Balkanization of India is viable but I don't care

[GHALIB]

I fail to understand where is the issue?

It is not like we are giving up our language.

We learn Hindi in addition to our mother tongue.

And there are studies that prove that people who learn multiple languages have better success in life.

I actually feel sorry for people from Hindi belt as they probably lose the opportunity to learn another language like we do.

Don't Pakistanis have Urdu as link Language?

now most of the schools are teaching third language in high school , children mostly prefer french . spanish and german .

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Note: Those who read why India's balkanization is viable should also read why I don't care.

I am a civilian. I know nothing about security issues - internal or external. But I am the person on ground and I can vouch for the plethora of inter-community dislike or animosity. Why, I have read that even the cadets of that sacred institution - whose objective is to protect the country - the magnificent NDA, practice provincialism. The senior cadets often befriend and spare the juniors the ragging if they hail from their own state.

This is an incomplete list of who hates/dislikes whom and other subversive elements in India:

* Hindus hate Muslims and vice versa

* Negligible hate between Hindus and Christians but mixing of the rituals of the two religions and Hindu-Christian marriage are a taboo

* In some rural regions of Hindi belt the caste violence is so intense that entire families are wiped out including children

* The numbers of tribals - who serve as cannon fodder in naxalite groups - is high. They are a great destabilizing factor.

* Northies hate Southies and vice versa

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike bhaiyyas of UP and Bihar

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike/hate Kannadigas

* Kannadigas hate almost everyone else and vice versa

* Tamilians hate almost everyone else

* A percentage of Keralites hate Kannadigas

* Northies find Telugu speaking people (both from Telangana and Andhra Pradesh) particularly disgusting and nauseating and have given them jocular names

* Many states in North East - with the exception of Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and nowadays hopefully Assam - hate mainland India

* Mainland Indians don't necessarily hate North East Indians but have a strong dislike and aversion to them and discriminate against them due to their Mongoloid features

* Goans are a special kind of idiots. They brawl with domestic tourists from all over the country but suck up to Whites and allow their nudity.

* Silver lining is nobody hates Sikhs and Sikhs hate nobody. Khalistan is history.

India also has two or three powerful enemies with whom it shares very long borders. But this situation is not an unusual case. In fact everywhere in the world balkanization process is ignited by foreign hand only.

One factor that works against the balkanization of India is the docility of South Indians. For balkanization, probably the entire populace should be of rebellious and perhaps a bit boisterous nature.

Why I don't care about India's fate?

Earlier I would root for singlehanded Indian victory over multiple external and internal enemies like Pakistan, China, USA, naxalites, Bangladesh etc. I would wonder if India is good enough to win and follow this "game". It would take exceptional intellect to prevent a tinderbox like India from inflaming. If one is able to hold India together like the British did, it would be nothing short of a work of a genius.

But I have had a bad experience with a genius. I was disappointed. Ever since, I have a dislike for geniuses. An explanatory paragraph:

I hate geniuses. I hate scientists, mathematicians, chess champions, prodigious engineers, prodigious economists and other technical prodigies. Earlier when I hadn't met one (or thought that I hadn't) I guessed being in the company of a genius would be riveting, thrilling, exciting etc. Like watching 1978 movie ‘Don’, reading the entertaining excerpts of the novel 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' (by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn), listening to great music etc. I had incorrectly thought that their presence is something worth looking forward to in life. But the reality really seems to be different. Now I know the feel of a company of a genius may be no better than workplace banality. I had presumed meeting a genius would be fun. But meeting with genius turned out to be an ordinary experience. It was not much pleasure.

It's very painful. If the best of humankind are boring, then is there anything to look forward to?

Since then, I am past caring. I stopped bothering about whether the establishment pulls the challenging feat off or whether they fail. The moment I think of the actuality of geniuses I instantly lose interest in the games of international politics.

- PRTP GWD

@Chanakyaa

- PRTP GWD

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Note: Those who read why India's balkanization is viable should also read why I don't care.

I am a civilian. I know nothing about security issues - internal or external. But I am the person on ground and I can vouch for the plethora of inter-community dislike or animosity. Why, I have read that even the cadets of that sacred institution - whose objective is to protect the country - the magnificent NDA, practice provincialism. The senior cadets often befriend and spare the juniors the ragging if they hail from their own state.

This is an incomplete list of who hates/dislikes whom and other subversive elements in India:

* Hindus hate Muslims and vice versa

* Negligible hate between Hindus and Christians but mixing of the rituals of the two religions and Hindu-Christian marriage are a taboo

* In some rural regions of Hindi belt the caste violence is so intense that entire families are wiped out including children

* The numbers of tribals - who serve as cannon fodder in naxalite groups - is high. They are a great destabilizing factor.

* Northies hate Southies and vice versa

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike bhaiyyas of UP and Bihar

* A percentage of Maharashtrians dislike/hate Kannadigas

* Kannadigas hate almost everyone else and vice versa

* Tamilians hate almost everyone else

* A percentage of Keralites hate Kannadigas

* Northies find Telugu speaking people (both from Telangana and Andhra Pradesh) particularly disgusting and nauseating and have given them jocular names

* Many states in North East - with the exception of Sikkim, Arunachal Pradesh and nowadays hopefully Assam - hate mainland India

* Mainland Indians don't necessarily hate North East Indians but have a strong dislike and aversion to them and discriminate against them due to their Mongoloid features

* Goans are a special kind of idiots. They brawl with domestic tourists from all over the country but suck up to Whites and allow their nudity.

* Silver lining is nobody hates Sikhs and Sikhs hate nobody. Khalistan is history.

India also has two or three powerful enemies with whom it shares very long borders. But this situation is not an unusual case. In fact everywhere in the world balkanization process is ignited by foreign hand only.

One factor that works against the balkanization of India is the docility of South Indians. For balkanization, probably the entire populace should be of rebellious and perhaps a bit boisterous nature.

Why I don't care about India's fate?

Earlier I would root for singlehanded Indian victory over multiple external and internal enemies like Pakistan, China, USA, naxalites, Bangladesh etc. I would wonder if India is good enough to win and follow this "game". It would take exceptional intellect to prevent a tinderbox like India from inflaming. If one is able to hold India together like the British did, it would be nothing short of a work of a genius.

But I have had a bad experience with a genius. I was disappointed. Ever since, I have a dislike for geniuses. An explanatory paragraph:

I hate geniuses. I hate scientists, mathematicians, chess champions, prodigious engineers, prodigious economists and other technical prodigies. Earlier when I hadn't met one (or thought that I hadn't) I guessed being in the company of a genius would be riveting, thrilling, exciting etc. Like watching 1978 movie ‘Don’, reading the entertaining excerpts of the novel 'One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich' (by Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn), listening to great music etc. I had incorrectly thought that their presence is something worth looking forward to in life. But the reality really seems to be different. Now I know the feel of a company of a genius may be no better than workplace banality. I had presumed meeting a genius would be fun. But meeting with genius turned out to be an ordinary experience. It was not much pleasure.

It's very painful. If the best of humankind are boring, then is there anything to look forward to?

Since then, I am past caring. I stopped bothering about whether the establishment pulls the challenging feat off or whether they fail. The moment I think of the actuality of geniuses I instantly lose interest in the games of international politics.

- PRTP GWD

@Smarana Mitra

- PRTP GWD

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Of course, genius. I agree with you there. Being a MAJORITY region meant nothing to the the Mountbattens or Radcliffe. They were probably having a laugh while going about it. "Some people will die in communal riots? Sucks for them!" That was their attitude.

It was necessary for me to point out that to you since you said Nehru influenced the British to get more territory. This is how the argument started:

You: Nehru convinced the Mountbattens and got more territory for India.
Me: The division was done on Hindu and Muslim populations.
You: Take the example of Hoshiarpur. It was Muslim majority but went to India.
Me: Muslim majority areas surrounded Hindu majority areas were given to India and vice versa. Take examples of Larkana, Shikarpur, Sukkur and Hyderabad which were Hindu majority but went to Pakistan.
You: Being a majority region meant nothing to the Mountbattens.

Any sane person can easily see how you just jump from one point to another without defending the original point.

Even Gurdaspur was Muslim majority. That is why Nehru spent a lot of time to secure Hoshiarpur. It was really very important.

Gurdaspur had an equal split. You also forget that Lahore, an important city had a strong Hindu and Sikh influence. Many of the lands and urban areas belonged to the Hindus and Sikhs even though the population slightly tilted in favour of the Muslims but not by much.

With exactly TWO fighter aircraft in its Indian air force arsenal and some outdated tanks, the Indians were not really in a position to fight a battle-hardened British Army.
Not to mention the first few air force chiefs of India and Naval chief were British citizens. India was not really on its feet for at least 3-4 years after independence.

The British had left India for good. They simply couldn't have controlled India once India got Independence. The people simply wouldn't have accepted that. So British invading India just after a year of Independence is senseless thinking. But considering the way you have put forth your illogical arguments, feel free to imagine these things. Also, battle-hardened or battle-weakened?

He didn't architect the shape of the Indian Union. But he did unify the princely states.

Nehru looked after India's outer borders but Sardar Patel looked after India's inner borders or to be accurate, Patel made sure that there are no inner borders. So yes, he was the architect of the shape of the Indian Union.

I still consider them the architects and founders of modern India for technical reasons. They could have chosen to send our beloved Mumbai back to the Portuguese.

You forgot Goa? We easily wrested it back from the Portugese. We would have done the same with Mumbai.

Anyway, I'm done with you. Your arguments are just all over the place and are trying to hold tenuously to a lost point.

Then how can you even debate. You are blindly claiming "we" (what is this "we" by the way) accept india. So you are a bhakth. India did not work. Its a horrible country with terrible injustices. But it wont move you - because you "accepted" it. Why are you even in debate forums - to crow and do pamphleteering here ?

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Says the dimwit belonging to a country with one of the lowest happiness index and gut wrenching poverty. But it doesnt matter as this brahmin "accepted" it. I cant debate with someone who is essentially inhuman and evil.

Have you suddenly become mentally unhinged? Anyway, just get lost.

and your point is?

Pehle khud ka dekho.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

You also forget that Lahore, an important city had a strong Hindu and Sikh influence. Many of the lands and urban areas belonged to the Hindus and Sikhs even though the population slightly tilted in favour of the Muslims but not by much.

Tell me one thing. In Lahore the populations of separate Hindu and Sikh communities each were less than that of Muslims. But the combined population of Hindus and Sikhs was bigger than the Muslim population, wasn't it?

- PRTP GWD

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Tell me one thing. In Lahore the populations of separate Hindu and Sikh communities each were less than that of Muslims. But the combined population of Hindus and Sikhs was bigger than the Muslim population, wasn't it?

- PRTP GWD

Lahore had a slight Muslim majority even taking into account population of both the Hindus and Sikhs together.

I don't normally argue with Hindutvadis as your brains are filled with gaoo mutra. But my points are set here clearly.

If it were other civilized posters, I would have told them "let us agree to disagree." I can't say the same to illogical Hindutvadis.

Now you come with the typical Hindutvaadi and gao-mutra trope when you lose an argument to get brownie points lol. And look at yourself and the cheap dirty things that you write before saying whether I'm a civilized poster or not.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

Lahore had a slight Muslim majority even taking into account population of both the Hindus and Sikhs together.

Are you sure? I read somewhere that Hindus and Sikhs of Lahore were confident that Lahore would be with India because their combined numbers were bigger than that of Muslims. The news of Lahore going to Pakistan came as an unexpected and cruel shock to them. In fact it's said that Nehru traded Lahore because he wanted a road route to Kashmir and that road passed through Muslim area.

- PRTP GWD

 

[Shantanu_Left]

Now you come with the typical Hindutvaadi and gao-mutra trope when you lose an argument to get brownie points lol. And look at yourself and the cheap dirty things that you write before saying whether I'm a civilized poster or not.

Lose an argument in your dreams. You're just not worth my time to dig out references.

All Hindutvadis are plain disgusting creatures.

 

[Chanakyaa]

I don't normally argue with Hindutvadis as your brains are filled with gaoo mutra. But my points are set here clearly.

If it were other civilized posters, I would have told them "let us agree to disagree." I can't say the same to illogical Hindutvadis.

Lose an argument in your dreams. You're just not worth my time to dig out references.

All Hindutvadis are plain disgusting creatures.

Correction its Not about Hindutvavadis.
You wanted to say "INDIANS", Just like you did earlier.

 

[TheGreatMaratha]

Are you sure? I read somewhere that Hindus and Sikhs of Lahore were confident that Lahore would be with India because their combined numbers were bigger than that of Muslims. The news of Lahore going to Pakistan came as an unexpected and cruel shock to them. In fact it's said that Nehru traded Lahore because he wanted a road route to Kashmir and that road passed through Muslim area.

The Radcliffe Award was announced to the leaders on 16th August and to the public on 17th August, which is 2-3 days after independence. Everything was uncertain for the people on both sides, since many of them were illiterates. You can hardly expect anyone to leave his house in advance on border areas with roughly equal population splits. There could have been a lot of rumors floating around that since the elite of Lahore were majorly Hindus and Sikhs, Lahore would stay with India.

And no, the combined numbers of Hindus and Sikhs was not higher than Muslims according to data.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

@Chanakyaa @TheGreatMaratha

He could be Singaporean and may have learnt a bit of Hindi and Marathi to give his posts a facade of Indianness.

A little known fact:

Singaporeans hate Indians. My friend who worked in Singapore told me, "Indians have spread all over the world like plague. Rest of the world wishes to eradicate this race." He was referring to Singaporeans because that's who he had come in contact with. I asked, "How do you know that rest of the world wants to eradicate us?" He replied, "Because I interact with many of them day to day. They are polite but I know what they think."

@Trango Towers can throw light on this because he knows how Indians are hated all over the world.

- PRTP GWD

 

[Shantanu_Left]

THis is your response ? infantile pathetic creatures from the depths of ignorance. Using childish insults and throwing tantrums. Most of you lack basic sense of self respect but come here not to discuss but to troll. "get lost" applies to you from everywhere. YOu lot bring misery wherever you go.

Are you Indian, Pakistani or White American?

 

[letsrock]

I fail to understand where is the issue?

It is not like we are giving up our language.

We learn Hindi in addition to our mother tongue.

And there are studies that prove that people who learn multiple languages have better success in life.

I actually feel sorry for people from Hindi belt as they probably lose the opportunity to learn another language like we do.

Don't Pakistanis have Urdu as link Language?

The only correct part you said is you fail to understand. Is it possible for 250 million south indians to learn another language just to prove their naitonality? in the same land they have lived as kings, tilled the land, built temples - now learn a frigging language called hindi because his language is not even used to pass his laws?

Learning another language is a luxury for most you simpleton. Nobody must be made to compromise his pariticpation in life because he does not know a foreign language. A telugu or tamil or marathi person MUST be fully able to pariticipate in society understand the laws were written for him and his land, have an army whose commands he can understand. India prevents that

As I said before you basically lack the sense of self respect. I dont know how i can teach you that. Tragic case.

 

[Kamikaze Pilot]

They mean nothing to many sikhs as sikhs themselves love to tell them. Its kind of like if you own something, nobody can hurt you Just like the jewish owning jew jokes. The famous Khushwant Singh himself told many, but he did get in trouble with the sikh religious authorities.

Sikhs tell tell them a lot, especially among themselves, but dont be surprised if some sikhs get insulted when told by non-sikhs. I dont mind if told by a non-sikh, as long as he knows me.

What do Sikhs in general feel about being officially classified as Hindus in constitution?

- PRTP GWD

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

False flagger?
@AgNoStiC MuSliM @Slav Defence @Moonlight

If you go over his posts on Mumbai, I have to say that the amount of detail he provides as a 'Mumbaikar' would be extremely hard for a false flagger to come up with.

In any case, the forum position is that you address the arguments, not the identity of the person making the argument.

There are Indians like Rana Ayub and Arundhati Roy who are very strong critics of India, so you can't claim 'false flag' merely because you strongly disagree with the views presented.