XD. It clearly states the the Beja front has been complaining of Egyptian ''occupation'' of the Halaiib triangle. but leaving that aside for now, The eastern front never offically ''asked'' for independence. They simply demanded a fairer share of oil revenues alongside more political representation. both of what they have received. So I suggest you close that door because them groups are amongst the most powerful within the Sudanese government today.
''You did not mention why Egypt Officially took over Halayeb in 1995 ? Do you remember what your government did back then when they attempted to Assassinate the Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in Ethiopia ?''
Until this day, there is no ''proof'' that Sudan has officially attempted the assasination of Husni Mubarak. There is a distinction between ''accused'' and ''guilty''. I don't remember how many times Mubarak and Bashir shared a coffee at some palace. Either way, that does not mean Egypt can just take what is not hers and expect to be backed up in some fantasy negotiations.
''Ethiopian Government even decided to cut their diplomatic ties with Sudanese Government as a result of their support for terrorism and attempt to assassinate Egyptian president in Adis Ababa in 1995 .''
Like stated above, There is no proof of This until this day that Sudan attempted the murder of a foreign person. Countries cut diplomatic relations and restore them very easily. That is something very common and see everyday in the middle east. just like that fantasy accusation that Qatar supports terrorism globally. End of the day, Ethiopia has worked hard, even though it has little, to convince theworld in ending Sudans isolation. You guys didn't, shame....
''There are also Sudanese channels on Youtube that makes fun of Egyptian and even insulting their women calling them whores . Many Sudanese on Youtube call for a genocide against Egypt and even transferring the nile to Israel like this Sudanese from Sudan Army below.''
And you of course, like a little kid believe everything that is said and start crying like a baby lmao dude chill. Can someone, with a good level of IQ possibly believe that the ''NILE'' can be diverted to Israel without passing Egyptian territory? If that was even possible I wouldn't have mind doing that myself lmao. God, I don't wanna imagine how things would have been if this river was flowing from North to South like most other rives in the world. Seems like god gave us a safe geographic position for the future. I personally, like most Sudanese, do not want genocide of egyptians. like I said, egyptians are victims of bad governance like us. but the imaginary 1959 agreement is dead.
''Arab countries continously insult each other whether Morroco Vs Algeria or Kuwait Vs Iraq , this is not a valid reason to hate a country . Egypt never waged war on Sudan and if that happened Sudan would have been partitioned into 5 countries today . You know that the central government in Sudan holds the country through military power and suppressing others by brute force . People in Darfur , Beja region , Blue Nile and South Kurdofan are all seeking independence or Autonomy from Sudan either through Armed insurgencies or Political activism.''
Another fail,
what other arab countries treat each other like is the last of my worries. I care about Egyot which we happened to share our 2nd longest border with. LMAO is that supposed to be a threat, you are seriously overestimating egypts influence and power. Egypt ''cannot'' partition Sudan in 5 countries. I don't know what your media has been feeding you, but that is utterly unrealistic. Look at Sinai today and then dream about partitioning other countries. Again, I urge you to update your political knowledge because ''NON'' of these regions you mentioned is officially asking for independence from Sudan. and please don't get us some funny wikipedia link again lol. The rebel groups, who happen to be power hungry only want to get rid of Bashir just like rebels in Libya, Syria , yemen etc try to get rid of their central government. only difference is that those in Sudan are finished financially, diplomatically , and militarily.
''I did not even mention the tribal problem in North Sudan and the minority group from Khartoum , Jazira and northern states that dominates the political life at the expense of other ethnic groups in North Sudan from West , East and Southern states .''
Tribal problems exist in many third world countries including asian countries. Sudan is currently ran by a government that represents all political groups and a parliament that represents all regions for the first time as of 2015.
The racist Sudanese from Khartoum and other Northern States use a derogatory racist slur against Egypt calling them " El Halaba " .
oh wow and you seriously expect me to take your word and that Egyptians are ''not'' racist and very kind people? XD wasn't it your official who at an african meeting called sub saharans slaves? if thats your government ''official'' being racist at an international conference, then I cannot imagine what it must be like walking in Egypt as a black person.
Egypt was one of the most affected countries as a result of the sanctions on Sudan . These sanctions caused Egypt to handle between 2-3 million Sudanese refugees in a country that already faces hardships managing over 80 million citizens . The Sudanese citizens in Sudan regularly visit Egypt for Medical treatment and Education due to lake of such facilities in Sudan .
''hmmm that figure is interesting because as far as I know, there were around 500,000 Sudanese refugees (including south sudanese) scattered around the world, yet you here saying 3 million in Egypt alone? (jokes) show some links, not a wikipedia source. Civil war affected the development of Sudan, which egypt played a role in. I see how previous pro-egypt governments in Khartoum made Sudan so reliant on Egypt in the 60s-80s, that needs to change ASAP.''
''Sudan has placed under sanctions as a result of the Sudanese government support for Terrorism against other countries and Sudan was behind terrorist attacks against USA Embassy in Nairobi and other african places that lead to the death of over 200 civilians .''
Very interesting, specially due to the fact that ''NON'' of those bombers was actually Sudanese lmao. I am yet to see Sudan paying any attention to those cases because I can't remember checking Sudan pleading guilty and paying for something it has no control over.
''Sudan hosted various terrorist organizations including terrorist Islamic Jihad group that targeted and killed over 1000 Egyptian civilians and badly hit the Egyptian Economy by destroying Tourism .''
Yet you got Sisi thanking Bashir by giving him nice looking medals medals ;/
''Sudan also hosted and supported the biggest Terrorist of All time Osama Biladen who financed Terrorism all over the muslim world especially Egypt .
Video Below shows Criminal Terrorist Osama Biladen with Albashir in Sudan .''
Another fail, When Osama bin laden was in Sudan, he was recognised as an anti saud businessman exiled from Saudi Arabia, not a terrorist fleeing from prosecution. He lived in Sudan in the mid 90's before 9/11. Sudan, at some point offered to even hand him over to the CIA. the same organisation which created and supported him with weaponry. In the end, he left himself to Afghanistan and started his terrorist bombings until his death in Pakistan.
''No one said Egypt owns the nile , there is an agreement signed in 1959 between Egyptian and Sudanese government that divides water from Blue and White nile . The problem is not about Building the Dam its rather to do with filling period and the rate of nile flow that would be allowed during dry seasons .''
An agreement which gives Egypt 86% of the water? water that does not even originate from Egypt? its an imaginary agreement signed at a time when Egypt was considered a major power and the rest of Africa was under colonisation. Surely as the rest of Africa develops, this agreement will become less and less relevant. Sudan needs to sign the Entebbe pact which would redistribute the Nile waters accordingly because to be honest, we needs a lot more then 18.5 billion cb of water.
''The Egyptian president and other government officials have said several times Ethiopia has the right to build the dam , negotiations are about Dam filling period and already the agreement signed between Ethiopia , Sudan and Egypt gives Ethiopia the right to build the Dam .''
Thats nice to hear, lets hope things get settled then.
''If you think you prosperity would come at the expense of 100 million people then that means you are digging your own grave with your own hands .''
How exactly would it be at the expense of 100 million people when those people don't actually own the waters.... like I said you are overestimating your power and surely, we are not digging our own graves. sooner or later this 1959 agreement will be changed as the upper land countries get more powerful and self reliant overtime. So its better for Egypt to stop acting like a hard man and redistribute the waters accordingly and fairly. Again, Thank god the water actually flows from South to North and not the opposite.
''Sudan does not have the water resources to become the bread basket of the Arab world , Sudan total yearly renewable water resources is between 40 billion to 50 billion cubic meters from rain , rivers and ground water.''
False again ( where do you get your stats from)? , Sudan gets 400 billion cb of rainful per annum alone. Without taking into account the underground water basins, rivers and potential future increase of Nile waters. but since your egyptian, I understand your worries of losing waters in case Sudan does become a breadbasket. don't worry, we aren't that cold hearted.
''Sudan is a tropical country which does not make it suitable for growing strategic crops like Wheat , an acre in Sudan only gives one ton of wheat while in Egypt its around 3-3.5 tons .''
Sudan has much of its agriculture done using all machinery and not modern mechanized techniques. Something easily changed in the future. Furthermore, Sudan has a diversity in climates from upper North to South.
''South Sudan was rich in Water but they are a separate country now and you cannot add it as part of Sudan . Sudan does have over 100 million acres of fertile land but lacks water resources to grow it . You need atleast 500 billion cubic meters of water on yearly bases to grow on this amount of land under the condition Sudan uses high tech irrigation systems . An acre of land requires between 4000 to 6000 meter cubes of water to grow in the 3 seasons each year ( crop rotation ) , this value could go down if you utilize greenhouses but sudan lacks Expertise and funds to invest in something like that .''
South Sudan has not been taken into consideration in ''any'' of my recent figures. Since you set your entire figure of water in Sudan at 40 billion (which is a fraction of yearly rainful alone), makes the rest of your argument pretty much irrelevent.
''As I mentioned before your country does not have the resources to become a bread basket , the only way to increase your yearly total renewable water resources would be by building expensive wells to use Sudan's under ground water but this requires expensive investments and foreign investors would prefer to invest in countries rich in Water like Argentina , Ukraine and India whom have way more water resources than Sudan .''
and like I proved to you before, your figurs are wrong and don't represent whats actualy there. you say the entire figure of water is at 40 billion yet rainfal alone in the country is estimated at 400 billion. without taking into account underground water (backbone of Sudans water sources) and rivers. Its funny cuz investors view Sudan as a future bread basket and are actually investing billions into the coutries agriculture industry. Investment is not a joke where you just invest wherever in the world you want to. location, labour , enivornment and productivity all play a role. That is why gulf countries focus mainly on Sudan viewing it as a moral goal of securing food production ''within'' the arab world in which Sudan has 45% of its arable land.
''According to Fao sudan total renewable water capacity is 37.8 billion per year .''
Ranfail +400 billion
Groundwater 900 billion
please Note: Because I am a new member, I cannot post links yet. but you got google.
''Sudan failure is because of the backward government currently running it , the MB/Islamists failed in every country they ruled , when you get rid of them then Sudan will have a chance to reach its potential .''
Sudan has a backward government that created some problems. Egypt has backward governments which affected its future too. But that doesn't mean Egypt can continue the way it is going right now .... or Egypt can get rid of its failed government and actually sit on the table with other countries and redistribute those waters fairly, what are you afraid of if its fair? its better to negotiate a safe settlement now because power dynamics can change within a few years, you never know. maybe one day Egypt would be the weaker state in the region not getting a drip of water thanks to its past practices. seeing the way ethiopia is growing anf Sudan is opening up to the world. power dynamics change, but the water will always flow from the south to the north.
''The mining industry in Sudan especially Gold is dominated by Janjaweed/Rapid Deployment Forces and other loyalist militias. Nothing reaches the central government budget and these groups are left by Albashir to mine illegally in return for their loyalty .''
Another joke, Janjaweed operates in Darfur and Rapid deployment forces are a faction of Sudans NISS. whereas mining is done in eastern Sudan and its northern states employing a million citizens as of 2015. check your facts before saying nonsense.
''Since a while we haven’t seen such arrogant and ignorant posts....''
Seems like you haven't faced the truth recently....
This can show every one how the MB government of Sudane make their people feel about Egypt.....he is talking about Halayeb triangle which is In the north of 22 line (which is the Egyptian territories..... during the ruling king Farouk ( King of Egypt and Sudan)...he let Halayeb Triangle rulled administratively from Khartoum because of the bedwens and their animals enters that area (not to make it difficult to them to move through boarders ).
false, first of all farouk was never King of the Sudan. It was a ceremonial name only that had no effect on the ground. It were the British that transferred Halaiib to Sudan and had remained so until Egyptian occuation in 1995.
''And things go that way until Sudanese terrorism supporting MB government involved in assasination trial of the Egyptain presedent.''
Something never proved, only accusations.... and mubarak himself met bashir multiple times. And to be honest, most Sudanese don't really care about MB in egypt.
''Also you are taking about this Egyptain territory of Halayeb and you divided your country and let Ethiopia occupying your eastern territories and killing your farmers.''
https://www.dabangasudan.org/en/all-news/article/ethiopian-gunmen-occupy-eastern-sudanese-farms
South Sudan was an american project where its ''people'' voted for Independence. Today, the whole world sees what a failure South Sudan is with arguably the largest crisis on the african continent today.
LMAO radio Dabange is a Sudanese opposition in exile website using lots of propaganda to bring bashir down. Ethiopia, officially does not occupy Sudanese territory. The disputed territories are recognised by the Ethiopia government as Sudanese territory. there are no foreign soldiers in that area. only ethiopian farmers that penetrate Sudanese territory due to poorly demarcated borders. something that can be changed within a short period. both those scenarios are way different to the scenario where Egypt actually occupies Sudanese terriroty.
''Sudanese civil war was harmful to Egypt....as we need stable, strong and independent neighbors .....
Not about 2 to 3 millions refugees....still about 1 million in Egypt now.''
Funny cuz Sudanese refugees across the whole world including south sudanese were about 500,000. but I guess its a habit for egyptians to inflate figures to their favour. Sudanese in the gulf barely reach a million so I highly doubt that even 700,000 Sudanese citizens and not ''refugees'' live in Egypt.
''I feel petty for you my fellow Sudanese brothers and sisters....you have some day a special place in the hearts and minds of Egyptians....but most of you follow the MB government of you.....''
but my egyptian brothers, you guys follow your Israeli supported stingy government that occupies our land and tries to take all the water away from us 
''Finally....the Egyptian people are shocked now from what they are seeing and hearing from Sudanese MB government and those racist , offensive and ignorant Sudanese voices which headed here or there....and the Egyptian people haven’t said there word yet.''
MB is not a term used in Sudan. We are familiar with Islamists likeTurabi that have now lost a lot of influence, but those MB terms are not famous in Sudan whatever they mean. and please, Egyptian poeple are everyday on youtube condemning Sudans decisions so maybe you should try to fix that? 
