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Bangladesh stalls its first human milk bank project after opposition by Islamists

And for your information, pork is allowed when your life is under threat, but incest neither is allowed nor it will be necessary to save anyone.

For some babies it is literally life and death especially the premature ones. Also some mothers are unable to produce milk, or have trouble producing it, at first. So for the baby it is life and death.
The case is slightly different here. Even if an infant's mother is can provide huge amount of milk by herself, still the baby can be feed by a milk mother if his mother isn't ready to feed her ( it's highly unlikely though). If an infant ( not after certain age though) drink a woman's milk, she became his mother. So if the baby is not in the risk of life still he/she can be fed by nursing mother, it's allowed for infants. And after drinking her milk as infant the relationship became mother children.

And when it is the case of law, same case for father in law and mother in law. If husband and wife got divorced still the former father in law and mother in law remain in same forbidden status, although after breaking marriage they are no longer father in law or mother in law.

Same case for steps parents or children. If you marry someone, his/her children become haram/forbidden for you for lifetime even if you divorce the man/woman.
 
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@Michael Corleone , The law was not given by the Mullahs , but it is from Quran . But you do not need to follow Haram and Halal , no one will force you to obey anything . Just tell me do you consider yourself a Muslim or not ?

If you consider yourself as Muslim , you can not disobey direct order from Quran . So as long as Quran directly proclaimed that milk sisters/brothers are own brothers and sisters aka siblings ( first cousins are not) , and marrying them will be considered incest for a Muslim, case closed . It's a fundamental law to obey for every Muslim.

If you do not consider yourself a Muslim , that's fine , you are free to reject it and move on
I do consider myself a Muslim but not at the cost of human lives. These informations can be put in through bar code at the child’s medical/identification cards.... just because it’s going to affect Muslims doesn’t mean we should build a milk bank that will help save countless lives. Plus I’m a medical man so heredity comes from biological genes and not someone’s breast milk

Same case for steps parents or children. If you marry someone, his/her children become haram/forbidden for you for lifetime even if you divorce the man/woman
Not if you they aren’t your biological children, after divorce from their mothers you can technically marry them
 
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I do consider myself a Muslim but not at the cost of human lives.
Here no cost of human life ,no one is prohibiting this type of project if you can regulate .
just because it’s going to affect Muslims doesn’t mean we should build a milk bank that will help save countless lives

Bangladesh has 90% Muslim population . SO you can not save life of countless without them . Basically they are countless in number , not others .

Plus I’m a medical man so heredity comes from biological genes and not someone’s breast milk

That is not even an argument here . The fact is about religion , sentiment , faith , not the modern science .
Incest between consensual adults should not be an issue if you drag the scientific theory . But it's not accepted by society .

Not if you they aren’t your biological children, after divorce from their mothers you can technically marry them

@Michael Corleone ,
Please do not make such comment without sufficient knowledge . Once someone become Mahram , it is permanent . Read and also you can check the link from where I have copied.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/104805/rights-and-duties-of-the-mothers-husband-and-the-stepdaughter



Praise be to Allah

The stepdaughter is the daughter of a wife from someone other than her current husband; she is permanently forbidden in marriage to the man if he has consummated his marriage with her mother. This means that she has become one of his mahrams.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah (17/367):

If a man marries a woman and consummates the marriage with her, it becomes permanently forbidden for him to marry one of her daughters or one of the daughters of her sons, no matter how far the line of descent extents, whether she is a daughter from a previous or subsequent husband, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers… and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:23].

The stepdaughter here is the wife’s daughter. A man is regarded as a mahram of the daughters of a woman whom he marries and with whom he consummates the marriage; it becomes permissible for them not to observe hijab in front of him. End quote.

This issue has been discussed previously in the answers to questions no. 20750 and 33711.

With regard to the rights and duties of a stepdaughter and her mother’s husband towards one another, they may be summed up as upholding ties, respecting one another, and treating one another kindly. All Muslims are enjoined to treat their fellow Muslims with kindness, so how about those who become mahrams due to ties through marriage. Undoubtedly they have a greater right to kindness and care than Muslims in general.

But spending on maintenance, serving and obeying are not obligatory between them. The stepdaughter does not come under the same ruling as her mother in these matters in terms of it being obligatory according to Islamic teachings. If the husband spends on his stepdaughter out of kindness, and she responds by treating him well, taking care of his house and serving him, then that is good, because bringing people together and creating harmony between them is an aim that Islam seeks to achieve.

The husband should understand that kind treatment of his wife includes kind treatment of her daughter. And the daughter should understand that part of honouring her mother is honouring the mother’s husband and treating him kindly.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) said: (25/365):

There is the hope for the one who takes care of women other than his daughters, such as his sisters, paternal aunts, maternal aunts, and others who are in need, treating them with kindness, and providing them with food, drink and clothing, will attain a reward like that mentioned by the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with regard to the one who takes care of three daughters, for the grace and mercy of Allah are immense. The same applies to one who takes care of one or two daughters or others, and treats them kindly; there is the hope that he will attain a great reward, as is indicated by the general meaning of the verses and hadiths that speak of kindness towards the poor and needy, relatives and others. If this is the virtue of showing kindness towards daughters, then showing kindness towards parents, or one of them, or grandfathers or grandmothers ,will bring an even greater reward, because of the great significance of parents’ rights, and the obligation to honour them and treat them kindly. It makes no difference whether the one who is showing kindness is a father or a mother or anyone else, because the reward is connected to the deed. And Allah is the source of strength. End quote.

The Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas was asked (25/296):

How should the social family ties be in the Muslim household?

They replied:

Allah has enjoined upholding that which will strengthen ties between family members. He enjoins upholding ties of kinship, and treating relatives kindly, as He, may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:1]

“Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives…”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:36]

“Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them”

[al-An‘aam 6:151]

“And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment”

[al-Israa’ 17:23].

And there are other similar verses in the Qur’an.

It is proven that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “No one who severs ties of kinship will enter Paradise.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

And he said: “Whoever would like to his provision to be increased and his life to be extended, let him uphold ties of kinship.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi. And he said: “ Allah has forbidden to you disobedience towards mothers and burying daughters alive…” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. And there are many other hadiths which encourage upholding of ties of kinship, adhering to Islamic etiquette and noble characteristics, and maintaining kind treatment, all of which strengthen the bonds between families and family members, and bring all Muslims together. This is the right way, not drifting away from the path of Islam and ignoring Islamic etiquette and the call for good manners. End quote.

And Allah knows best.


Same goes for parent in laws . Its more strict ,because even if marriage is not consummated , still father in law or mother in law became mahram for son in law and daughter in law .
 
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Here no cost of human life ,no one is prohibiting this type of project if you can regulate
If you had come across data, your viewpoints would have been different.

Bangladesh has 90% Muslim population . SO you can not save life of countless without them . Basically they are countless in number , not others .
For which I propose regulation with medical records/ national identity
That is not even an argument here . The fact is about religion , sentiment , faith , not the modern science .
Incest between consensual adults should not be an issue if you drag the scientific theory . But it's not accepted by society .
If society that prioritizes religion over science is a failed society. No way such societies will ever become developed or advanced.

@Michael Corleone ,
Please do not make such comment without sufficient knowledge . Once someone become Mahram , it is permanent . Read and also you can check the link from where I have copied.

https://islamqa.info/en/answers/104805/rights-and-duties-of-the-mothers-husband-and-the-stepdaughter



Praise be to Allah

The stepdaughter is the daughter of a wife from someone other than her current husband; she is permanently forbidden in marriage to the man if he has consummated his marriage with her mother. This means that she has become one of his mahrams.

It says in Fataawa al-Lajnah ad-Daa’imah (17/367):

If a man marries a woman and consummates the marriage with her, it becomes permanently forbidden for him to marry one of her daughters or one of the daughters of her sons, no matter how far the line of descent extents, whether she is a daughter from a previous or subsequent husband, because Allah, may He be glorified and exalted) says (interpretation of the meaning):

“Prohibited to you [for marriage] are your mothers… and your step-daughters under your guardianship [born] of your wives unto whom you have gone in”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:23].

The stepdaughter here is the wife’s daughter. A man is regarded as a mahram of the daughters of a woman whom he marries and with whom he consummates the marriage; it becomes permissible for them not to observe hijab in front of him. End quote.

This issue has been discussed previously in the answers to questions no. 20750 and 33711.

With regard to the rights and duties of a stepdaughter and her mother’s husband towards one another, they may be summed up as upholding ties, respecting one another, and treating one another kindly. All Muslims are enjoined to treat their fellow Muslims with kindness, so how about those who become mahrams due to ties through marriage. Undoubtedly they have a greater right to kindness and care than Muslims in general.

But spending on maintenance, serving and obeying are not obligatory between them. The stepdaughter does not come under the same ruling as her mother in these matters in terms of it being obligatory according to Islamic teachings. If the husband spends on his stepdaughter out of kindness, and she responds by treating him well, taking care of his house and serving him, then that is good, because bringing people together and creating harmony between them is an aim that Islam seeks to achieve.

The husband should understand that kind treatment of his wife includes kind treatment of her daughter. And the daughter should understand that part of honouring her mother is honouring the mother’s husband and treating him kindly.

Shaykh Ibn Baaz (may Allah have mercy on him) said: (25/365):

There is the hope for the one who takes care of women other than his daughters, such as his sisters, paternal aunts, maternal aunts, and others who are in need, treating them with kindness, and providing them with food, drink and clothing, will attain a reward like that mentioned by the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) with regard to the one who takes care of three daughters, for the grace and mercy of Allah are immense. The same applies to one who takes care of one or two daughters or others, and treats them kindly; there is the hope that he will attain a great reward, as is indicated by the general meaning of the verses and hadiths that speak of kindness towards the poor and needy, relatives and others. If this is the virtue of showing kindness towards daughters, then showing kindness towards parents, or one of them, or grandfathers or grandmothers ,will bring an even greater reward, because of the great significance of parents’ rights, and the obligation to honour them and treat them kindly. It makes no difference whether the one who is showing kindness is a father or a mother or anyone else, because the reward is connected to the deed. And Allah is the source of strength. End quote.

The Standing Committee for Issuing Fatwas was asked (25/296):

How should the social family ties be in the Muslim household?

They replied:

Allah has enjoined upholding that which will strengthen ties between family members. He enjoins upholding ties of kinship, and treating relatives kindly, as He, may He be glorified, says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And fear Allah, through whom you ask one another, and the wombs. Indeed Allah is ever, over you, an Observer”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:1]

“Worship Allah and associate nothing with Him, and to parents do good, and to relatives…”

[an-Nisaa’ 4:36]

“Say, Come, I will recite what your Lord has prohibited to you. [He commands] that you not associate anything with Him, and to parents, good treatment, and do not kill your children out of poverty; We will provide for you and them”

[al-An‘aam 6:151]

“And your Lord has decreed that you not worship except Him, and to parents, good treatment”

[al-Israa’ 17:23].

And there are other similar verses in the Qur’an.

It is proven that the Prophet (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “No one who severs ties of kinship will enter Paradise.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

And he said: “Whoever would like to his provision to be increased and his life to be extended, let him uphold ties of kinship.” Narrated by at-Tirmidhi. And he said: “ Allah has forbidden to you disobedience towards mothers and burying daughters alive…” Narrated by al-Bukhaari and Muslim. And there are many other hadiths which encourage upholding of ties of kinship, adhering to Islamic etiquette and noble characteristics, and maintaining kind treatment, all of which strengthen the bonds between families and family members, and bring all Muslims together. This is the right way, not drifting away from the path of Islam and ignoring Islamic etiquette and the call for good manners. End quote.

And Allah knows best
Thanks for clearing my misunderstandings
 
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If you had come across data, your viewpoints would have been different.
I have no view point . I am not asking you to accept my point of view . I just showed you something from scripture , not expecting that you will accept it . I am not a missionary , and preaching ideology is not my job .
For which I propose regulation with medical records/ national identity
I have no problem on it . In fact if the baby can recognize who is his/her milk mother , I encourage this process . later it's up to him if he will obey the Islamic law or not , if he will decide to marry his milk sister or not . But surely the infant must recognize who is his/her milk mother .

later scenario will be up to him , law has nothing to do with him , as there is no compulsion in religion . if he choose to marry his milk sister even after knowing the truth , that's fine , but he/she must have to know it .
Thanks for clearing my misunderstandings

You are welcome!:-)
 
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I have no view point . I am not asking you to accept my point of view . I just showed you something from scripture , not expecting that you will accept it . I am not a missionary , and preaching ideology is not my job
I didn’t intend to come of as accusatory. I was just pointing out that milk banks can tremendously improve child mortality rate
 
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And for your information, pork is allowed when your life is under threat, but incest neither is allowed nor it will be necessary to save anyone.

For some babies it is literally life and death especially the premature ones. Also some mothers are unable to produce milk, or have trouble producing it, at first. So for the baby it is life and death.
However, there are alternative measures that can be introduced without this milk bank where no one knows whose milk a baby is drinking. This is how life can be saved. An alternative measure will be clear to the parents of a child who is the donor mother. It is not that difficult. But, the milk must be stopped from mixing in an inhuman bank.
 
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