Bangladesh improves 11 steps in new GFP ranking. Now 45th strongest military in the world.

[Bengal71]

Global Firepower is actually disgusting, they put Israel behind freaking Indonesia.



It sucks, end of story. It put Indonesia, I repeat, Indonesia, above Israel.



The UAE has almost 150 Vipers/2000s, and their Vipers in particular are quite lethal, belonging to the latest batch and literally being described as a cheaper alternative to the F-35. They've also got about 30 Rafales on order.

Bangladesh, on the other hand, has less than 40 Fishcans and only 8 Fulcrums. Not only that, but the UAE's air force has far more combat experience.

This edge in airpower is enough to conclude that the UAE is more powerful than Bangladesh by a significant margin.

And if you want to discuss who would win in a war, the UAE would have the ability to hit Bangladesh pretty hard using economical warfare alone, bringing in their military wouldn't even be necessary.

And yes GFP is right about putting Indonesia over Israel. Indonesia is a massive landmass with so much natural resources and with a huge population. The fvcken Israel is nothing without the backing of US and Europe.

 

[Pakistansdefender]

They must be careful of Indian expansionist designs, India plan to merge Dhaka in a decade or so..
Their establishment claim it openly.
Hopefully their mother Hassina knew that.

 

[Awan68]

Mate, nobody is talking about BD going all the way to Arabian gulf and fighting UAE. It's about a comparison of that GFP put forth, in a comparison BD is definitely ahead in terms of war survival. We have land and natural resources, with that huge population we can still feed them during war time, we can even go foraging to survive, worst case scenario we can take a hit of 50% population being wiped out due to hunger, we have done so during the Bangal famine in the time of British raj. We has nothing, absolutely nothing to function as a state apart from their oil and gas. They don't have the most important thing the human resource, they don't have water sources and an agriculture to speak of.

Don't behave like a shiny toy fanboy, war of survival does not work like that.

There are no shiny toys in war, only tools of destruction. My analysis is based on hypothetical war scenarios between the two states. Ur logic is flawed to the point of sheer......., both of u are conventional powers, not nuclear ones so we are not talking wiping half populations here. We are talking about how much each side can hurt each other, UAE can hurt u a lot more than they could hurt u.

Now lets say that u had a decent airforce, even half there numbers, this way u could deny them air superiority for atleast a week and in a week u could no doubt run over there country by sheer numbers but without aircover there is no conventional advance in modern warfare. Hope the logic gets across.

Maybe its time to shake the saree of hasina a little bit and make her cough up 2-3 squadrons of 4th gen jets. UAE is just a fictional scenario, the RSS hindutva regime under modi is a real one for u guys, they see u as a soft target and may try to run u over one day like hitler did to poland and i can assure u we wont come to help....

 

[Hamza913]

I don't know why you are giving a tally of how many vipers they have. I already know they have many advanced weapons. But that's not the point. UAE can hardly be called a nation or a state. 90% of it's population is expat and local population is only about 1 million. Their entire country will come to a grinding standstill the moment war breaks out, they won't even have water supply, sweage operating properly or electricity working properly.

BD is not a great power, it's not even a strong enough military power for it's size of population and economy, but that does not mean a comparison can be made with a country like UAE. Same goes about countries like Singapore, they have very advanced weapons and the backing of USA but on their own they are nothing.

The UAE isn't just run by Bengalis, a bulk of the workforce comes from other places so even without you, they would manage.

With or without American support, Singapore and the UAE are both currently more powerful than Bangladesh.

And yes GFP is right about putting Indonesia over Israel. Indonesia is a massive landmass with so much natural resources and with a huge population. The fvcken Israel is nothing without the backing of US and Europe.

You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

 

[Avicenna]

Not true. In fact, use the comparison tool for UAE v Bangladesh, which the poster before you is upset about.

Goes to show that nobody actually reads how the rankings are calculated.

You're correct.

I didn't read how the rankings are calculated before I commented.

So I went back and read it.

Not only is it BULLSHIT, its completely ASININE.

They use a "unique, in-house formula" which appears to be irrelevant.

They come up with their "power index" by apparently giving way to much weight total manpower.

The question is though, what exactly are we measuring here?

The ability to wage war?

I don't understand.

However, given the eye ball test.

This ranking is useless.

In no way can you tell me Bangladesh is more powerful than UAE.

NO F-IN WAY!

 

[Nike]

The UAE isn't just run by Bengalis, a bulk of the workforce comes from other places so even without you, they would manage.

With or without American support, Singapore and the UAE are both currently more powerful than Bangladesh.



You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

Well, if any country perceived dangers before them directly like what Israel had, they will chose to be armed to the teeth. Indonesia had experience like this once, for now we are in peacefull environment and neighbourhood there is no justice to bought and maintain large scale armaments in scale middle east countries do.

But with our current economy and industry capabilities we had, we are surely capable to fielding much larger military forces, larger than even Israel and Saudi Arabia combined.

 

[Hamza913]

But with our current economy and industry capabilities we had, we are surely capable to fielding much larger military forces, larger than even Israel and Saudi Arabia combined.

No, they still have far more financial resources than you, and their equipment shows this.

 

[Bengal71]

The UAE isn't just run by Bengalis, a bulk of the workforce comes from other places so even without you, they would manage.

With or without American support, Singapore and the UAE are both currently more powerful than Bangladesh.



You clearly don't know what you're talking about.

I did not say UAE is run by Bengalis, I think you just trying diversions. 90% of UAE population is expat and very large number are indians and from other countries.

UAE and Singapore without US support are nothing, Malaysians won't even need to fight them, they will just line up and pee in the direction of Singapore and it will get flooded. Victory achieved.

Well, if any country perceived dangers before them directly like what Israel had, they will chose to be armed to the teeth. Indonesia had experience like this once, for now we are in peacefull environment and neighbourhood there is no justice to bought and maintain large scale armaments in scale middle east countries do.

But with our current economy and industry capabilities we had, we are surely capable to fielding much larger military forces, larger than even Israel and Saudi Arabia combined.

Mate, don't waste time with fanboys, they see shiny advanced weapons and they think it's so cool.

In a major war, countries with inherent natural resources, large human resources will win. If that was not the case, the Saudi, UAE allies would have finished Iran by now, they know they can't.

And you are right, Indonesia has far more resource, population and landmass to field a military far bigger than the Saudis, and indeed Indonesia will screw both KSA and Isarel combined in a hypothetical war given the Saudis and Israelis are not backed by western powers.

You're correct.

I didn't read how the rankings are calculated before I commented.

So I went back and read it.

Not only is it BULLSHIT, its completely ASININE.

They use a "unique, in-house formula" which appears to be irrelevant.

They come up with their "power index" by apparently giving way to much weight total manpower.

The question is though, what exactly are we measuring here?

The ability to wage war?

I don't understand.

However, given the eye ball test.

This ranking is useless.

In no way can you tell me Bangladesh is more powerful than UAE.

NO F-IN WAY!

Mate you are now also behaving like fanboys. UAE and BD comparison even becomes a question if UAE were a state apart from in papers. UAE does not even have the population to run it's own country, it can't sustain a war for more than a week, first few bomb blasts, all the foreign people who run that 'state' will run away, then the country stops totally. That's it, UAE is finished. All the macho behavior of UAE is because they are the carpet dogs of Americans and they got money. Try to look past the facade.

 

[Nike]

No, they still have far more financial resources than you, and their equipment shows this.

No kidding, Saudi and Israel state budget is less than Indonesia

 

[UKBengali]

No kidding, Saudi and Israel state budget is less than Indonesia

The posters was talking about defence budget.

 

[Avicenna]

I did not say UAE is run by Bengalis, I think you just trying diversions. 90% of UAE population is expat and very large number are indians and from other countries.

UAE and Singapore without US support are nothing, Malaysians won't even need to fight them, they will just line up and pee in the direction of Singapore and it will get flooded. Victory achieved.



Mate, don't waste time with fanboys, they see shiny advanced weapons and they think it's so cool.

In a major war, countries with inherent natural resources, large human resources will win. If that was not the case, the Saudi, UAE allies would have finished Iran by now, they know they can't.

And you are right, Indonesia has far more resource, population and landmass to field a military far bigger than the Saudis, and indeed Indonesia will screw both KSA and Isarel combined in a hypothetical war given the Saudis and Israelis are not backed by western powers.



Mate you are now also behaving like fanboys. UAE and BD comparison even becomes a question if UAE were a state apart from in papers. UAE does not even have the population to run it's own country, it can't sustain a war for more than a week, first few bomb blasts, all the foreign people who run that 'state' will run away, then the country stops totally. That's it, UAE is finished. All the macho behavior of UAE is because they are the carpet dogs of Americans and they got money. Try to look past the facade.

Not a fanboi of the UAE.

But definitely a fanboi of reality.

Please do two things for me:

Define what we are comparing between UAE and BD.

Secondly, in what possible way is BD superior to the UAE.

Besides having 160 million people versus about a million Emiratis.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Mate, UAE has the direct backing of the west so there country wont come to a standstill. There allies wont allow u to block UAEs shipping lanes even if ur navy could block them which u cant actually. UAE and Bengka cant go to war due to three factors 1) the distance between the two states. 2) both countries lack amphibious landing and transport capability. 3) both lack long range bombers for ariel assaults. But lets imagine a scenario where u woukd he next to each other well, there airforce would knck out ur airforce the first day. Even a child knws that whatever the size of ur army, once aircover is gone, bye bye conventional war, it all gorilla for there. If u attempt conventional war with an adversory that has complete air superirotiy over u, well it will be a massacre, there areil assets will have a field day with ur advancing columns.

Firstly, potential western backing did not factored in the GFP ranking, only NATO members got an extra point due to obligatory nature of support for it's members.

OK, Hypothetical neighboring UAE destroys Bangladesh air force in the 1st day of war by using it's far superior Air Force and make Bangladesh's ground forces ineffective. then what? Do UAE is capable to mount an ground invasion of Bangladesh with their tiny army to occupy it to neutralize it's farther hostility? No. So, fighting would come to a halt for a brief period only, but state of war will continue. Meantime both Bangladesh and UAE would goes to general mobilization and weapon collection. Here Bangladesh has big advantage. Both country's economic size are comparable. But UAE's economy would start to crumble once it's 90 percent expat population start to leave. Moreover, UAE is a country 100 percent dependent on foreign food import, even it's drinking water comes from desalination plant.

As far as current inventory is concerned, Bangladesh navy has upper hand over UAE. Naval hostility and maritime shipping disruption will have more serious impact on UAE than Bangladesh. Because unlike UAE, which is almost 100 percent dependent on foreign import for almost all the basic necessities, Bangladesh's foreign trades are a small part of it's economy and most of the necessities are produced within the country. So, any protracted war like situation will have more lethal consequence for UAE. It's tiny population will only exacerbate it's problem kipping up with Bangladesh. I think, GFP certainly did not ranked Bangladesh or so many other countries with inferior air forces relative to UAE above it just by analyzing the outcome of first few day's of the hypothetical confrontation. if superior air force was the only criteria to win the war, then after Korean war, North Korea should not have existed as a country or Western backed Saddam's Iraq should have won over Iran in the first year of Iraq-Iran war in 1980.

It sucks, end of story. It put Indonesia, I repeat, Indonesia, above Israel.

Indonesia is certainly far more powerful country than Israel. Withdraw 'all free' American support for Israel, only allow weapon purchase by it's own money for both Israel and Indonesia from global market and then allow them to engage in hostility for few years. Then see, which country prevail at the end.

 

[countryman]

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/power-rankings
This is more useful ranking - the mix of variables they consider are better are better representatives of power but I think they need to improve their methodology - please get your country included in 2020 survey.

 

[Bengal71]

Not a fanboi of the UAE.

But definitely a fanboi of reality.

Please do two things for me:

Define what we are comparing between UAE and BD.

Secondly, in what possible way is BD superior to the UAE.

Besides having 160 million people versus about a million Emiratis.

A hypothetical scenario where UAE and BD are side by side. UAE having the same conditions as a state and BD having the same condition currently.

UAE:
- 90% population expat
- 10% citizens, only about 1 million
- No water source to sustain the country without high tech and power
- Almost total dependency on imports for food
- The 1 million population don't even run the organizations as in how a labor force does, they are only in official positions

BD:
- 100% population local and nationalist
- Huge water resources
- One of the most fertile lands on earth, produces it's own food
- Peoples ability to take hardship for long period is immense. The vast majority of people live in village who can even resort to foraging for food.
- Ability to absorb something as severe as loosing 50% population due to hunger and famine
- People are not burger kids, these are people of the land, the can go without electricity and other modern amenities.
- Well trained army. 6 million Ansar force with basic infantry training. If required millions more can be trained in a short period.

We are not talking about some 5/10 days show off to look cool with F-16 like Tom Cruise. We are talking about an all out war for the survival. UAE has no chance, first few barrage of howtzier rounds that will fall in UAE, all expats will leave. Then there will be no state at all, well almost. UAE is a joke of a comparison against BD.

People think they have money, shiny cities, their income is high and poor and destitute people of BD go there to work, so they have automatically developed a mindset that such a country will thrash a country like BD. It does not work like that.

Firstly, potential western backing did not factored in the GFP ranking, only NATO members got an extra point due to obligatory nature of support for it's members.

OK, Hypothetical neighboring UAE destroys Bangladesh air force in the 1st day of war by using it's far superior Air Force and make Bangladesh's ground forces ineffective. then what? Do UAE is capable to mount an ground invasion of Bangladesh with their tiny army to occupy it to neutralize it's farther hostility? No. So, fighting would come to a halt for a brief period only, but state of war will continue. Meantime both Bangladesh and UAE would goes to general mobilization and weapon collection. Here Bangladesh has advantage. Both country's economic size are comparable. But UAE's economy would start to crumble once it's 90 percent expat population start to leave. Moreover, UAE is a country 100 percent dependent on foreign food import, even it's drinking water comes from desalination plant.

As far as current inventory is concerned, Bangladesh navy has upper hand over UAE. Naval hostility and maritime shipping disruption will have more serious impact on UAE than Bangladesh. Because unlike UAE, which is almost 100 percent dependent on foreign import for almost all the basic necessities, Bangladesh's foreign trades are a small part of it's economy and most of the necessities are produced within the country. So, any protracted war like situation will have more lethal consequence for UAE. It's tiny population will only exacerbate it's problem kipping up with Bangladesh. I think, GFP certainly did not ranked Bangladesh or so many other countries with inferior air forces relative to UAE above it just by analyzing the outcome of first few day's of the hypothetical confrontation. if superior air force was the only criteria to win the war, then after Korean war, North Korea should not have existed as a country or Western backed Saddam's Iraq should have won over Iran in the first year of Iraq-Iran war in 1980.


Indonesia is certainly far far powerful country than Israel. Withdraw 'all free' American support for Israel, only allow weapon purchase by it's own money for both Israel and Indonesia from global market and then allow them to engage in hostility for few years. Then see, which country prevail at the end.

Ground forces won't be ineffective like that. Air superiority has advantage but it can't totally neutralize a large ground force making many evasive maneuvers. It's not that easy to detect ground force from air and just annihilate them that easily. There will be high casualty yes, but the remainder that will reach the other side will fvck up the tiny army UAE has.

 

[UKBengali]

A hypothetical scenario where UAE and BD are side by side. UAE having the same conditions as a state and BD having the same condition currently.

UAE:
- 90% population expat
- 10% citizens, only about 1 million
- No water source to sustain the country without high tech and power
- Almost total dependency on imports for food
- The 1 million population don't even run the organizations as in how a labor force does, they are only in official positions

BD:
- 100% population local and nationalist
- Huge water resources
- One of the most fertile lands on earth, produces it's own food
- Peoples ability to take hardship for long period is immense. The vast majority of people live in village who can even resort to foraging for food.
- Ability to absorb something as severe as loosing 50% population due to hunger and famine
- People are not burger kids, these are people of the land, the can go without electricity and other modern amenities.
- Well trained army. 6 million Ansar force with basic infantry training. If required millions more can be trained in a short period.

We are not talking about some 5/10 days show off to look cool with F-16 like Tom Cruise. We are talking about an all out war for the survival. UAE has no chance, first few barrage of howtzier rounds that will fall in UAE, all expats will leave. Then there will be no state at all, well almost. UAE is a joke of a comparison against BD.

People think they have money, shiny cities, their income is high and poor and destitute people of BD go there to work, so they have automatically developed a mindset that such a country will thrash a country like BD. It does not work like that.




Ground forces won't be ineffective like that. Air superiority has advantage but it can't totally neutralize a large ground force making many evasive maneuvers. It's not that easy to detect ground force from air and just annihilate them that easily. There will be high casualty yes, but the remainder that will reach the other side will fvck up the tiny army UAE has.

Excellent post.