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Bangladeshi Immigrants to India

you missed the point here, most of the Indians who have been migrated were labors, they started living there. No body is bringing bangladeshis here. they are coming on there own for search for work. Regarding the green card and all. that is a useless point. people who have migrated to Europe are having there citizenship and they are living there. And who the hell has taken money from NRI? If any person goes there he/she sends the money back home. What's wrong with that? If later he/she stays there and become NRI that's his/her own decision.
 
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These guy is always generalizing, Indians that Indians these ,even we too can find lot of **** about Bangladesh in net and paste it here .If he is arguing with the individual then it should be between them why is he generalizing.

As I said before counter him intellectually, refute him with facts if you can find any. Killing the messenger isn't going to prove you're right is it?
 
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With a great deal of difficulty, I managed to browse thru the paper written. Reading long winded documents are very difficult more so when u are glancing thru the posts on this forum during lunch breaks.

On the face of it , I did not find anything majorly objectionable in the paper ( I’ll read it again in detail sometime).Migration among humans is a thing that needs regulation since it cannot be stopped. Someone mentioned US - Mexico, I'd say if the Berlin wall couldn't hold ppl back what will barbed wires do? If India had a border with Europe or USA, wonder how many of us would be left in the motherland.

In N India, I wonder what would happen if al BD ppl were to disappear. I have relatives who have Bengali couples living in their premises for yrs. The arrangement is quite symbiotic. In exchange for domestic chores & more relevant, the security that someone trustworthy is at hand always, besides a salary the education of both the children is funded by my relatives. I often see them sitting in the lawn helping the kids with homework etc ( their own kids are married & gone away ).

The presence of a trustworthy person (s) is a luxury few of us have in cities. It gives immense freedom & security to the ppl ( & their children who live elsewhere) which lets them travel leaving their home to them. Hence we tolerate the migrants though selfishly.
Rickshaw pullers too a major help especially within colonies. Not that there is dearth of ppl for this locally, but there appears to be room for more.

What is irksome is law & order situation that deteriorates once migrants collect in large Nos. Around now, ( Durga Puja + Diwali) cases of theft rise. In the area where I live, an attempt was made to verify all those who came from “ WB” and other states including locals. Almost all ‘ bengalis’ were from Distt Malda, dinajpur , Murshidabad or jalpaiguri. None of the addresses given proved to be correct.

The author is right when she says they were ‘bindis’ etc to merge with the local populace. There is however a very potent threat looming in the form of “ sleeping “ agents which any Int agency worth its salt will induct in situations like these.

The problem is political, India can thank the commies of WB for not only allowing such infiltration to go on but also ‘regularizing’ it ASAP for ulterior means. The state of WB has been on ‘ auto destruct” mode for a while. All organs of the state have been systematically degraded to a point that no one in his senses would like to invest a dime there. .. but no one cares. This I am afraid is a ‘ fallout ‘ of democracy coupled with coalition politics.
 
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I found this saved article but the link seems to down

One crore illegal Bangladeshis in India : Report

Date: July 29, 2000
NEW DELHI: More than one crore Bangladeshi nationals are illegally staying in India and they are in a position to influence electoral outcome in 25 Parliamentary and 125 Assembly constitutencies, according to a TV report,reports PTI.

Continued and unchecked infiltration has changed the demographic profile of large parts of Assam, Bihar, West Bengal and even Delhi and Mumbai, ZEE TV said in a new programme "Inside Story."

If infiltration continues unchecked, in next ten years they may be in a position to impact about 50 Parliamentary and over 250 Assembly seats in the country, the channel said in a press release.

The border district of Kishanganj in Bihar had 30 per cent Bangladeshis in 1970 and today their percentage had gone up to 65, it said.

More than 40 lakh Bangladeshis are illegally living in Bihar, mostly in Kishanganj, Araria, Katihar, Begusarai, Bhagalpur, Purnia and Sahebganj.

In Delhi it is estimated that there are about six lakh Bangladeshis living illegally in Seelampur, Yamuna Pushata and Jehangirpuri, it said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/archive/date-2000-7-29.html
 
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As I said before counter him intellectually, refute him with facts if you can find any. Killing the messenger isn't going to prove you're right is it?

when i am in argument with u it is between u and me, i don't have any rights to generalize it to the whole country ,let him argue with whom so ever he wants but calling all Indians as kids or anything else is totally unacceptable.I am not killing the messenger but a messenger must behave as a messenger.
 
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when i am in argument with u it is between u and me, i don't have any rights to generalize it to the whole country ,let him argue with whom so ever he wants but calling all Indians as kids or anything else is totally unacceptable.I am not killing the messenger but a messenger must behave as a messenger.

I was generalizing the Indians on this forum who were attacking me and not the whole of India. Please get your facts straight. There is clearly an attempt by a group of Indians on this forum to systematically disrupt any meaningful discussion.
 
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I was generalizing the Indians on this forum who were attacking me and not the whole of India. Please get your facts straight. There is clearly an attempt by a group of Indians on this forum to systematically disrupt any meaningful discussion.

Surprise! Munshi has detected yet another Indian conspiracy!
 
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I was generalizing the Indians on this forum who were attacking me and not the whole of India. Please get your facts straight. There is clearly an attempt by a group of Indians on this forum to systematically disrupt any meaningful discussion.

Continuing with the discussion don't you feel Illegal Bangladeshis are threat to India ?

Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants threat to India: court

New Delhi: Expressing concern over the increasing number of illegal immigrants in the national capital, the Delhi High Court on Tuesday said they pose a danger to India's internal security, and dismissed a petition by a Bangladeshi national against her deportation.

Justice S L Bhayana dismissed Razia Begum's petition and upheld the Foreigners Regional Registration Office's (FRRO) decision to deport her and four of her family members back to Bangladesh.

“If someone is able to obtain a passport, ration card, election identification card and nationality certificate by illegal means, it doesn't meant that one is an Indian national, until and unless one gets his nationality through legal means,” court said.

Razia Begum and four others of her family were arrested from Khanpur area of south Delhi on December 28, 2007, by the deportation cell of the FRRO.

The police recovered a fake ration card, election I-cards and nationality certificates from them.


Opposing Razia Begum's contention that she is an Indian national, Delhi Police stated that her family had come to India from Bangladesh in 1990 and on investigation they could not produce any birth certificate or any other document to establish their claim that they are Indian nationals.

In April, the FRRO decided to deport all five of them.

Razia Begum and her family members approached the Delhi High Court, challenging the FRRO's decision.

The court in May dismissed the petition of the other four.

“Deportation is a process and not a punishment. An increasing number of illegal immigrants in the capital are posing a great danger to our internal security,” said the judge.

Earlier this year, the court asked the Delhi government to speed up the deportation of Bangladeshis illegally living in the capital and asked for monthly progress reports.

Illegal Bangladeshi immigrants threat to India: court
 
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Problem of Bangladeshi migrants
Politico-economic study in historical context
T. V. Rajeswar

THE recent spat between India and Bangladesh over the stranded Bangladeshi migrants in Satgachia in Cooch Behar district was just a tip of the iceberg of the huge problem of migrants in this country. The problem is older than Partition and has an immense potential for the deterioration of the security situation in the East and Northeast of India.

Addressing the state Chief Secretaries and DGs of Police in Delhi in January, Deputy Prime Minister L.K. Advani stated that there were about 15 million Bangladeshis in India and it posed a serious threat to the country’s internal security. What are the dimensions of the problem? The migration problem is more than a century old and it began with large migrations from the predominantly Muslim districts of undivided Bengal into Assam for work opportunities in the rice fields and tea estates there. This continuing influx exploded in 1978 when the All-Assam Students’ Union began an agitation which was temporarily resolved by an agreement signed by Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in 1985. This also led to the Asom Gana Parishad coming to power in Assam, but the huge migrant population which was already in the state could not be sent out due to judicial procedures and political contingencies.

The number of Bangladeshis estimated to be in India was put at 10 million about 10 years back. The Intelligence Bureau has reportedly estimated, after an extensive survey, that the present number is about 16 million. This figure may be correct since the migration has continued unabated all these years. Practically, every state in the country has Bangladeshi migrants, but the largest concentration is in Assam, West Bengal and Bihar. Some of the districts of W. Bengal bordering Bangladesh have an alarming proportion of migrants. Since the migrants in these districts have almost completely merged with the minority population there the problem can be seen only as part of the total minority population in these border districts. The districts of Murshidabad, South and North 24 Parganas, Nadia and West Dinajpur are particularly affected, and they are all adjoining Bangladesh. In Assam also, the districts of Dhubri, Barpeta, Goalpara, Hailakandi and Karimganj have a similar heavy concentration of minority population with large sections of Bangladeshi migrants.

This led to vote-bank politics both in Assam and West Bengal and judicial procedures only made it worse. In West Bengal, the CPM, in power since 1977, had turned a blind eye to this issue because of the support it was getting from the minority-migrant population.. Only recently Mr Buddhadev Bhattacharya has taken note of the seriousness of the problem. In Assam, the ministry’s survival, when the Congress was in power and also when the AGP replaced it, depended upon the support of a group of MLAs who were against any serious action against the migrants. The Illegal Migrants (Determination by Tribunals) Act effectively prevented even half-hearted attempts in this direction.

The relations with Bangladesh have deteriorated ever since Begum Khaleda Zia came to power last year. Her attitude towards India has not been too friendly, and Bangladesh and Pakistan have been getting too close for India’s discomfort. To quote Saleed Samad, a Bangladesh journalist, “the government holds power with the help of fundamentalist Islamic groups that are changing Bangladesh’s secular character.” Even during the regime of Seikh Hasina, the Bangladesh armed forces had elements who were suspected to be in close liaison with the ISI in the Pakistan High Commission there. The various insurgent groups in the North-East have had their training camps located in the border regions of Bangladesh and some of the prominent ULFA insurgents have been living in Dhaka for years. Sheikh Hasina failed to evict them or hand them over to the Government of India on one legal pretext or the other, and there is no change in the situation today.

The problem of East Pakistan/Bangladesh migrants was first dealt with, after Partition, by the Nehru-Liaquat Pact of 1950. Consequently, about six lakh illegal migrants were sent back to East Pakistan. However, the migration continued unabated. Mr. B.N. Mullik, the veteran Director of the Intelligence Bureau, had proposed a Prevention of Infiltration Programme which was implemented by the Government of India whereby about 1,50,000 illegal migrants were repatriated to East Pakistan during 1963-65. After the emergence of Bangladesh in 1971, the Indira Gandhi-Mujibur Rahman Pact of 1972 had provided that all those who entered India prior to March 25, 1971, would be allowed to remain in this country while the rest were to return to Bangladesh. Accordingly, as many as seven million refugees returned to Bangladesh. It would, therefore, be seen that in the past India and Pakistan and subsequently Bangladesh had amicably settled, through negotiated agreements, the return of East Pakistan/Bangladesh migrants from India.

When Begum Khaleda visited India as Prime Minister during her first term, she made an extraordinary statement that there were no Bangladeshis in India. No doubt, this remains her stand even today. Her Foreign Minister, Mr Morshed Khan, told a Press conference at Dhaka on February 6 that “there is not a single Bangladeshi migrant in India”. This stonewalling tactic on the part of the Bangladesh will not be helpful. But how does India make the Bangladesh Government accept the identification of Bangladeshi migrants spread all over India and how do you make Dhaka agree to take Dhaka back? If there is a genuine desire for cordial relations with India on the part of Bangladesh, this is possible. As already stated, in the subcontinent itself seven million Bangladeshi refugees returned to Bangladesh in 1972 as a result of the Indira-Mujib Pact and earlier in 1950 six lakh migrants were sent back to East Pakistan as per the Nehru-Liaquat Pact.

Is it possible to effectively stop this continuous migration from Bangladesh? The enormity of the problem can be realised when the actual border is visited. As Governor of West Bengal in 1989-90, I had visited the border areas in Cooch Behar, Jalpaiguri, Darjeeling, West Dinajpur and Malda. The border was indicated with bamboo poles with small red flags which were planted zigzag in the rice fields. Bangladesh labourers regularly crossed over to work in the fields in West Bengal. School children from border villages of Bangladesh came over to study in Indian schools and many of the rickshaw-pullers in the towns in the border districts of West Bengal came during the day from Bangladesh and returned in the evening. But if some of the farm labourers or rickshaw-pullers stayed behind there was no way of finding out. In the border areas of West Bengal people did not view this traffic as a problem, much less a serious threat. This is how the migrant population has grown over the years to the present level. It is left to the policy makers and administrators to worry about the long-term demographic and security overtones of this continued influx.

The continuous influx of Bangladeshi migrants, their spread throughout India and, more importantly, their concentration in the north-eastern states have drastically changed the demographic character of the region. While most of the migrants are “Malthusian” in character, in the sense that they have come to India for a better living condition, their presence in the border region poses a security problem. While European countries as well as Australia and the USA are straining to keep the migrants out for ensuring employment opportunities for their own nationals, India’s problem is different which explains Mr. Advani’s characterisation of this huge presence as a security threat to India.

The issue of Bangladeshi migrants has been one of the important policy planks of the BJP and the VHP. They make a distinction between Hindu and Muslim migrants. They call Hindu migrants as refugees while the Muslim ones as infiltrators, though in fact most of them are economic refugees. However, after the BJP came to power this issue was laid to rest except for occasional references at different levels. Why this issue has suddenly assumed so much importance is not clear. This, perhaps, explains why even knowledgeable observers should suspect that the BJP and the Sangh Parivar are apparently whipping up this issue along with that of the Ram Mandir in the run-up to the assembly elections this year and the parliamentary polls next year. Those at the helm of affairs should realise the sensitivity of the issue and the dimensions of the problem and deal with it with patience and understanding.

The writer is a former Governor of West Bengal and Sikkim.

The Tribune, Chandigarh, India - Editorial
 
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I found this saved article but the link seems to down

One crore illegal Bangladeshis in India : Report

Date: July 29, 2000
NEW DELHI: More than one crore Bangladeshi nationals are illegally staying in India and they are in a position to influence electoral outcome in 25 Parliamentary and 125 Assembly constitutencies, according to a TV report,reports PTI.

Continued and unchecked infiltration has changed the demographic profile of large parts of Assam, Bihar, West Bengal and even Delhi and Mumbai, ZEE TV said in a new programme "Inside Story."

If infiltration continues unchecked, in next ten years they may be in a position to impact about 50 Parliamentary and over 250 Assembly seats in the country, the channel said in a press release.

The border district of Kishanganj in Bihar had 30 per cent Bangladeshis in 1970 and today their percentage had gone up to 65, it said.

More than 40 lakh Bangladeshis are illegally living in Bihar, mostly in Kishanganj, Araria, Katihar, Begusarai, Bhagalpur, Purnia and Sahebganj.

In Delhi it is estimated that there are about six lakh Bangladeshis living illegally in Seelampur, Yamuna Pushata and Jehangirpuri, it said.

http://www.indianexpress.com/archive/date-2000-7-29.html

India should decide to built big wall towards the border of BD, that should solve the problem.
 
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Walls can be scaled, guns with orders to shoot is the better Option.

Really US experience has taught that does not work, it gets worse. Infact two border officers are in jail for righfull killing illegal immigrants from Mexico. That is why a wall has been proposed, the only problem is when will US will get funding to finish the wall.
 
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Really US experience has taught that does not work, it gets worse. Infact two border officers are in jail for righfull killing illegal immigrants from Mexico. That is why a wall has been proposed, the only problem is when will US will get funding to finish the wall.

India has less resources it will prefer not to build wall, It has gone ahead with building fences but faced sever opposition from Bangladesh, It officially maintains there is not a single illegal Bangladeshi in India.
 
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Walls can be scaled, guns with orders to shoot is the better Option.

Well that shoot out of innocent Bangladeshis is going on by BSF already and it is going to worsen the sitution instead of improving it.

@jaypor

If India wants to fence the border with Bangladesh, BD's opposition is not a big deal as if India can do it along LoC why not it can fence the same with BD.

If India is not doing so there is something more to it then.
 
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And here we go Indian BJP says Illegal Bangladeshis in India are game plan of ISI

:rofl::rofl: OMG
 
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