Bangladesh welcomes Iran offer to join IPI project

[Bhairava]

After saying all these, I would like to ask if it is possible to pump all the gas for the three countries through only one pipe? I think, there cannot be only one pipe considering the volume of gas to be supplied. It may also be that at least three pipes will run parallel for three countries.

In such a case, BD may have its own specific pipes, so that even if Pakistan stops Indian flow, it may not disrupt BD flow. I think, BD govt should demand separate pipe(s) for its own supply.

Sorry mate..in that case if Pakistan stops our part - we will take oil from your pipes as anyway they r coming through our territory.

We need to keep our engines running.

 

[eastwatch]

Sorry mate..in that case if Pakistan stops our part - we will take oil from your pipes as anyway they r coming through our territory.

We need to keep our engines running.

So, we will be suing you in an international court of arbitration. The verdict will force you to reopen our gas pipe and pay compensation for the lost production in BD. But, anyway a Treaty must have provisions of a separate pipeline for BD. BD will be paying the charge for using Indian land.

By the way, people in another thread are fighting because India has stolen our traditional properties such as Jamdani. And here you are proposing a CHORI of BD gas & oil by India!

 

[Aeon]

First of all strategic things like oil pipelines cant be subjected to the emotions of trust that too among blood-rivals like India and Pakistan where emotions fluctuate at the drop of hat.

The word "trust" need not be interpreted so simply here. Think of it as promoting a basic "aversion to conflict", as stated before. Yes, it is a strategic thing for bolstering the economy, but, it has a parallel requirement of promoting a basic level of trust, ie, aversion to conflict, between the involved countries. Basically, besides the pure business aspect, it can be viewed as a strategic attempt at promoting peace & stability in the region --> economic development --> more peace & stability --> ... So, it is a cycle like that, and requires member states to take a calculated risk, in order for the cycle to be initialized. It is an oil pipeline, but also some sort of a fundamental Peace Pact at the same time - hence the name "Peace Pipeline". Going over ground will be cheaper than going under water, but it comes at the price of taking a calculated risk in working towards a common harmony.

Secondly what we asked from Iran was a very legitimate thing - guarentee the delivery of oil/gas at our (Indian) borders.They couldn agree to it.So if you want to blame anyone ,blame Iran..not India.

Thirdly - what pressure you are talking about?? you can pressure the Government..but can you prssure the Non-state actors..some of them who are still seen as strategic assets by a section of the Pakistani establishment. NO.

Fourthly - the proposed pipeline is to pass through Balochistan - one of the most troublesome spots in Pakistan..that too especially notorious for blowing up of pipelines.

GoI is not afraid of Pakistan stopping flow of pipeline as this will majorly impact Iran and Not India. As we will pay as per Consumption and if that could not took place then No pay to Iran.

Does GoI still need the guarantee?

 

[somebozo]

Everything has to go through Pakistan. Thank Allah for giving us the most stratetic piece of Indian land...

This will serve a good counter balance to Awami leauge antics just in case they turn the stick towards Pakistan too much!

 

[Aeon]

And what we will do for our automobiles for that time till it cools off.

For example after the Parliament attack both armies stood face to face for 10 months.

How do you get your gas now? That is what you will have to resort to, albeit not as effective as the pipeline, but the price to pay for escalations in conflict. As said, all 3 countries will suffer from the cut off, not just India. It would be a rather powerful way of discouraging conflicts from escalating among Pak/India/BD by Iran. The population/industries will be affected and in turn will pressure their governments to reduce hostilities, in short forcing the acceleration of the peace process.

p.s.: I want this pipeline because it will cut down costs to a great extent..But unfortunately given the present geo-political conditions and the history between our two nations..its unfortunately not possible.

The only way to overcome the past is by making attempts in the present to improve the future.

Maybe if China is the end-user India will agree to it..As Pakistan will think thrice before shutting down the valves then.

Capital idea.
China is not that far from BD, as it'll simply have to go through Burma (in order to avoid AP?), ie BD-->Burma-->China. This just keeps getting better and better.

 

[HUD1]

It would dumb on part of BD to be part of this expensive affair,given present state turmoil prevailing in Pakistan. Pakistan cannot guarantee the safety of pipeline. BD joining this pipeline would have no effect though if china were to join ,(which i doubt) this could have positive effect on whole exercise. BD would be better off developing their own untapped GAS fields

 

[somebozo]

It would dumb on part of BD to be part of this expensive affair,given present state turmoil prevailing in Pakistan. Pakistan cannot guarantee the safety of pipeline. BD joining this pipeline would have no effect though if china were to join ,(which i doubt) this could have positive effect on whole exercise. BD would be better off developing their own untapped GAS fields

well Mr India propoganda machine have you lost you job at NDTV, IBN or DD
???

Originally Posted by Gounder
Maybe if China is the end-user India will agree to it..As Pakistan will think thrice before shutting down the valves then.

Pakistan will still be able to shut valves because it doesnt have to go through India for reaching China.

 

[Aeon]

Originally Posted by Gounder
Maybe if China is the end-user India will agree to it..As Pakistan will think thrice before shutting down the valves then.

Pakistan will still be able to shut valves because it doesnt have to go through India for reaching China.

Yes, but then India & BD could pressure Iran to stop the supply to Pakistan.

 

[prototype]

first of all their is no need to go for this IPI pipeline,an undersea pipeline between Iran and India will b much better,we dont need to depend on Pakistan and remain afraid about non state actors,if Bangladesh is interested it can join the project or it can deny it,their choice

 

[Bhairava]

So, we will be suing you in an international court of arbitration. The verdict will force you to reopen our gas pipe and pay compensation for the lost production in BD. But, anyway a Treaty must have provisions of a separate pipeline for BD. BD will be paying the charge for using Indian land.

By the way, people in another thread are fighting because India has stolen our traditional properties such as Jamdani. And here you are proposing a CHORI of BD gas & oil by India!

You can sue as much as you want anywhere mate.Lets see who supports BD against India. All is fair in love and war.

 

[Bhairava]

The word "trust" need not be interpreted so simply here. Think of it as promoting a basic "aversion to conflict", as stated before. Yes, it is a strategic thing for bolstering the economy, but, it has a parallel requirement of promoting a basic level of trust, ie, aversion to conflict, between the involved countries. Basically, besides the pure business aspect, it can be viewed as a strategic attempt at promoting peace & stability in the region --> economic development --> more peace & stability --> ... So, it is a cycle like that, and requires member states to take a calculated risk, in order for the cycle to be initialized. It is an oil pipeline, but also some sort of a fundamental Peace Pact at the same time - hence the name "Peace Pipeline". Going over ground will be cheaper than going under water, but it comes at the price of taking a calculated risk in working towards a common harmony.

It will not take more than a single terrorist attack to make this Peace pipeline a Shut-down pipeline.

Seriously no amount of oil or pipelines is going to bring peace inbetween India and Pakistan as long as Pakistan supports the insurgency (read moral and diplomatic support) in Kashmir and no amount of pressure is going to make India let go of Kashmir.

So if you want to put pipelines,promote trust etc well and good..stop supporting Kashmiri militancy which in my opinion Pakistan will not stop.

So this pipeline - a non starter.

Does GoI still need the guarantee?

f course it still needs.If it had got such a guarentee from Iran we would have been building pipelines now.
Iran also knows it cannot always ensure that the oil pipelines are safe given the nature in Balochistan.

Thanks for the gesture..we are better off using our crude containers.

 

[Bhairava]

How do you get your gas now? That is what you will have to resort to, albeit not as effective as the pipeline, but the price to pay for escalations in conflict. As said, all 3 countries will suffer from the cut off, not just India. It would be a rather powerful way of discouraging conflicts from escalating among Pak/India/BD by Iran. The population/industries will be affected and in turn will pressure their governments to reduce hostilities, in short forcing the acceleration of the peace process.

Mate you are just saying apply pressure from a Government of Pakistan pov.

the most important concern here is the NON-STATE-ACTORS.

After the Mumbai attacks Zardari is on record saying the state cannot take responsibilty for the actions of the Non-state-actors and as you might know there are enough holy warriors to sacrifice their lives in the war against India.

The only way to overcome the past is by making attempts in the present to improve the future.

True..But the ball is in Pakistan's court.We(India) dont want any part of P0K .But Stop supporting the insurgency on our side,internationlise the LOC and we can be friends and live happily ever after.
India doesnt ask any more than this.
If Pakistan is not willing (which it is the truth) then we are content importing the oil the way we have done for the last 63 years.

Pakistan will still be able to shut valves because it doesnt have to go through India for reaching China.

What part of my post you couldn understand..? I said if the end user is China instead of Bangladesh then probably Pakistan wont shut down the valves.

 

[Aeon]

Mate you are just saying apply pressure from a Government of Pakistan pov.

the most important concern here is the NON-STATE-ACTORS.

After the Mumbai attacks Zardari is on record saying the state cannot take responsibilty for the actions of the Non-state-actors and as you might know there are enough holy warriors to sacrifice their lives in the war against India.

Would India be as concerned about the non-state actors if China decides to latch on and be the end-recipient?

True..But the ball is in Pakistan's court.We(India) dont want any part of P0K .But Stop supporting the insurgency on our side,internationlise the LOC and we can be friends and live happily ever after.
India doesnt ask any more than this.
If Pakistan is not willing (which it is the truth) then we are content importing the oil the way we have done for the last 63 years.

I wonder if there is much (or anything) India-Pakistan can make joint efforts on for mutual benefit, without it being derailed by the Kashmir issue. It would be great to see things move forward between India-Pak somehow, despite problems wrt Kashmir.

 

[diva]

May be the project under consideration between india and iran for the gas pipeline under the sea a better option owing to the condition of pakistan. though it would be costly affair but would be the safest. then we can ask the awami dalal indian stooge government to join us.

 

[third eye]

Everything has to go through Pakistan. Thank Allah for giving us the most stratetic piece of Indian land...

This will serve a good counter balance to Awami leauge antics just in case they turn the stick towards Pakistan too much!

Well I wouldnt call it strategic at all.

All excess water of India & Af also flows thru Pak. Recent events show that it can wipe away decades of development !