Bal Thakeray and Altaf Hussain

[jha]

Unlike MQM walas i wonder if shive sainiks ever roamed with Aks in mumbai.
Army action on mQM was necessary to deweaponize karachi. and i think its about time Karachi needs another deweaponize operation.

Had there been No MQM, Muhajirs still would be discriminated against and systematically slaughtered. The Army operation only solidified the electoral base of MQM and made the Urdu speaking Karachites realise that if they were not united, they wont be able to survive.

 

[for truth]

Nope, the moderates are a disappearing minority. They are now all being marginalized into either "Dont care's" or extremism(religious, racial, political etc)
If someone was moderate, they would express those views.. if you are silent .. then you arent a moderate or extremist or whatever.. you are just a silent apathetic bystander who has no interest in this country's future.
The only interest is in the lowest of human need tier.. Biological needs.. and shelter.

Bhutto was right to use "Roti,Kapra and Makaan" since that is ALL that the majority of the people that inhabit this land care for.
The state and country, can be run by extremists and barbarians that shoot 11 year old girls as long as they get their "roti , Kapra and Makaan".
That is a realistic assessment.

your post is filled with pessimism, but the Indian journos who visit Pakistan, say that it can never be regarded as a failed state, and they seldom sound any alarm.

How do Pakistanis view their own nation?

 

[INDIC]

Had there been No MQM, Muhajirs still would be discriminated against and systematically slaughtered. The Army operation only solidified the electoral base of MQM and made the Urdu speaking Karachites realise that if they were not united, they wont be able to survive.

Now it has been proved that Jinnahpur map for which MQM was blamed for separatism was all fake. Even the army operation failed in Karachi to stop the violence

 

[ajtr]

Had there been No MQM, Muhajirs still would be discriminated against and systematically slaughtered. The Army operation only solidified the electoral base of MQM and made the Urdu speaking Karachites realise that if they were not united, they wont be able to survive.

Tell me onething that wherever migrants from UP/bihar goes they cause problem be it in pakistan,or in bangladesh, or in mumbai or in chennai or in bangalore even time to time south indian states cities blame up/bihar migrants for rising crime rates in their cities.Why nobody names the migrants from other states of north like punjab,haryana ,MP,rajasthan,etc.

 

[W.11]

Tell me onething that wherever migrants from UP/bihar goes they cause problem be it in pakistan,or in bangladesh, or in mumbai or in chennai or in bangalore even time to time south indian states cities blame up/bihar migrants for rising crime rates in their cities.Why nobody names the migrants from other states of north like punjab,haryana ,MP,rajasthan,etc.

you know @ajtr this childish and non sense comments will only degrade you more in this forum, you are a mature lady, soon to become a mother, but you have a brain of a gold fish

sorry to say but i just want to show you the mirror

 

[Emmie]

Had there been No MQM, Muhajirs still would be discriminated against and systematically slaughtered. The Army operation only solidified the electoral base of MQM and made the Urdu speaking Karachites realise that if they were not united, they wont be able to survive.

You seem to be an expert, would appreciate if you illuminate Urdu speaking people for us?

 

[jha]

Tell me onething that wherever migrants from UP/bihar goes they cause problem be it in pakistan,or in bangladesh, or in mumbai or in chennai or in bangalore even time to time south indian states cities blame up/bihar migrants for rising crime rates in their cities.Why nobody names the migrants from other states of north like punjab,haryana ,MP,rajasthan,etc.

Isn't that an easy thing to do..? Pointing fingers at others..?

How long can a "Bhaiya" indulge in "extra curricular " activities when he has a large family to feed. There are some stray petty criminals in migrants also but that does not justify the accusations hurled at them.

Another reason for this finger pointing is the number of UP/Bihari migrants. They come in numbers and live mostly together.
This gives them some political power and which can not be digested easily by the " sons of soil" ..

 

[jha]

You seem to be an expert, would appreciate if you illuminate Urdu speaking people for us?

No... I am not an expert and neither do I claim to be one. Although I am aware of the time when Urdu speaking people were denied different jobs. They were openly discriminated against. I certainly am aware of at least one massacre of Urdu speaking immigrants which was conducted at the behest of the people in power. I have seen the rise of APMSO and Muhajir Qaumi Movement and then Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

Since You are a Pakistani, I assume You would also be knowing all this. I am not a fan of Altaf Hussein or, MQM but I as an outsider certainly like what they stand for or, at least what they used to stand for.

 

[jha]

your post is filled with pessimism, but the Indian journos who visit Pakistan, say that it can never be regarded as a failed state, and they seldom sound any alarm.

How do Pakistanis view their own nation?

" Sach ka gala jitna Khamoshi ghotti hai utna Jhooth nahin ghotti "......

 

[ajtr]

you know @ajtr this childish and non sense comments will only degrade you more in this forum, you are a mature lady, soon to become a mother, but you have a brain of a gold fish

sorry to say but i just want to show you the mirror

Childish comment.....lol.
Thats the reality.PPL from UP/bihar first degraded their state to the level that they are called sick-state of iindia.And its not some hidden truth that out of all migrant on UP/biharis get blamed where ever they go. Why dont anyone go after rajasthanis or gujarati who controls most of business everywhere they go.how about punjabi or even bengalis.

Mirror has to be shown to them not to me.It for them to introspect.

If i ve goldfish brain then you dont have any brain at all.

It were the stupid one you who went after pukhtoons in one of the threads during july.you better show mirror to yourself.

Isn't that an easy thing to do..? Pointing fingers at others..?

How long can a "Bhaiya" indulge in "extra curricular " activities when he has a large family to feed. There are some stray petty criminals in migrants also but that does not justify the accusations hurled at them.

Another reason for this finger pointing is the number of UP/Bihari migrants. They come in numbers and live mostly together.
This gives them some political power and which can not be digested easily by the " sons of soil" ..

Mahashai even gujaratis and rajasthanis live together in their own colonies they control most of dealership business and gold business in many cities..rarely any one gets complain about them.

 

[jha]

Mahashai even gujaratis and rajasthanis live together in their own colonies they control most of dealership business and gold business in many cities..rarely any one gets complain about them.

Doesnt that answer the Question..? The control business and hence are too valuable for the local politicians. Bihari/UP immigrants dont have the money power and hence the easy target.

 

[surya kiran]

The biggest problem with these reactionary studies is that Pakistan is now no longer a nation.
Its a state with nations who have now gone to war with each other, something not too different from Yugoslavia and yet very different.

The only common thing is that this state will not be able to last until a nation is formed.
With racism rampant on the forum here, one wonders if there is even any hope.

From the bottom of my heart, I hope your country remains stable. The last thing we need right now, is a Balkanised area, where people are more interested in getting a step in to heaven, instead of making a heaven on earth.

 

[A.Rafay]

If you compare Bal And altaf, Altaf wins hands down no comparison!!!! Altaf is bigger terrorist than thakeray, Thackeray lived in mumbai and with his people but altaf is a international terrorist who has links with MI6 and MOSSAD and Uk Govt, And I bet Altafs terror network is bigger than bals.

 

[Emmie]

No... I am not an expert and neither do I claim to be one. Although I am aware of the time when Urdu speaking people were denied different jobs. They were openly discriminated against. I certainly am aware of at least one massacre of Urdu speaking immigrants which was conducted at the behest of the people in power. I have seen the rise of APMSO and Muhajir Qaumi Movement and then Muttahida Qaumi Movement.

Openly discriminated? Bone of contention remained quota system, and surprisingly it does exist as of today. Discrimination is an omnipresent ill that in spite of a strong execration is still being actioned. Punjabis in Sindh face problems, erroneously defined Urdu speaking people face problems in interior Sindh, Sindhis face problems in Karachi - discrimination is a phenomenon that keeps on rolling with different shapes. Apply this to your country, it's ubiquitous.

Just because you're aware of something doesn't necessarily mean what you are aware of exist same way as you conceive. Any concept founded on violence yields nothing, when you initiate fallaciously you lose the right to lament when consequences start showing up. So-called massacre is mentioned but what started it remained concealed, Jinahpur or something else, the fact is Karachi was having worst time. How about this massacre - in recent years number of people killed in Karachi under the flag of target killing is more than the number of people killed in that mentioned operation? Only difference this time is that Sindhis and Pathans have made it to the list, slayers are the victims and the victims are the slayers.

P.S: Not justifying any operation..

 

[Gandhi G in da house]

Jiye Muttahida