Bangladesh improves 11 steps in new GFP ranking. Now 45th strongest military in the world.

[Hamza913]

As far as current inventory is concerned, Bangladesh navy has upper hand over UAE.

Their aircraft would sink your ships.

OK, Hypothetical neighboring UAE destroys Bangladesh air force in the 1st day of war by using it's far superior Air Force and make Bangladesh's ground forces ineffective. then what? Do UAE is capable to mount an ground invasion of Bangladesh with their tiny army to occupy it to neutralize it's farther hostility? No. So, fighting would come to a halt for a brief period only, but state of war will continue. Meantime both Bangladesh and UAE would goes to general mobilization and weapon collection. Here Bangladesh has big advantage. Both country's economic size are comparable. But UAE's economy would start to crumble once it's 90 percent expat population start to leave. Moreover, UAE is a country 100 percent dependent on foreign food import, even it's drinking water comes from desalination plant.

Talking about who is more powerful is different to discussing who would win in a war. A war-scenario involves more variables than just raw power.

any protracted war like situation will have more lethal consequence for UAE.

No it wouldn't, they would still have plenty of foreigners who would work for them. Bengalis aren't their only resource pool.

f superior air force was the only criteria to win the war, then after Korean war, North Korea should not have existed as a country

No, because the tech gap between them wasn't always this big. And North Korea has nuclear weapons, as well as the ability to still cause some nasty damage to the South due to their artillery, submarines, tunnels that go to the South, etc.

Western backed Saddam's Iraq should have won over Iran in the first year of Iraq-Iran war in 1980.

The Iranian military was very well equipped, they just started out a little unorganised (hence why Iraq was so successful in the beginning).

Indonesia is certainly far more powerful country than Israel.

No it's not. Even without American support, Israel is still far more powerful than Indonesia.

Withdraw 'all free' American support for Israel, only allow weapon purchase by it's own money for both Israel and Indonesia from global market and then allow them to engage in hostility for few years. Then see, which country prevail at the end.

It would be Israel.

90% of UAE population is expat and very large number are indians and from other countries.

Key words being "other countries".

UAE and Singapore without US support are nothing

No, if the US were to drop all support tomorrow, they'd still pack a punch, albeit a much weaker one. They can always go to other countries to help them manage their Western inventory.

 

[Bengal71]

Their aircraft would sink your ships.



Talking about who is more powerful is different to discussing who would win in a war. A war-scenario involves more variables than just raw power.



No it wouldn't, they would still have plenty of foreigners who would work for them. Bengalis aren't their only resource pool.



No, because the tech gap between them wasn't always this big. And North Korea has nuclear weapons, as well as the ability to still cause some nasty damage to the South due to their artillery, submarines, tunnels that go to the South, etc.



The Iranian military was very well equipped, they just started out a little unorganised (hence why Iraq was so successful in the beginning).



No it's not. Even without American support, Israel is still far more powerful than Indonesia.



It would be Israel.



Key words being "other countries".



No, if the US were to drop all support tomorrow, they'd still pack a punch, albeit a much weaker one. They can always go to other countries to help them manage their Western inventory.

LOL.

You sound like a 12 year old, you even managed to say Israel will fare better than Indonesia even without western support. Good, carry on.

 

[Hamza913]

You sound like a 12 year old, you even managed to say Israel will fare better than Indonesia even without western support. Good, carry on.

If I'm the 12 year old, then you're a 4 year old with severe mental retardation. Do you know how much Israel produces on it's own?

 

[UKBengali]

If I'm the 12 year old, then you're a 4 year old with severe mental retardation. Do you know how much Israel produces on it's own?

Mainly subsystems like radars but little all by themselves.

 

[Bengal71]

If I'm the 12 year old, then you're a 4 year old with severe mental retardation. Do you know how much Israel produces on it's own?

Carry on mate, over and out.

 

[Hamza913]

Mainly subsystems like radars but little all by themselves.

Is that a joke? They make their own nukes, their own tanks, their own air defence systems, their own rifles, etc. They are VERY self-sufficient.

 

[UKBengali]

Is that a joke? They make their own nukes, their own tanks, their own air defence systems, their own rifles, etc. They are VERY self-sufficient.

Tanks require foreign engines.
Only weapon they can make themselves is SAMs.
BD makes rifles.

 

[Hamza913]

Tanks require foreign engines.
Only weapon they can make themselves is SAMs.
BD makes rifles.

Whatever makes you feel better.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

No it wouldn't, they would still have plenty of foreigners who would work for them. Bengalis aren't their only resource pool.

So what? Expats do not live in a country which is engaged in a war and have uncertain economic future. Citizen can not leave but expats will get out at first chance and head back to their country of origin rather than caught in crossfire and risking life. It does not matter whether they are Bengalis or not.

No, because the tech gap between them wasn't always this big. And North Korea has nuclear weapons, as well as the ability to still cause some nasty damage to the South due to their artillery, submarines, tunnels that go to the South, etc.

I was talking about 1950s Korean war, not current nuclear armed North Korea. Then North Korea had very rudimentary air forces and United States bombed every inches of North Korea with it's massive air forces. Still North Korea did not capitulated. North Korea is still capable to inflict heavy damage on South Korea/US forces despite their vintage air forces.

The Iranian military was very well equipped, they just started out a little unorganised (hence why Iraq was so successful in the beginning).

Iraq got backing of Western countries as well as entire Arab World. While Iran suffered western sanction/ arms embargo. Iran was in the midst of revolutionary chaos. Still at the end, Iran prevailed. because it was a stronger country than Iraq despite it's inferior weapons and external supply compared to Iraq.

No it's not. Even without American support, Israel is still far more powerful than Indonesia.

You are entitled to your own opinion. But that does not make it necessarily true. Israel is a country can not sustain long, protracted war. Can not absorb large scale fatalities, population and industries are cramped in a narrow corridor, dependent on other countries for food, fuel and other raw materials. No wonder, they devised the strategy of 'preemptive strike'. Now compare this with world's 4th largest nation, 7th largest economy, 3000 miles wide country with immense natural resources and man power, with decent domestic industrial base. I am talking about Indonesia.

 

[Hamza913]

So what? Expats do not live in a country which is engaged in a war and have uncertain economic future.

Bangladesh would not pose enough of a threat for people to leave the UAE.

I was talking about 1950s Korean war, not present scenario

The tech gap back then was far smaller, and it was a different time back then, aircraft have become much more advanced since then.

Iraq got backing of Western countries as well as entire Arab World.

And Iran got the backing of Israel, Syria, North Korea, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China, Italy, Germany, South Korea, Pakistan, Portugal, South Africa, etc. It's not like they didn't get support from anyone, a lot of countries sold arms to Iran (and a lot of them also supported both countries simultaneously).

You are entitled to your own opinion. But that does not make it necessarily true.

It is true. Israel makes it's own rifles, nukes, tanks, radars, etc. They even used to make their own fighter jets.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bangladesh would not pose enough of a threat for people to leave the UAE.

You are wrong. Expats are like a herd of sheep. They start to leave at the slightest hints of economic stagnation. And we are talking about full scale war. A few hundred fatalities on expats will be enough to convince the rest to move out UAE.

The tech gap back then was far smaller, and it was a different time back then, aircraft have become much more advanced since then.

Tech gap between North Korea and US was then as wide as it is now. Now North Korea has 1300 aircraft, In 1950s, it had almost no air forces. While US bombed every inches of North Korea with it's air forces. Do you want to say that almost nothing vs every inches bombed is anyway less technological gap than current North Korea with 1300 combat aircraft compared to US+South Korean air forces in Korean peninsula?

And Iran got the backing of Israel, Syria, North Korea, Austria, Belgium, Brazil, China, Italy, Germany, South Korea, Pakistan, Portugal, South Africa, etc. It's not like they didn't get support from anyone, a lot of countries sold arms to Iran (and a lot of them also supported both countries simultaneously).

Yes, both sides got external support more or less. But finally Iran prevailed. That means, Iran's own strength proved decisive above all external support(which is more often tilted in favor of Iraq). It prove my point if you can realize.

It is true. Israel makes it's own rifles, nukes, tanks, radars, etc. They even used to make their own fighter jets.

And Indonesia? Don't they produce anything? Most importantly, Indonesia now in a peaceful environment unlike Israel which is always in a state of war. If Indonesia were at war with Israel, you would have seen the size of Indonesian military and it's domestic defence industry. It would have been several times bigger than now. Even with such a peaceful enviornment and zero external threat, Indonesia's armed forces and defence industry is pretty impressive. So, GFP is right about placing Indonesia ahead of Israel. They take into account of many factors rather than seeing their current armed forces with just a face value.

 

[Hamza913]

You are wrong. Expats are like a herd of sheep. They start to leave at the slightest hints of economic stagnation. And we are talking about full scale war. A few hundred fatalities on expats will be enough to convince the rest to move out UAE.

Bangladesh cannot strike the UAE. The expats would face no harm.

Tech gap between North Korea and US was then as wide as it is now.

No it wasn't. And back then, the Chinese were supporting them too.

But finally Iran prevailed.

The war was a stalemate.

And Indonesia? Don't they produce anything? Most importantly, Indonesia now in a peaceful environment unlike Israel which is always in a state of war. If Indonesia were at war with Israel, you would have seen the size of Indonesian military and it's domestic defence industry. It would have been several times bigger than now. Even with such a peaceful enviornment and zero external threat, Indonesia's armed forces and defence industry is pretty impressive. So, GFP is right about placing Indonesia ahead of Israel. They take into account of many factors rather than seeing their current armed forces with just a face value.

Israel could literally glass Indonesia before they have a chance to make anything.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Bangladesh cannot strike the UAE. The expats would face no harm.

You seems to be forgetting that, you started this argument with hypothetical scenario where UAE and Bangladesh are neighbors. I am talking based on that scenario. Do you think, Bangladesh can not strike UAE if it were a neighbor of Bangladesh? Why are you changing the goalpost now? It is true that, in reality neither UAE nor Bangladesh can strike each other considering the vast distance. But we are not talking about reality. You stated this argument with a hypotherical scenario where UAE is a neighbor of Bangladesh. My all arguments is rests on that premise. Why are you changing this now?

No it wasn't. And back then, the Chinese were supporting them too.

So you are comparing now with Chinese support in 1950s with American direct involvement? Do you think China in 1950s was as powerful as it is now? Then China was a dirt poor country and their capability to help North Korea was limited.

The war was a stalemate.

But you have to look at the position of confronting sides at the end. Iran was in a relatively stronger position. Even a stalemate was a Iranian strategic victory in a sense that, Saddam did not achieve any of his objective. Iran proved too powerful to him. After 8 years of war, Iran started to prevail. Only then he accepted cease fire. So it was a defeat for him.

Israel could literally glass Indonesia before they have a chance to make anything.

You are desperate to cling in your argument without any substantial logic. Explain how Israel will overcome Indonesia in all out war? Forget Indonesia, Israel is not even capable to defeat Egypt in a conventional war now according to Binkov's war scenario. If you are so expert, make a realistic war scenario where Israel glass Indonesia, rather than these tall claims. Indonesia is a country 4 times the size of Egypt.

Your every posts now is such desperate claims without any deep input just to survive in this argument. You are now changing your own goal post where UAE and Bangladesh not neighbors, with which you strated your argument initially. Dirt poor China in 1950s support for North Korea is as decisive as direct participation of America in Korean war to you, refusing Iranian strategic victory and claiming Israel will glass Indonesia without any explanation. All of these are the sign of your desperation.

 

[Hamza913]

You seems to be forgetting that, you started this argument with hypothetical scenario where UAE and Bangladesh are neighbors.

No I didn't.

Do you think China in 1950s was as powerful as it is now?

They were certainly still a force to be reckoned with.

But you have to look at the position of confronting sides at the end. Iran was in a relatively stronger position.

No it wasn't. It's military was almost entirely exhausted, they suffered multiple times as many casualties, Iraq still held onto a large portion of Iranian territory, and the Iraqi military still advanced through Iran (almost to Tehran) even when both sides accepted Resolution 598.

Explain how Israel will overcome Indonesia in all out war?

By nuking them, or using their far superior air force to bomb the crap out of Indonesia.

 

[Nike]

Someone think Indonesia cant bought large number of fighter and bomber and just sitting idly when conflict will arise. When necessity is arise so will with our resolution, we just can spending half of our State budget for five to ten straight years just like what happened in 60s decade, and build formidable fleets of Naval and Airforce. Even the Brits along with their allies in 60s must calculated everything meticulously when facing against our forces.