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You mean to say these guys never killed Hindus in their rule?

Check out how many forced conversions happened in parts of India including kashmir. Also check out how they beheaded, blinded, buried alive and tortured the people who refused to convert.
All this happened in the name of religion.
Genocide count is estimated 80 Million in India alone.
This is becoming part of the propaganda rhetoric of Indians just like they promote Kashmir is happy and peaceful instead of shimmering. There is no proof whatsoever of the 80 Million figure. We converted of our own choice mostly.

Also other than the Timurids, Mongols and some Mughal rulers there was no such oppression of Hindus. In any case we should not argue this because our heroes like Mahmud of Ghazni will never be heroes for Indians. People see history with their own eyes. But stop using this as a weapon to claim they did so and so so we are doing so and so. There is no justification of the inhuman policies in Kashmir.
 
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India divided Bengal to make Pakistan weak. 350 million muslims would otherwise be in one country... anyway that was us west Pakistanis fault as well but in any case it should have been avoided at all costs..

Why did the Bengalis picked up the gun in 1971 when they had enough. What abut Balochis & Sindhis,why r they attacking the Punjabis, What abut the ethnic voilence between MQM and ANP which has been going on for more then 4 decades,What about the sectarian voilence betwen sunnis & shias,why r the minority Hazaras & Ahmedias demanding Asylum in foreign countries

Are all things bcoz of India ????????????.
 
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This is becoming part of the propaganda rhetoric of Indians just like they promote Kashmir is happy and peaceful instead of shimmering. There is no proof whatsoever of the 80 Million figure. We converted of our own choice mostly.

Also other than the Timurids, Mongols and some Mughal rulers there was no such oppression of Hindus. In any case we should not argue this because our heroes like Mahmud of Ghazni will never be heroes for Indians. People see history with their own eyes. But stop using this as a weapon to claim they did so and so so we are doing so and so. There is no justification of the inhuman policies in Kashmir.

Show me people who praise their invaders in the world except pakistanis?


Pakistan should stop meddling in Kashmir for peace to prevail. Every one knows how peaceful kashmir was before 1980's and it was Pakistani policies of Jihad and stone pelting that is making the mess there.

Primary reason is Pakistan. You should respond first not India.


The biggest holocaust in World History...whitewashed from history | National News | British National Party

The genocide suffered by the Hindus of India at the hands of Arab, Turkish, Mughal and Afghan occupying forces for a period of 800 years is as yet formally unrecognised by the World.

The only similar genocide in the recent past was that of the Jewish people at the hands of the Nazis; of the Africans during the slave trade and also the almost total extermination of native populations like the Aboriginal people in Australia and the native Indians, Aztecs, Incas, etc. in North and South America.

The holocaust of the Hindus in India was of even greater proportions, the only difference was that it continued for 800 years, till the brutal regimes were effectively overpowered in a life and death struggle by the Sikhs in the Panjab and the Hindu Maratha armies in other parts of India in the late 1700's.

We have elaborate literary evidence of the World’s biggest holocaust from existing historical contemporary eyewitness accounts. The historians and biographers of the invading armies and subsequent rulers of India have left quite detailed records of the atrocities they committed in their day-to-day encounters with India’s Hindus.

These contemporary records boasted about and glorified the crimes that were committed - and the genocide of tens of millions of Hindus, mass rapes of Hindu women and the destruction of thousands of ancient Hindu / Buddhist temples and libraries have been well documented and provide solid proof of the World's biggest holocaust.

Quotes from modern historians

Dr. Koenraad Elst in his article “Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?” states:

There is no official estimate of the total death toll of Hindus at the hands of Islam. A first glance at important testimonies by Muslim chroniclers suggests that, over 13 centuries and a territory as vast as the Subcontinent, Muslim Holy Warriors easily killed more Hindus than the 6 million of the Holocaust. Ferishtha lists several occasions when the Bahmani sultans in central India (1347-1528) killed a hundred thousand Hindus, which they set as a minimum goal whenever they felt like punishing the Hindus; and they were only a third-rank provincial dynasty.

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The biggest slaughters took place during the raids of Mahmud Ghaznavi (ca. 1000 CE); during the actual conquest of North India by Mohammed Ghori and his lieutenants (1192 ff.); and under the Delhi Sultanate (1206-1526).
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He also writes in his book "Negation in India":

"The Muslim conquests, down to the 16th century, were for the Hindus a pure struggle of life and death. Entire cities were burnt down and the populations massacred, with hundreds of thousands killed in every campaign, and similar numbers deported as slaves. Every new invader made (often literally) his hills of Hindus skulls. Thus, the conquest of Afghanistan in the year 1000 was followed by the annihilation of the Hindu population; the region is still called the Hindu Kush, i.e. Hindu slaughter."

Will Durant argued in his 1935 book "The Story of Civilisation: Our Oriental Heritage" (page 459):

"The Mohammedan conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. The Islamic historians and scholars have recorded with great glee and pride the slaughters of Hindus, forced conversions, abduction of Hindu women and children to slave markets and the destruction of temples carried out by the warriors of Islam during 800 AD to 1700 AD. Millions of Hindus were converted to Islam by sword during this period."

Francois Gautier in his book 'Rewriting Indian History' (1996) wrote:
"The massacres perpetuated by Muslims in India are unparalleled in history, bigger than the Holocaust of the Jews by the Nazis; or the massacre of the Armenians by the Turks; more extensive even than the slaughter of the South American native populations by the invading Spanish and Portuguese."

Writer Fernand Braudel wrote in A History of Civilisations (1995), that Islamic rule in India as a

"colonial experiment" was "extremely violent", and "the Muslims could not rule the country except by systematic terror. Cruelty was the norm – burnings, summary executions, crucifixions or impalements, inventive tortures. Hindu temples were destroyed to make way for mosques. On occasion there were forced conversions. If ever there were an uprising, it was instantly and savagely repressed: houses were burned, the countryside was laid waste, men were slaughtered and women were taken as slaves."

Alain Danielou in his book, Histoire de l' Inde writes:

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"From the time Muslims started arriving, around 632 AD, the history of India becomes a long, monotonous series of murders, massacres, spoliations, and destructions. It is, as usual, in the name of 'a holy war' of their faith, of their sole God, that the barbarians have destroyed civilizations, wiped out entire races."

Irfan Husain in his article “Demons from the Past” observes:

While historical events should be judged in the context of their times, it cannot be denied that even in that bloody period of history, no mercy was shown to the Hindus unfortunate enough to be in the path of either the Arab conquerors of Sindh and south Punjab, or the Central Asians who swept in from Afghanistan…The Muslim heroes who figure larger than life in our history books committed some dreadful crimes. Mahmud of Ghazni, Qutb-ud-Din Aibak, Balban, Mohammed bin Qasim, and Sultan Mohammad Tughlak, all have blood-stained hands that the passage of years has not cleansed..Seen through Hindu eyes, the Muslim invasion of their homeland was an unmitigated disaster.

"Their temples were razed, their idols smashed, their women raped, their men killed or taken slaves. When Mahmud of Ghazni entered Somnath on one of his annual raids, he slaughtered all 50,000 inhabitants. Aibak killed and enslaved hundreds of thousands. The list of horrors is long and painful. These conquerors justified their deeds by claiming it was their religious duty to smite non-believers. Cloaking themselves in the banner of Islam, they claimed they were fighting for their faith when, in reality, they were indulging in straightforward slaughter and pillage...

A sample of contemporary eyewitness accounts of the invaders and rulers, during the Indian conquests

The Afghan ruler Mahmud al-Ghazni invaded India no less than seventeen times between 1001 - 1026 AD. The book ‘Tarikh-i-Yamini’ - written by his secretary documents several episodes of his bloody military campaigns : "The blood of the infidels flowed so copiously [at the Indian city of Thanesar] that the stream was discoloured, notwithstanding its purity, and people were unable to drink it…the infidels deserted the fort and tried to cross the foaming river...but many of them were slain, taken or drowned... Nearly fifty thousand men were killed."

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In the contemporary record - ' Taj-ul-Ma’asir' by Hassn Nizam-i-Naishapuri, it is stated that when Qutb-ul- Din Aibak (of Turko - Afghan origin and the First Sultan of Delhi 1194-1210 AD) conquered Meerat, he demolished all the Hindu temples of the city and erected mosques on their sites. In the city of Aligarh, he converted Hindu inhabitants to Islam by the sword and beheaded all those who adhered to their own religion.

The Persian historian Wassaf writes in his book 'Tazjiyat-ul-Amsar wa Tajriyat ul Asar' that when the Alaul-Din Khilji (An Afghan of Turkish origin and second ruler of the Khilji Dynasty in India 1295-1316 AD) captured the city of Kambayat at the head of the gulf of Cambay, he killed the adult male Hindu inhabitants for the glory of Islam, set flowing rivers of blood, sent the women of the country with all their gold, silver, and jewels, to his own home, and made about twentv thousand Hindu maidens his private slaves.

This ruler once asked his spiritual advisor (or ‘Qazi’) as to what was the Islamic law prescribed for the Hindus. The Qazi replied:

Hindus are like the mud; if silver is demanded from them, they must with the greatest humility offer gold. If a Mohammadan desires to spit into a Hindu’s mouth, the Hindu should open it wide for the purpose. God created the Hindus to be slaves of the Mohammadans. The Prophet hath ordained that, if the Hindus do not accept Islam, they should be imprisoned, tortured, finally put to death, and their property confiscated.”

Timur was a Turkic conqueror and founder of the Timurid Dynasty. Timur's Indian campaign (1398 – 1399 AD) was recorded in his memoirs, collectively known as 'Tuzk-i-Timuri.' In them, he vividly described probably the greatest gruesome act in the entire history of the world – where 100,000 Hindu prisoners of war in his camp were executed in a very short space of time. Timur after taking advice from his entourage says in his memoirs :

"they said that on the great day of battle these 100,000 prisoners could not be left with the baggage, and that it would be entirely opposed to the rules of war to set these idolaters and foes of Islam at liberty.

"In fact, no other course remained but that of making them all food for the sword

Timur thereupon resolved to put them to death. He proclaimed :

"throughout the camp that every man who has infidel prisoners was to put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death. 100,000 infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain. Maulana Nasir-ud-din Umar, a counselor and a man of learning, who, in all his life had never killed a sparrow, now, in execution of my order, slew with his sword fifteen idolatrous Hindus, who were his captives".

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During his campaign in India - Timur describes the scene when his army conquered the Indian city of Delhi :

"In a short space of time all the people in the [Delhi] fort were put to the sword, and in the course of one hour the heads of 10,000 infidels were cut off. The sword of Islam was washed in the blood of the infidels, and all the goods and effects, the treasure and the grain which for many a long year had been stored in the fort became the spoil of my soldiers.

"They set fire to the houses and reduced them to ashes, and they razed the buildings and the fort to the ground....All these infidel Hindus were slain, their women and children, and their property and goods became the spoil of the victors. I proclaimed throughout the camp that every man who had infidel prisoners should put them to death, and whoever neglected to do so should himself be executed and his property given to the informer. When this order became known to the ghazis of Islam, they drew their swords and put their prisoners to death."

The Mughal emperor Babur (who ruled India from 1526 -1530 AD) writing in his memoirs called the 'Baburnama' - wrote : " In AH 934 (2538 C.E.) I attacked Chanderi and by the grace of Allah captured it in a few hours. We got the infidels slaughtered and the place which had been Daru'l-Harb (nation of non-muslims) for years was made into a Daru'l-Islam (a muslim nation)."
In Babur's own words in a poem about killing Hindus (From the 'Baburnama' ) he wrote :

"For the sake of Islam I became a wanderer,
I battled infidels and Hindus,
I determined to become a martyr

Thank God I became a Killer of Non-Muslims!"

The atrocities of the Mughal ruler Shah Jahan (who ruled India between 1628 - 1658 AD) are mentioned in the contemporary record called : 'Badshah Nama, Qazinivi & Badshah Nama , Lahori' and goes on to state : "When Shuja was appointed as governor of Kabul he carried on a ruthless war in the Hindu territory beyond Indus...The sword of Islam yielded a rich crop of converts....Most of the women (to save their honour) burnt themselves to death. Those captured were distributed among Muslim Mansabdars (Noblemen)"

The Afghan ruler Ahmad Shah Abdali attacked India in 1757 AD and made his way to the holy Hindu city of Mathura, the Bethlehem of the Hindus and birthplace ofKrishna.

The atrocities that followed are recorded in the contemporary chronicle called : 'Tarikh-I-Alamgiri' :

"Abdali's soldiers would be paid 5 Rupees (a sizeable amount at the time) for every enemy head brought in. Every horseman had loaded up all his horses with the plundered property, and atop of it rode the girl-captives and the slaves. The severed heads were tied up in rugs like bundles of grain and placed on the heads of the captives...Then the heads were stuck upon lances and taken to the gate of the chief minister for payment.

"It was an extraordinary display! Daily did this manner of slaughter and plundering proceed. And at night the shrieks of the women captives who were being raped, deafened the ears of the people...All those heads that had been cut off were built into pillars, and the captive men upon whose heads those bloody bundles had been brought in, were made to grind corn, and then their heads too were cut off. These things went on all the way to the city of Agra, nor was any part of the country spared."

Why we should remember

"Holocaust Memorial Day (HMD) is the international day of remembrance for the victims of the Holocaust and of other genocides" (Holocaust Memorial Day Trust)

The biggest holocaust in World History has been whitewashed from history.

When we hear the word HOLOCAUST most of us think immediately of the Jewish holocaust. Today, with increased awareness and countless cinema films and television documentaries - many of us are also aware of the Holocaust of the Native American peoples, the genocide of the Armenian peoples in the Ottoman Empire, and the millions of African lives lost during the Atlantic slave trade.

The World seems to either ignore or just does not seem to care about the many millions of lives lost during the 800 - year long holocaust of Hindus in India.

The Indian historian Professor K.S. Lal estimates that the Hindu population in India decreased by 80 million between 1000 AD and 1525 AD, an extermination unparalleled in World history. This slaughter of millions of people occurred over regular periods during many centuries of Arab, Afghan, Turkish and Mughal rule in India.

Many Indian heroes emerged during these dark times – including the 10th Sikh Guru - Guru Gobind Singh and also the Hindu Maratha king – Shivaji Maratha – who led the resistance against this tyranny and eventually led to its defeat by the late 1700s - after centuries of death and destruction.

The modern World today is facing a global threat from organizations and groups of terrorists such as the Taliban and Al-Qaeeda - whose ideology is chillingly similar to that of the perpetrators of the World’s biggest holocaust in India. Also ironically – these terrorist groups are growing and launching attacks in exactly those areas that suffered extensively during India’s holocaust. Let us hope that the bloody lessons of the past are learnt so that history does not even have the remotest chance of repeating itself.

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Bibliography, Articles and Links:

Negationism in India, by Dr Koenrad Elst. (Voice of India, New Delhi.)

“Was There an Islamic Genocide of Hindus?” (article) by Dr. Koenraad Elst (Was There an Islamic "Genocide" of Hindus?)

Rewriting Indian History by Francois Gautier (Vikas Publishing House, New Delhi 1996)

‘‘Aurangzeb, as he was according to Mughal Records’’(An exhibition) by Francois Gautier’s Trust : ‘FACT – India’ URL(Aurangzeb, as he was according to Mughal Records)

The Story of Civilization. Vol. 1: Our Oriental Heritage by Will Durant (New York: Simon and Schuster, 1935.)

A History of Civilisations by Fernand Braudel (Penguin Books, New York 1995)

Histoire de l'Inde, by Jean Danielou. (Editions Fayard, Paris.)

Growth of Muslim population in India (A.D. 1000-1800) by K.S. Lal. (Voice of India, New Delhi.)

“Demons from the Past” (article in the ‘Daily Times’, Pakistan August 30, 2004) by Irfan Husain (http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_30-8-2004_pg3_4)

The 'Hindu Wisdom' website : Hindu Wisdom - Islamic Onslaught

stephen-knapp.com website : Islamic Destruction of Hindu Temples

The Hindu Holocaust Museum website :http://hinduholocaust.com/HinduHolocaustMuseum.htm


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@haviZsultan how is hafeez saeed terrorist if your court didn't found him guilty? The PAK court has to convict him or let him go as modi was let go. That's my point.

Btw i agree with u on the fact that 71 should not have happened. I don't buy into the indo-awami narrative of 71.
U r a Jammat fellow who blames Indians for the recent Political voilence as if Indians come to Bangladesh to sell petrol bombs
 
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U r a Jammat fellow who blames Indians for the recent Political voilence as if Indians come to Bangladesh to sell petrol bombs

Is jammat or BD topic of the thread?

Yes india is directly responsible for BD's political trumoil. Plenty of threads r already running in BD section. U can go discuss the issue there.
 
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Is jammat or BD topic of the thread?

Yes india is directly responsible for BD's political trumoil. Plenty of threads r already running in BD section. U can go discuss the issue there.
Yes Sir,we Indians have called a indefinite strike next week in Bangladesh.
 
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Yes Sir,we Indians have called a indefinite strike next week in Bangladesh.

No u indians are the cause of the strike by backing an totalitarian despot to serve your interest. Now lets get back to the topic. Where we we.......yes modi the terrorist was not found guilty by indian court and so was hafeez saeed, an innocent man accused by hegemonic india.
 
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@Luffy 500 Muslims say modi killed muslims but the same muslims worship killers of Hindus.

Modi failed to stop riots but Muslims are a different case.

One guy elected as PM who happens to be failed to prevent riots and the whole anti Indian forces are worried and are crying like anything. The same guys praise ghori, gazni , babur or who ever came to India and killed Hindus.
Heads up: Luffy is a full blown razakar. A jamaati. Essentially, you are trying to argue and convince a terrorism lover.

In short - you're wasting your time.
 
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No u indians are the cause of the strike by backing an totalitarian despot to serve your interest. Now lets get back to the topic. Where we we.......yes modi the terrorist was not found guilty by indian court and so was hafeez saeed, an innocent man accused by hegemonic india.
U r a Jammat,recently some of the Jammat were sentenced to death by a Bangladeshi court for the 1971 war crimes,that too after a gap of 4 decades(44 years). This shows the quality of the Judiciary in Judicary ,talking of Narendra Modi.. Soon after the verdict was announced,the Jammat came on the streets & began to attack public property. I can give u the video.

if the Political voilence continues,the damage will continue. Already the damage has been done to the maximum.Infact the new ruling party BNP or whichever comes in future will not be in a position to repair the damage. Already Export orders lost,fall in production & profits,increase in unemployment.loss of investor confidence. Buyers will go to some other countries for trade.
The same thing happened in Nepal. The Maoist in Nepal fought for several years but were not even able to rule even 6 months. The reason,the damage done to Nepalese economy was so much due to political unrest,that they had no clue how to repair the damage.

PS: We Indians r responsible for the political unrest,we elect yr parliament,judiciary. We Indians protest on the streets of Dhaka,we Indians sell petrol bombs.Lastly the UN report talks about the influx of Bangaldeshi migrants to India. We Indians need to build a strong fence. Good fence make good neighbours.
 
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Nice to see good support for LET aka JUD among pakistanis and Jamaatis....news flash guys....LET and Jamaatis are the one's who will be the backbone and support of ISIS 's khorasani chapter.


Oh...and those worried about Modi and RSS..don't worry because they aren't terrorists like the hundreds of Islamist terrorist groups that's running amok all over the world...extremist right wing non muslim groups will cease their actions once the millions of islamists terrorists cease to exist.
 
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Is jammat or BD topic of the thread?
Yes india is directly responsible for BD's political trumoil. Plenty of threads r already running in BD section. U can go discuss the issue there.
Please refer to your reply 96#
"The former chief minister Bengal AK Fazlul Haq famously said - if u find ananda bazar denouncing me then know that i have done something good for muslims of this province and if they praise me , then know that i have caused harm to the muslims of bengal.

Ananda bazar is a fanatic hindu nationalist communal newpaper & to this day it can be called the official mouthpiece of RAW. It is one of the pioneers of yellow propaganda."

Stupid Jammati,What has Ananda Bazar & AK Fazul Haq go to do with thread. The thread is about Hafeez Saeed.
 
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