Where Bangladesh succeeded and Pakistan failed

[Dr.Nick Riviera]

You are wrong about the ethnicity of Bengali Muslims. I am surprised that you only know about Dhaka Nawabs. But are they the only foreign Muslim family domiciled in Bengal?

Please go back to about 1200 AD. Are you aware that more than 200,000 Khaliji and other Turks and Pathans domiciled themselves in Bengal at that time? It was Malik Ikhtiaruddin Bakhtiar Khilji who led expeditions to Bengal from UP/ Bihar.

And what was the native Hindu population at that time? It was hardly more than 3 million.

1200 AD to 1757 AD Plassy Battle, all the Sovereigns, Sultans, Maliks, Subahdar/ Governors, and Nawabs came to Bengal from the west of Bengal except one native Bengali, Raja Ganesh.

All those millions of foreigners accompanying them domiciled in Bengal are our forbearers. Local Hindus also certainly took Islam.

So, it is better you try to prove me wrong. But, not much Punjabi bloodline is in our veins.

How am I wrong? To Bangladesh nationalists everyone is a bengalee in bangladesh. I dont need a history lesson from the likes of you. The Ahsan manzil family are NOT bengalee - they are dhakaiyites and I know them personally. As said in my post they are but ONE example. Many other distinct ethni linguistic and cultural groups. I'm not going to bother going back and forth with you as obviously English isn't your first language.

 

[ThunderCat]

We are trying our best to get promoted from an underdeveloped to a developing country to be recognized as such by the countries of the world led by the UN.

Really? You're looking for recognition from countries of the world such as...Pakistan? We never noticed from these threads. Truly. You just made it apparent to us. You have my ever lasting gratitude

 

[ThunderCat]

I would never have said such fantasies. I rather claim that with foreign contractors for civil construction works and little investment in technology for mechanical goods, BD is not developing at all.

And instead importing machinery amongst others things from Pakistan. So much for Binglo "superiority" over Pakistan...

 

[bluesky]

How am I wrong? To Bangladesh nationalists everyone is a bengalee in bangladesh. I dont need a history lesson from the likes of you. The Ahsan manzil family are NOT bengalee - they are dhakaiyites and I know them personally. As said in my post they are but ONE example. Many other distinct ethni linguistic and cultural groups. I'm not going to bother going back and forth with you as obviously English isn't your first language.

Whichever family migrated to and domiciled in Bengal is a Bengali family. Learn this basic point. And about the history of Bengal, ask your History teacher to learn from me.

 

[El Sidd]

That's the thing with braindead nationalistic bongos - they refuse to acknowledge that Bangladesh is a heteregenous nation but to them everyone in BD is Bengalee. Take for example the Ahsan manzil family - they have been in Dhaka for centuries and are part of the dhakayite ethno cultural slash ethno linguistic group who speak dhakaiya Urdu but they had to identify as bengalee since 1971. There are many others. Bengalism is the biggest joke in South Asia. The whole world laughs at them.

The confusion runs much deeper to define the reason for the nation states existence. Does it exist to cater to linguistic group, does it cater to geographical definitions or cater to a particular denomination.

This identity crisis is a socioeconomic challenge.

Hence my previous statement.

 

[ThunderCat]

Bangladeshi posters have little to contribute to the forum.

Unless you count trolling. You also forgot that it also describes Muhajir neo-liberal posters here, like PakFactor and That Guy.

I'm starting to second guess that they are the main reason why Bangladeshi "patriots" both within and outside PDF infest Pakistani forums in the first place.

You can see how "confident" the Binglos get when Muhajir neo-liberals feed them false encouragement with their own trolling, but are in for a shocker when they come with the same high expectations from Punjabis, Pashtuns whom are typically not sympathetic to them, telling them to accept reality.

What these poor trans-mental clowns don't realize is that, despite giving them false praise, neither the butt-hurt Muhajir neo-liberals nor their Sindhi sidekicks have any subconscious sincere respect for them.

Not only will they never bother applying for immigration to Bangladesh, despite falsely praising it, but these same Muhajirs & Sindhis only two generations ago were whinning against the presence of Binglo immigrants in Pakistan.

With all the productive crime of drug peddling, robberies and other methods of disturbing the peace, the muhajirs & Sindhis complained to the government to kick out Binglo migrants because they want them nowhere near them.

In the meantime the Punjabis were smart to never allow Binglo migrants flood their province, legal or illegal, knowing the trouble they'd bring.

Sindhis and their Muhajir masters learned the hard way, so i think it's quite stupid of them to be hypocritically "praising" Bangladesh, all out of jealousy towards.

Likewise the Binglos don't realize how stupid they're being by constantly getting sexual stimulation from the false praises Muhajir neo-liberals give them, thinking the rest of the Pakistanis will give to them the same "praise" even if it's 100% fake.

I notice Binglos get a bit hyped when Pajeets praise them, but not nearly half as when a self-loathing Muhajir neo-liberal gives it to them.

I guess because Muhajirs hold Pakistani citizenship, while Pajeets don't...

 

[El Sidd]

Unless you count trolling. You also forgot that it also describes Muhajir neo-liberal posters here, like PakFactor and That Guy.

I'm starting to second guess that they are the main reason why Bangladeshi "patriots" both within and outside PDF infest Pakistani forums in the first place.

You can see how "confident" the Binglos get when Muhajir neo-liberals feed them false encouragement with their own trolling, but are in for a shocker when they come with the same high expectations from Punjabis, Pashtuns whom are typically not sympathetic to them, telling them to accept reality.

What these poor trans-mental clowns don't realize is that, despite giving them false praise, neither the butt-hurt Muhajir neo-liberals nor their Sindhi sidekicks have any subconscious sincere respect for them.

Not only will they never bother applying for immigration to Bangladesh, despite falsely praising it, but these same Muhajirs & Sindhis only two generations ago were whinning against the presence of Binglo immigrants in Pakistan.

With all the productive crime of drug peddling, robberies and other methods of disturbing the peace, the muhajirs & Sindhis complained to the government to kick out Binglo migrants because they want them nowhere near them.

In the meantime the Punjabis were smart to never allow Binglo migrants flood their province, legal or illegal, knowing the trouble they'd bring.

Sindhis and their Muhajir masters learned the hard way, so i think it's quite stupid of them to be hypocritically "praising" Bangladesh, all out of jealousy towards.

Likewise the Binglos don't realize how stupid they're being by constantly getting sexual stimulation from the false praises Muhajir neo-liberals give them, thinking the rest of the Pakistanis will give to them the same "praise" even if it's 100% fake.

I notice Binglos get a bit hyped when Pajeets praise them, but not nearly half as when a self-loathing Muhajir neo-liberal gives it to them.

I guess because Muhajirs hold Pakistani citizenship, while Pajeets don't...

I don't think there is any significant Bangladeshi community anywhere but Sind, which saw easy access to Bangladeshi refugees till 1990s. You can blame industrialists for import of cheap labor as much as anything.

It wasn't until War on Terror and resultant economic meltdown that saw some respite.

However recent praise of Bangladesh has been from Punjab and KP quarters. Sind just uses the term Bangladesh in rhetorical threat.

 

[ThunderCat]

I don't think there is any significant Bangladeshi community anywhere but Sind, which saw easy access to Bangladeshi refugees till 1990s. You can blame industrialists for import of cheap labor as much as anything.

It wasn't until War on Terror and resultant economic meltdown that saw some respite.

However recent praise of Bangladesh has been from Punjab and KP quarters. Sind just uses the term Bangladesh in rhetorical threat.

Yes because Punjabis are too smart to let these migrants flood their province. The "praise" from Punjab is only geographical. If you look at columnists in the Pak media praising Bangladesh, it's because they live in the Punjab but are actually Muhajirs from various parts of India.

No Punjabi is with a serious mind is interested in praising Bangladesh, which is what seems to come as a shocker to Binglos who come with high expectations.

Unless you count Pan-Islamists. They just praise them out of sympathy.

 

[El Sidd]

Yes because Punjabis are too smart to let these migrants flood their province. The "praise" from Punjab is only geographical. If you look at columnists in the Pak media praising Bangladesh, it's because they live in the Punjab.

No Punjabi is with a serious mind is interested in praising Bangladesh, which is what seems to come as a shocker to Binglos who come with high expectations.

Unless you count Pan-Islamists. They just praise them out of sympathy.

I don't think people sharing Dhaka fall pictures or using Mujib pictures are pan islamists.

 

[Black_cats]

How am I wrong? To Bangladesh nationalists everyone is a bengalee in bangladesh. I dont need a history lesson from the likes of you. The Ahsan manzil family are NOT bengalee - they are dhakaiyites and I know them personally. As said in my post they are but ONE example. Many other distinct ethni linguistic and cultural groups. I'm not going to bother going back and forth with you as obviously English isn't your first language.

Do you know what dhakaiyite is? You can at best say they are Urdu speaker beside Biharis the Ahsan Manzil family. Not only them but also many who migrated from India used to speak Hindi/Urdu but gradually they adopted Bengali culture and tradition. Some of them speak a variant of Bengali that is called Dhakaiyya urdu.

Dhakaiya Urdu - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

But unlike Biharis all the original Dhakaiyyas now identify themselves as Bengalis. They speak Bengali and in family and locality speak Dhakaiya Urdu a Bengali influenced Urdu.

After living in Bengal for few centuries they are no longer identified with their old culture or race. Just for your info modern day Bengali people are mix of 38/39 different races so you will see different features of people in Bangladesh.

 

[ThunderCat]

I don't think people sharing Dhaka fall pictures or using Mujib pictures are pan islamists.

No they're not. But I find Pan-Islamists amongst Punjabis & Pakhtuns are far more sympathetic to Bangladeshi hype but have a double standard when it comes to Indian hype.

They're subconcious seems to state: Unlike most Pajeets, they're Muslims, so let's give their bogus claims the benefit of doubt.

 

[Black_cats]

No they're not. But I find Pan-Islamists amongst Punjabis & Pakhtuns are far more sympathetic to Bangladeshi hype but have a double standard when it comes to Indian hype.

They're subconcious seems to state: Unlike most Pajeets, they're Muslims, so let's give their bogus claims the benefit of doubt.

Bangladesh’s per capita gdp now almost double of Pakistan which was half prior to 2010 why they won’t praise and acknowledge the achievement. Looking at your childish posts reminding me of the Hindi proverb "rassi jal gayi, par bal nai gaya" lol

See even your Punjabi Shoaib Akhter praising Bangladesh after Afghanistan defeated Pakistan .

https://twitter.com/x/status/1639716299826769921

 

[ThunderCat]

Bangladesh’s per capita gdp now almost double of Pakistan which was half prior to 2010 why they won’t praise and acknowledge the achievement. Looking at your childish posts reminding me of the Hindi proverb "rassi jal gayi, par bal nai gaya" lol

See even your Punjabi Shoaib Akhter praising Bangladesh after Afghanistan defeated Pakistan .

He probably praised it's athletic performance which I never questioned, since I don't know much about that topic. Aside from neo-liberal Muhajirs & Sindhis (mostly out of hatred for Punjabis), nobody in Pakistan has praise for Bangladesh.

Only those amongst Punjabis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris etc. are Pan-Islamists. But even amongst Muhajirs & Sindhis, the praise is nothing but false. They don't really believe it and there's good evidence that they don't.

In fact they unconciously loathe Bangladeshis and wanted them deported from Pakistan during the crime hike of the 90s. None of them would live anywhere near there.

Which is why I told El Sid that your kind are stupid and naive rely on their "support" to try and seek acknowledgement from other Pakistanis.

Nobody genuinely "praises" Bangladesh, unless you were referring to athletics. Not even educated Bangladeshis praise it and acknowledge it for the sh1thole it is

 

[Black_cats]

He probably praised it's athletic performance which I never questioned, since I don't know much about that topic. Aside from neo-liberal Muhajirs & Sindhis, nobody in Pakistan has praise for Bangladesh.

Only those amongst Punjabis, Pashtuns, Kashmiris etc. are Pan-Islamists. But even amongst Muhajirs & Sindhis, the praise is nothing but false. They don't really believe it and there's good evidence that they don't.

In fact they unconciously loathe Bangladeshis and wanted them deported from Pakistan during the crime hike of the 90s. None of them would live anywhere near there.

Which is why I told El Sid that your kind are stupid and naive rely on their "support" to try and seek acknowledgement from other Pakistanis.

Nobody genuinely "praises" Bangladesh, unless you were referring to athletics. Not even educated Bangladeshis praise it and acknowledge it for the sh1thole it is

No body is asked to be praised. It is called doing economical comparison between Pakistan and Bangladesh as both were same country once upon a time and acknowledging the progress Bangladesh has made compared to Pakistan. Both are not in the same league any more.

Bangladesh even crossed India as its HDI is .661 compared to India’s .633. In terms of nominal gdp it has also moved ahead of India. These are just some example for you.

Bangladesh now comparing with Pakistan as a regional neighboring country and painful past of genocide associated with it. But Bangladesh is gradually focusing how it can become like south East Asian economies.

Just for info Shoaib Akhter talked about Bengali nation not just player that they have deep determination and they can become best in the world with this determination.

 

[bluesky]

Yes because Punjabis are too smart to let these migrants flood their province. The "praise" from Punjab is only geographical. If you look at columnists in the Pak media praising Bangladesh, it's because they live in the Punjab but are actually Muhajirs from various parts of India.

No Punjabi is with a serious mind is interested in praising Bangladesh, which is what seems to come as a shocker to Binglos who come with high expectations.

Unless you count Pan-Islamists. They just praise them out of sympathy.

Bangladesh will not wait for some thick-headed guys as you are to praise the achievements of Bangladesh.

When Punjab people have been ruining Pakistan since 1947, BD people are constructive-minded,

To you, we are a group of unhandsome Pigmey group of people, yet, without fail BD people will make BD economy 50 times stronger than Punjabi-led Pakistan in less than 100 years time. Come out and challenge us if you have the guts.

Like it or not, already you are no match to us. We are 50 years ahead of you.