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Can someone pls tell Bangladesh navy to buy this frigate!Russia to sell its last three Talwar equivalent frigates.
Russia hoping to export three sanction-hit Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates
Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - IHS Jane's Navy International
Key Points
Russia is hoping to find an export customer for the final three Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356M) frigates currently being built for the Russian Navy, a source told IHS Jane's .
- Russia may offer its final three Project 11356M frigates for export
- Funding for the vessels would be reassigned to accelerate other programmes
"The Defence Ministry is reallocating the money, initially set aside for the other three frigates, to the construction of other ships it badly needs. Meetings of Defence Ministry and Federal Military Technical Co-operation Service officials suggested that a solution could be to export the ships," the source said.
The vessels are being constructed at the Kaliningrad-based Yantar Shipyard and use a Ukrainian Zorya-Mashproyekt gas-turbine propulsion plant. While Russia has already received the propulsion systems for the first three vessels, Ukraine's termination of defence exports to Russia has left the final three without their turbines.
Saturn was to build alternative M90FP turbines for the class under Russia's import substitution programme. However these cannot be completed before 2019-2020, with this further delay to an already delayed build programme not suiting the Russian Navy.
While Ukraine will not supply the engines to Russia, the option is open for an export customer to acquire the vessels from Russia and the engines separately from Ukraine.
The Indian Navy has expressed an interest in receiving three Admiral Grigorovich-class vessels, which are based on its six Russian-built Talwar-class frigates. However, in July India noted it was looking to licence-build the design in India, rather than to purchase them already built. It is not clear whether India has now changed its aims to licence-build the vessels, or whether it may look to do both.
The first-of-class Admiral Grigorovich is currently conducting state sea trials, and is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet in November (two years behind schedule).
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If offered with ToT - could two of these frigates compete for Bangladesh' recent frigate requirement? These 4000 ton vessels are very capable vessels and Russian credit is convenient.
Or is it still going to be the equivalent of Chinese made 'corvettes' for Algeria (C28A) or modified Incheon-class FFX?
C-28A
The following is from another post @Penguin bhai made sometime ago about the C28A (this is an analog to the F22P Zulfiqar class.)
Details and a near-definitive model of the C28A first emerged during the DSA show. According to CSTC officials, the ship is about 120 m in length, with a beam of 14.4 m, a draft of 3.87 m, a standard displacement of about 2,880 tons, and a full-load displacement of more than 3,000 tons. According to a 30 May 2014 press release from CSSC, it was designed by the 708 Institute, which is also known as the Marine Design and Research Institute of China (MARIC).
Chinese sources suggest it is an evolution of Pakistan's F-22P on the basis that Algerian naval teams visited Pakistan to see that frigate's operations first-hand. The C28A also appears to borrow design elements from the Type 054A frigate of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.
The C-28A's combat system is largely Chinese with the exception of the Thales Smart-S Mk 2, associated multifunction operator consoles (MOC)/Tacticos cluster, Link Y datalinks, and associated consoles. Four or so MOC for the Smart-S are integrated with a CSTC-supplied combat management system (CMS).
Weapons include a single 76 mm gun - the export variant of which is known as NG-16-1 - two quad launchers for C-802 or C-802A anti-ship missiles mounted transversely amidships, an octuple FM-90N launcher for short-range HQ-7 surface-to-air missiles, two 30 mm Type 730B close-in weapons systems (CIWS) similar to the ones on the F-22P, two triple-tube torpedo launchers that fire through an opening in the hull, and four 24-barreled decoy launchers.
As well as the Smart-S Mk 2, sensors include two navigation radars - an I-band (X-band) set and an E/F-band (S-band) set - that are thought to be Kelvin Hughes SharpEye radars. The C28A also has a radome for what is likely to be a Type 364 radar, two fire control radars (FCR) from the Type 47 family, and what looks like a Type 343G FCR with a combined radar and electro-optic system that is identical to the sets mounted on the F-22P. The electronic warfare (EW) suite appears to be similar to the F-22P's. Speculation that its sonar will be of Chinese origin has yet to be confirmed.
The propulsion system consists of four MTU diesels. In a departure from existing designs, there is no funnel stack. Instead, the diesels exhaust near the waterline as they do on MEKO-type frigates to minimize infrared signatures. Top speed is expected to be around 30 kts. The hull has two sets of fin stabilizers as well as bilge keels.
The ship has hangars for boats and a helicopter. The latter will presumably be able to accommodate one of the Agusta-Westland AW-159 Wildcat helicopters in service with the Algerian Navy.
Source: News of C28A for Algerian Navy: Real-time updates | Page 11
Russia to sell its last three Talwar equivalent frigates.
Russia hoping to export three sanction-hit Admiral Grigorovich-class frigates
Nikolai Novichkov, Moscow - IHS Jane's Navy International
Key Points
Russia is hoping to find an export customer for the final three Admiral Grigorovich-class (Project 11356M) frigates currently being built for the Russian Navy, a source told IHS Jane's .
- Russia may offer its final three Project 11356M frigates for export
- Funding for the vessels would be reassigned to accelerate other programmes
"The Defence Ministry is reallocating the money, initially set aside for the other three frigates, to the construction of other ships it badly needs. Meetings of Defence Ministry and Federal Military Technical Co-operation Service officials suggested that a solution could be to export the ships," the source said.
The vessels are being constructed at the Kaliningrad-based Yantar Shipyard and use a Ukrainian Zorya-Mashproyekt gas-turbine propulsion plant. While Russia has already received the propulsion systems for the first three vessels, Ukraine's termination of defence exports to Russia has left the final three without their turbines.
Saturn was to build alternative M90FP turbines for the class under Russia's import substitution programme. However these cannot be completed before 2019-2020, with this further delay to an already delayed build programme not suiting the Russian Navy.
While Ukraine will not supply the engines to Russia, the option is open for an export customer to acquire the vessels from Russia and the engines separately from Ukraine.
The Indian Navy has expressed an interest in receiving three Admiral Grigorovich-class vessels, which are based on its six Russian-built Talwar-class frigates. However, in July India noted it was looking to licence-build the design in India, rather than to purchase them already built. It is not clear whether India has now changed its aims to licence-build the vessels, or whether it may look to do both.
The first-of-class Admiral Grigorovich is currently conducting state sea trials, and is expected to be delivered to the Russian Navy's Black Sea Fleet in November (two years behind schedule).
_______________________________________________________________
If offered with ToT - could two of these frigates compete for Bangladesh' recent frigate requirement? These 4000 ton vessels are very capable vessels and Russian credit is convenient.
Or is it still going to be the equivalent of Chinese made 'corvettes' for Algeria (C28A) or modified Incheon-class FFX?
C-28A
The following is from another post @Penguin bhai made sometime ago about the C28A (this is an analog to the F22P Zulfiqar class.)
Details and a near-definitive model of the C28A first emerged during the DSA show. According to CSTC officials, the ship is about 120 m in length, with a beam of 14.4 m, a draft of 3.87 m, a standard displacement of about 2,880 tons, and a full-load displacement of more than 3,000 tons. According to a 30 May 2014 press release from CSSC, it was designed by the 708 Institute, which is also known as the Marine Design and Research Institute of China (MARIC).
Chinese sources suggest it is an evolution of Pakistan's F-22P on the basis that Algerian naval teams visited Pakistan to see that frigate's operations first-hand. The C28A also appears to borrow design elements from the Type 054A frigate of the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy.
The C-28A's combat system is largely Chinese with the exception of the Thales Smart-S Mk 2, associated multifunction operator consoles (MOC)/Tacticos cluster, Link Y datalinks, and associated consoles. Four or so MOC for the Smart-S are integrated with a CSTC-supplied combat management system (CMS).
Weapons include a single 76 mm gun - the export variant of which is known as NG-16-1 - two quad launchers for C-802 or C-802A anti-ship missiles mounted transversely amidships, an octuple FM-90N launcher for short-range HQ-7 surface-to-air missiles, two 30 mm Type 730B close-in weapons systems (CIWS) similar to the ones on the F-22P, two triple-tube torpedo launchers that fire through an opening in the hull, and four 24-barreled decoy launchers.
As well as the Smart-S Mk 2, sensors include two navigation radars - an I-band (X-band) set and an E/F-band (S-band) set - that are thought to be Kelvin Hughes SharpEye radars. The C28A also has a radome for what is likely to be a Type 364 radar, two fire control radars (FCR) from the Type 47 family, and what looks like a Type 343G FCR with a combined radar and electro-optic system that is identical to the sets mounted on the F-22P. The electronic warfare (EW) suite appears to be similar to the F-22P's. Speculation that its sonar will be of Chinese origin has yet to be confirmed.
The propulsion system consists of four MTU diesels. In a departure from existing designs, there is no funnel stack. Instead, the diesels exhaust near the waterline as they do on MEKO-type frigates to minimize infrared signatures. Top speed is expected to be around 30 kts. The hull has two sets of fin stabilizers as well as bilge keels.
The ship has hangars for boats and a helicopter. The latter will presumably be able to accommodate one of the Agusta-Westland AW-159 Wildcat helicopters in service with the Algerian Navy.
Source: News of C28A for Algerian Navy: Real-time updates | Page 11
over price for bangladesh, $500-$550M per frigate, chinese option is better. Chinese has offered a wide range of frigates for export with reasonable price like around $350M at bestCan someone pls tell Bangladesh navy to buy this frigate!
Who says the Russians would be asking $500-$550 million per frigate? Remember they are kind of stuck with these.over price for bangladesh, $500-$550M per frigate, chinese option is better. Chinese has offered a wide range of frigates for export with reasonable price like around $350M at best
just checked the price, if they charge around $300M, well I will do lungi danceWho says the Russians would be asking $500-$550 million per frigate? Remember they are kind of stuck with these.
Not if India wants themjust checked the price, if they charge around $300M, well I will do lungi dance
i thought you believe in made in India and India is self-depended who builds indigenous warshipsNot if India wants them
Another shot of the Buyan class at the Almaz shipyard. Some showing Russian water-jet drive units.
over price for bangladesh, $500-$550M per frigate, chinese option is better. Chinese has offered a wide range of frigates for export with reasonable price like around $350M at best
Who says the Russians would be asking $500-$550 million per frigate? Remember they are kind of stuck with these.
just checked the price, if they charge around $300M, well I will do lungi dance
Well, supply and demand at work, I would say. If India isn't interested (it could get the necessary engines directly from Ukraine), where are the Russians going to go with these ships? And if they are stuck with them, prices wil drop, fast. There being an alternative buyer, should also affect the price for the 'preferred' buyer, India.Not if India wants them
India - or any client - can directly order the GtUs from Ukraine (who are stuck with 3 sets of GtUs that they won't be delivering to Russia) , and 'drop' them in.Russia dont want this plus they want to get rid of it and it dont have engine
so they will put the price down
if still expensive we better be off with the chinese one
Egypt can be also a alternative buyer.......................Well, supply and demand at work, I would say. If India isn't interested (it could get the necessary engines directly from Ukraine), where are the Russians going to go with these ships? And if they are stuck with them, prices wil drop, fast. There being an alternative buyer, should also affect the price for the 'preferred' buyer, India.
India - or any client - can directly order the GtUs from Ukraine (who are stuck with 3 sets of GtUs that they won't be delivering to Russia) , and 'drop' them in.
Nah, they are acquiring ships from the French.Egypt can be also a alternative buyer.......................