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Bangladesh vs Pakistan: Victory of 2 Takkas!!

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Only 1 thing behind Bangladesh's progress and that is empowerment of women.


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What Can Biden’s Plan Do for Poverty? Look to Bangladesh.
As that nation turns 50, its surprising success offers lessons about investing in the most marginalized.

 
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The number of front-line fighter jets - BD: 8 (EIGHT); Pak: 250+

The number of new private cars sold- BD: 4K/yr; Pak: 200K/yr

The oil consumption- BD: 100K barrels/day; Pak: 1m barrels/day

The housing units built by the professional builders- BD: 10K/yr; Pak: 300K/yr

BD's economic might definitely is 2X of that of Pak.....
 
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Bangladesh had more stability than Pak, it is like a one party system.

Also Pak had to go to war with 2 superpowers in Afghanistan, first against
the Soviets and then U.S/ Nato. The blowback of these wars really affected
Pakistan's economy.

Not quite accurate.

Bangladesh only started having political stability after 2009 since BAL autocratic regime came to power through "democracy".

Prior to that there were countless coups and counter coups until 1990. Not to forget India funded insurgency in Chittagong Hill tracts region, which was resolved only in 1997.

The so called democracy in 1990 came into affect with one party constantly sabotaging the other with violent strikes and shutdown, causing severe disruption to businesses until another coup in 2007 which eventually facilitated the return of Sheikh Hasina as undisputed leader in 2009.

The only reason Sheikh Hasina is being tolerated as the autocratic leader is because of the economic progress. She knows that really well.
 
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The number of front-line fighter jets - BD: 8 (EIGHT); Pak: 250+

The number of new private cars sold- BD: 4K/yr; Pak: 200K/yr

The oil consumption- BD: 100K barrels/day; Pak: 1m barrels/day

The housing units built by the professional builders- BD: 10K/yr; Pak: 300K/yr

BD's economic might definitely is 2X of that of Pak.....
Pakistan's stuck with a vicious system where the market's flooded with imports. In turn, the average person must rely on remittances (from family and relatives abroad) to live reasonably well.

This cycle works OK for the consumer class, but it leaves the state and the poorest segments out of the loop. As a result, the state doesn't progress in terms of delivering public services (especially health and education), while the poorest don't have the state to lift them up via welfare programs.

Instead, the state (especially under Nawaz Sharif) was facilitating the import culture by taking out loans to prop up the PKR. This benefitted 'businessmen' who simply traded in imported goods.

From corruption to laziness to lack of vision, these factors have kept (and will continue to keep) Pakistan behind. However, if you institute aggressive localization policies, free-up money (going into imports) into human development, and invest in key areas like feeder industries, Pakistan will move ahead. Not saying the road is easy, but making the right turn is not difficult.
 
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Bangladesh had more stability than Pak, it is like a one party system.

Also Pak had to go to war with 2 superpowers in Afghanistan, first against
the Soviets and then U.S/ Nato. The blowback of these wars really affected
Pakistan's economy.
What is being done to improve it ?
 
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The number of front-line fighter jets - BD: 8 (EIGHT); Pak: 250+

The number of new private cars sold- BD: 4K/yr; Pak: 200K/yr

The oil consumption- BD: 100K barrels/day; Pak: 1m barrels/day

The housing units built by the professional builders- BD: 10K/yr; Pak: 300K/yr

BD's economic might definitely is 2X of that of Pak.....


Where do you get the stats for housing units and new private cars sold?
 
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Pakistan's bureaucracy is actually the real culprit and the society has generally become incredibly corrupt.

Who stops the govt from privatizing loss making SOEs?

Who allows smuggling to continue?

Who allows mafias to continue?

The moment you question the bureaucracy, stay orders are issued.

This bureaucracy is a money making machine and in every project small or big, they leave nothing.

Finally, Pakistani leadership is non existent. After Jinnah R.A Pakistan never had a leader that was popular and commanded absolute respect.
 
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Pakistan's bureaucracy is actually the real culprit and the society has generally become incredibly corrupt.

Who stops the govt from privatizing loss making SOEs?

Who allows smuggling to continue?

Who allows mafias to continue?

The moment you question the bureaucracy, stay orders are issued.

This bureaucracy is a money making machine and in every project small or big, they leave nothing.

Finally, Pakistani leadership is non existent. After Jinnah R.A Pakistan never had a leader that was popular and commanded absolute respect.
Yep. Pakistani society -- specifically the consumer class -- is doing OK, and in some cases, quite well. It's the Pakistani state that's suffering, and for those who still care about 'Pakistan', that reality is painful. If we are to simply stop caring, then yeah, there's no reason to be concerned about Bangladesh moving ahead. If I have my nice house, BMW X5, and "methods" for earning money, I'm happy.
 
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Pakistan's stuck with a vicious system where the market's flooded with imports. In turn, the average person must rely on remittances (from family and relatives abroad) to live reasonably well.

This cycle works OK for the consumer class, but it leaves the state and the poorest segments out of the loop. As a result, the state doesn't progress in terms of delivering public services (especially health and education), while the poorest don't have the state to lift them up via welfare programs.

Instead, the state (especially under Nawaz Sharif) was facilitating the import culture by taking out loans to prop up the PKR. This benefitted 'businessmen' who simply traded in imported goods.

From corruption to laziness to lack of vision, these factors have kept (and will continue to keep) Pakistan behind.
IMO it's the undocumented/unregulated/untaxed part of the economic activities, which are running at 50%+ of the total economy, is to be considered. On top of it Pak has two porous borders with Afganistan (~80b $ of "recreational staffs") and Iran (heavily sanctioned and Pak being an important land outlet). An army of 50K to 200K of armed-to-the-teeth private guards to protect the Karachi tycoons makes sense. And, the Deep State requires Deep Financing to maintain the conventional and non-conventional deterrence at multiple fronts against multiple enemies, who are extremely resourceful in their own might.....

As for BD, she's one of the top 5 corrupt countries in the world for a reason! Hasina regime can put up a heavy competition with the Zardaris or Sherifs any time of the Day. And, BD has no Deep State nor Deep Nation!!!

The entire business, industry, finances, media, education, transportation, real estates, health, construction etc. of BD are controlled by the Indian Marwaris via their local Bangal agents and cohorts. Indian "experts" can work in any sector - both government and private - without any permissions or regulations whatsoever. They officially remit 10b$ to India per year....

BD's public education and services are destroyed via politicization to such an extent a medical grad can't even study a simple X-ray report....

If you're not from the ruling party you can't even open a corner store....

The top floor of BD Military's HQ building is occupied by RAW, and no Bangals are permitted there....
 
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IMO it's the undocumented/unregulated/untaxed part of the economic activities, which are running at 50%+ of the total economy, is to be considered. On top of it Pak has two porous borders with Afganistan (~80b $ of "recreational staffs") and Iran (heavily sanctioned and Pak being an important land outlet). An army of 50K to 200K of armed-to-the-teeth private guards to protect the Karachi tycoons. And, the Deep State requires Deep Financing to maintain the conventional and non-conventional deterrence at multiple fronts against multiple enemies, who are extremely resourceful in their own might.....
Sure, but none of this means anything if the Pakistani state isn't leveraging it to support the country as a whole. If the Pakistani state is broke, then who is going to fund healthcare, education, R&D, etc?
 
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Bangladesh vs Pakistan: Victory of 2 Takkas!!

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Only 1 thing behind Bangladesh's progress and that is empowerment of women.


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What Can Biden’s Plan Do for Poverty? Look to Bangladesh.
As that nation turns 50, its surprising success offers lessons about investing in the most marginalized.

one needs to pull the finger out of the *** and consider this that Pakistan has been ravaged for a 20 year insurgency and terrorism due to American invasion of Afghanistan and constant subversion of Indians,
countries in Middle east and Africa collapsed due to insurgency and terror but Pakistan has kept going despite taking enormous economic and human loss.

so all I say to all such analysts and writers who bitch about Bangladesh taking over Pakistan that they can go and put their heads behind their own arses.
its good for Bangladesh that it rose due to relative stability and not suffering overt and covert Indian subversion.

for fair comparison, inflict the insurgency and civil war at the scale of TTP and BLA and then destabilize one of the borders like Afghanistan and then get Indians to add fuel to the fire and then lets talk about comparison in 2041.
until then flush down all these comparisons along with their writers.
 
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Bangladesh vs Pakistan: Victory of 2 Takkas!!

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Only 1 thing behind Bangladesh's progress and that is empowerment of women.


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What Can Biden’s Plan Do for Poverty? Look to Bangladesh.
As that nation turns 50, its surprising success offers lessons about investing in the most marginalized.


Too much trivialization of the matter.

1. 2 big wars with India
2, A decade spent against soviet invasion of Afghanistan
3. Supporting around 3 million afghan refugees since last 40 years
4. Again a decade spent going through the sufferings and loses of war on terror
5. Worst and most corrupt politicians in modern human history
6. A neighbor who from the get go wanted to annihilate you.

Without a doubt, if any other country had experienced even 50% of what Pakistan has suffered since it's inception, it would have simply vanished from the face of this earth. But Alhumdulillah Pakistan is very much alive and kicking with the grace of Allah SWT as per the golden words of our founding father "There is no power on Earth that can undo Pakistan".

So no need to bother with these hollow comparisons. We are on the right track and we will get out of the darkness Insha'Allah.
 
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Only point i mentioned was empowerment of women. I don't know why people are bringing up other things.
 
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