Baitullah Mehsud bites the dust, confirmed! :)

[Xeric]

i told you not to stick with this stance as it would only prove you to be lamer!

Anywaz...

Dude, I think you are missing the point, and being overly sensitive -

No sir i am not missing the point. What you meant is amply clear and visible, as you can see more one of us refuting your lame claims on this thread!

not unexpected given your association with the military.

i am a soldier by profession not by birth or nature.

Knowledgable local media reports have hinted at the presence of TTP sympathisers inside the military establishment.

Lolzzz...knowledgeable or masala-able!

Frankly, it would'nt be a huge surprise considering the same institutions have churned out die-hard jihadi supporters like Hamid Gul and Khalid Khawaja.

Black sheep are every where. They might be in the PAF, Army, Police anywhere. If the politicians and bureaucrats of this country have been involved with the terrorists the military is no exception, and no one have ever denied that, but then you are just making a mockery out of it.

BTW, 2, 3 may be 10, 20 supporters out of .6 million men, what an 'encouraging' ratio i must say! Hats off to your intellect.

I think it'd be reasonable to assume that the two mentioned above are not the only pro-taliban/al qaeda cheerleaders associated with the military establishment given the extensive involvement of the military in setting up the jihadi network over the last 25 years.

i think it'd be stupid to assume anything!

i warned you not to stick with this stupid stance but you never listened.

25 years!!! Sir with due respect the dudes who were there collaborating with the actual Talibans 25 years ago have either died or atleast have retired, now if a retired dude can influence our military thinking and policy then i think there is no need to have serving senior officers commanding and making the policy of our military!

BTW, many here have already suggested that no one stays in the ISI permanently, anybody having and iota of understanding as regards to the working of some organized institution (which you obviously dont have), would know that keeping ever lasting tie in such 'hostile' conditions is not possible!

And lastly it was not a love affair that we had with the Talibans that even after 25 years we still mourn them. Feeding them was in our intrest then and we supported them, kicking them is again in our benfir now, so we are kicking them. It's simple mathematics!

And lets not even mention the military personnel involved in attacks on Musharraf.

Yes they were, so what. We dont recruit angles in the military. They all come from the Pakistani breed, like you and me, so we have to bear them, but the thing is were they caught and tried or were they left and pampered?

More recently, as reported by the local media, the TNSM has been known to have several ex-military officers serving on its 'executive shura' that was actively involved in promoting Taliban rule in Swat. It is highly unlikely that such ex-military elements became pro-taliban only after they had retired. Logically, that implies that serving military elements have been pro-extremist in the past.

Refer to the reply above.

BTW, this shouldnt be bothering you as we have politicians who still support the talibans openly and are against the military operation. We do have many sympathizers here on PDF, we do have taliban supporters among our Nation and they would remain as such, but the question is are these elements being nipped or are they being allowed to take over the better half of ours?

The contention of some prominent pakistani media circles is simply that rogue elements(possibly raised on a steady diet of the 'glory of jihad') within the present military setup might still be cheerleading for the TTP thugs and Jihad Inc. - a contention worth investigating. And if there are a few rotten apples in the barrel, they need to be dealt with.

Allow me to enlighten you that most of these rotten eggs (not apples, i like apples!) have been caught and taken to task, but unfortunately people like you who drool over the military have failed to point out other rascals hiding in plain sight in our society in the garb or politicians and civilians who open handedly support terrorism and sympathize with them!

 

[Kamakazi 69]

I feel truly truly sad that he is dead.

Because he got off easy.
Preferably the best punishment would be to tour his sorry *** all around Pakistan, caging him up like the inbred animal he was and have the people of Swat, the families of our deceased jawans and the survivors and the families of the people killed in bomb blasts systematically beat the living crap out of him.

Thats about 1% of what he deserves.

 

[AstanoshKhan]

The US intelligence and Media control outclassed Pakistan and their claims again. They (media) made BM popular, the most wanted man in the region by both parties; Pakistan and US. There were speculations in media about BM that Pakistan wanted him alive and US were after to kill him. Now the news reports are, he has been killed by US drones but Pakistan was after his arrest not death, which makes worries for Pakistan and make the claims true made by US that Pakistan is not doing enough and on the other hand they (US) won sympathies of the world opinion for the justification of their drone attacks.

Ek Teer Say Do Shikaar...hmmm

and
that's why ISPR is denying the news of his death and R.Malik and FM.Qureshi are singing the songs of joy of BM's death.

 

[Interceptor]

Yes, lucky.

While the Fauj has been bashed (FIRST AND FOREMOST BY PAKISTANI POLITICIANS - Lets always be clear about that) - not all the criticism for it not taking action and more effective action, was undeserved.

Have you forgotten what the Fauj was doing for the past 8 years? Running bureaucracy in Pakistan employed at every state run institution by their dear President. Effectively they were the politicians of the time, what hit them in the head was (terrorism), they couldn’t even walk on the streets with their uniform on knowing they were targets.

I think the political government has held their moral up after the disgraceful era, they can now safely know they are soldiers with officers who are commanded by majors who are under the discipline of Generals. Before it were bureaucrats in uniforms running the show in Islamabad? If Kiyani really wanted this he would have kept them employed.

Have some guts and ask any Pakistani soldier serving what he wants; a political Fauj running the Government or a Fauj that defends our borders from enemies. You can’t have both since we know what happened if you do that. That was exactly where Pakistan was going off another cliff.

Had Mr. Gen. Musharraf been able to more effectively overcome elements within the security apparatus, he would still have been President and the lives of a great many Pakistani soliders and civilians would have been saved.

Musharraf lived in a fort throughout his tenure, gained power through MNA and JI, sold Pakistanis to the CIA, created the root of all evils that haunt Pakistan... the list is endless. You think he is our saviour. This nation was terrorised by him. A great many people today are deprived, dead and missing because of him.

His only mission was to stay in power, you expect him to give his life for this nation, never.

 

[Interceptor]

Afghan Taliban say unhurt by Mehsud death

07 Aug 2009

Source: Reuters
(For other stories on Afghanistan and Pakistan click [ID:nAFPAK])

KABUL, Aug 7 (Reuters) - The reported death of the chief of Pakistan's Taliban movement will not hurt the Taliban cause in neighbouring Afghanistan, an Afghan Taliban spokesman said on Friday.

Pakistani officials say they believe Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed by a missile strike two days ago, in what would be a major coup in Pakistan's fight against the militants.

In Afghanistan, Western countries have more than 100,000 troops fighting Taliban Islamist insurgents who ruled that country until being driven out in 2001. They believe the Afghan Taliban shelter and train across the border in Pakistan.

The Taliban movement has its roots in Pashtun tribes which straddle both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan frontier. But Mehsud's Pakistani organisation is seen as mainly preoccupied with affairs on its side of the border, known as the Durand line after the British official who drew it during the colonial era.

"The Taliban's jihad against foreign forces in Afghanistan will not be affected if a Pakistani Taliban leader is killed on the other side of the Durand line," Afghan Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said by telephone from an undisclosed location.

"We feel sympathy for our brothers who fight for the same cause, but resistance against the Afghan government and its foreign allies will continue."

Reuters AlertNet - Afghan Taliban say unhurt by Mehsud death

 

[Awesome]

Afghan Taliban say unhurt by Mehsud death

07 Aug 2009

Source: Reuters
(For other stories on Afghanistan and Pakistan click [ID:nAFPAK])

KABUL, Aug 7 (Reuters) - The reported death of the chief of Pakistan's Taliban movement will not hurt the Taliban cause in neighbouring Afghanistan, an Afghan Taliban spokesman said on Friday.

Pakistani officials say they believe Pakistani Taliban chief Baitullah Mehsud was killed by a missile strike two days ago, in what would be a major coup in Pakistan's fight against the militants.

In Afghanistan, Western countries have more than 100,000 troops fighting Taliban Islamist insurgents who ruled that country until being driven out in 2001. They believe the Afghan Taliban shelter and train across the border in Pakistan.

The Taliban movement has its roots in Pashtun tribes which straddle both sides of the Afghanistan-Pakistan frontier. But Mehsud's Pakistani organisation is seen as mainly preoccupied with affairs on its side of the border, known as the Durand line after the British official who drew it during the colonial era.

"The Taliban's jihad against foreign forces in Afghanistan will not be affected if a Pakistani Taliban leader is killed on the other side of the Durand line," Afghan Taliban spokesman Zabiullah Mujahid said by telephone from an undisclosed location.

"We feel sympathy for our brothers who fight for the same cause, but resistance against the Afghan government and its foreign allies will continue."

Reuters AlertNet - Afghan Taliban say unhurt by Mehsud death

Well duh, this guy was Pakistan specific.

 

[A1Kaid]

Well duh, this guy was Pakistan specific.

Haha good one, of course the Afghan Taliban led by Mullah Omar is unhurt by the death of Baitullah Mehsud. There was no real need for that article...

 

[S-2]

"One thing should be very clear and lucid to Predator owners that it is their mess that we are now cleaning in our country today."

I disagree and believe your army wasn't morally and physically prepared in late 2001-early 2002 to defend your western borders from an invasion by the ousted taliban gov't and its army.

"They kick (though the kick equals a slap in strength) the bad guys there in Afghanistan and they run with their swollen azzez towards us (though only a very few of them)"

So you couldn't manage to keep "...only a very few..." from invading your country afterall in late 2001?

"...and thereon they 'pollute' our youth by false motivations."

Again, "...only a very few..." corrupted your youth?

Are you sure that the groundwork for such influence wasn't established by your national celebration of this taliban government-formerly recognized by only three nations, including Pakistan?

Your national fawning over these curs made obvious to every kid in the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan what the quick path to the top was- become a taliban jihadist.

Not our fault...

...again.

"Moreover, this also gives an excuse to taliban hunters to spread their legs more than they own as they also claim that 'all' those who fled their assaults go to the 'safe heavens' inside Pakistan while they forget that the entire length of Afghanistan is available to the ones who flee the coalition attacks."

I'm certainly not one who has claimed all taliban left Afghanistan. Not so. We fight them daily in Afghanistan so, clearly, they are there. Certainly plenty, though-particularly those in planning, coordination, and leadership cells and many of their key commanders did leave. Further, without question many of those in Afghanistan will travel to Pakistan for medical support, often from Helmand to Karachi if need be. We know these things are partial to the definition of "sanctuary".

Some reside in sanctuary permanently. Others temporarily as is the wont of battlefield combatants for rest, relaxation, re-arming, recruitment, and re-constitution. You know that, Xeric. You're a military man. That's why it's SANCTUARY.

"At least we our not occupying others territory while we liberate!"

How do you liberate without occupying others territory?

Anyway, remember this-forty nations are there. They know what's going on too. Occupying? Get real. We're there for some damned good reasons. We don't have an obsession with strategic depth...

...and that's a good thing because those possessing such have made the lives of these people in Afghanistan an utter hell. And still do by harboring their enemies. There are enough polls available to show that, however increasingly less popular ISAF/America might be (and for some very good reasons), the taliban have nearly ZERO traction in Afghanistan (about 9% who "strongly" or "somewhat" support the taliban according to question #18 of the latest ABC/BBC/ARD poll in February 2009).

Kiddies here can toss around terms like "occupiers". Pros should know better. Your comment condemns too many other nations guilty of the same- none of whom you'd be correct to characterize as such.

Do you differentiate between a "good" and "bad" taliban? It seems clear that you regret the afghan taliban's demise and celebrate their efforts to re-assert uni-lateral domination of Afghanistan on Pakistan's behalf.

If so, I hope you understand that in riding the tiger, you'll be the first meal as there is NO DIFFERENCE. I'd think that the Islamic Emirate of Waziristan should be enough proof already.

I'll close with this comment relative to that thought- if forty nations think that some nation needs occupation, there's a great chance that it's likely true. Afghanistan could use all the help it can get. Too bad that includes too little of the good and too much of the bad from Pakistan of all countries.

Anyway, thanks.

 

[Janbaz]

Good riddance, killer Baitullah

PESHAWAR: Pakistan’s most dreaded Taliban leader Baitullah Mehsud was killed in a US Predator strike, a senior security official confirmed.

‘This is one hundred per cent. We have no doubt about his death,’ the official said, requesting he not be named. ‘He is dead and buried.’


The US is believed to have shared with the Pakistani authorities a video feed of the drone strike which, according to credible sources, has left no room for doubt that the most feared man in Pakistan was indeed dead.



One of the missiles, according to the sources, hit the roof of the upper-storey of the house, killing Baitullah and his younger wife for less than a year.



‘He was clearly visible with his wife,’ a senior security official, who saw the video footage, said. ‘And the missile hit the target as it was. His torso remained, while half of the body was blown up.’



The strike also hit the vehicle that had brought Baitullah to the house of his father-in-law Malik Ikramuddin who had been shuttling between his son-in-law and the government to negotiate a new peace deal.



The Taliban immediately shut down the three telephone lines in Zanghara and threw a five-kilometre security cordon around the area to block the leakage of news about the death of their leader.



The news of Baitullah’s possible death was in the air since Wednesday’s drone attack that according to initial reports had killed his wife and father-in-law.



On Thursday night information that he too had been killed had started coming out of the Mehsud territory in bits and pieces, and throughout the day it remained the only topic of discussion within the country.



Initially, the government was quite reluctant to openly confirm the news. In his uncharacteristically cautious remarks Interior Minister Rehman Malik said he had information but no evidence to suggest that the TTP leader had in fact been killed.



A few hours later, the first confirmation of sorts came from the foreign minister. ‘Yes my intelligence sources have confirmed that he has been killed,’ Shah Mehmood Qureshi told reporters in Islamabad. But he too qualified it by saying that it needed to be authenticated through other means.



A report suggested that Baitullah might have been buried in Nargosha area of Shabikhel — a place his father had abandoned after developing a blood feud before moving to Bannu to serve as a prayer leader in a mosque in Landi Dhok.



It is understood that the strike to take out Baitullah was the outcome of a joint Pakistan-US intelligence operation that may, according to some officials, indicate a new level of trust between the often mutually suspicious intelligence agencies of the two countries.

The Taliban have withheld an announcement about the death of their leader, pending nomination of his successor, amid intelligence reports that a Mehsud militant shura met for the third day running at a secret location in Ludda in the volatile South Waziristan to nominate a new leader.



The meeting short-listed three candidates but stopped short of naming one, suggesting a power struggle among main contenders, a senior government official said.



Waliur Rehman, a deputy to Baitullah, is said to be leading the list with majority of shura members siding with him.



The forty-something Wali is Baitullah’s cousin and an Alizai Mehsud by tribe and hails from the village of Tangi in Serwekai.



The next on the list is the young, brash and aggressive Hakeemullah Mehsud, until very recently Baitullah’s commander for Kurram, Orakzai and Khyber tribal regions before he was recalled to South Waziristan to face off a possible military operation.



Hakeemullah, who once worked as Baitullah’s driver, was considered to be very close to the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan leader and was widely considered to be his likely successor.



‘Baitullah had groomed him well for the task,’ a senior military official said. ‘He could be a natural choice, but his shooting-from-the-hip attitude may actually down his chances.’



The third in the line of serious contenders is little known 50-year-old Azmatullah Mehsud, a Taliban commander in Barwand.



‘The failure by the shura to quickly come up with a Baitullah successor indicates a power struggle within the key players,’ a senior government official said.



‘It’s not just the key players within the Mehsud clans wanting the mantle of leadership, the Ahmadzai Wazir militants in Wana and the Utmankhels’ leader in Miramshah would like to take on the mantle. They are lobbying and jockeying for power,’ the official said.



‘And I think the Haqqani-Al Qaeda network will play a pivotal role in the whole process,’ the official said, referring to Siraj Haqqani, son of veteran Taliban leader Jalaluddin Haqqani.



The young Haqqani, often referred to as Khalifa Siraj, is Mullah Omar’s pointman for North and South Waziristan. Baitullah had taken oath of allegiance to Khalifa Siraj, who had helped the 37-year-old gain leadership of the Taliban in South Waziristan at the expense of the one-legged former Guantanamo detainee, Abdullah Mehsud.



But government and security officials watching the scene unfolding in South Waziristan say Baitullah’s death is a major setback for the Tehrik-i-Taliban Pakistan.



‘This is a big setback for them. Baitullah was a phenomenon. It will take them a considerable time to regain their composure,’ the security official said.



‘The man has taken a lot of secrets with himself and for any successor will need a lot of time to rebuild and re-establish various linkages and connect the dots,’ the official said.



‘He was the Osama bin Laden of Pakistan,’ remarked a senior analyst. ‘Consider the damage his death would cause to his movement.’



The TTP has suffered major setbacks in Bajaur, Mohmand and Swat and the death of Baitullah will further dent its strength, the official said. ‘It may now longer be the TTP that we knew,’ he remarked.



Still some security officials warned it was too early to write off the TTP. ‘You will have to wait to see who succeeds Baitullah before making any presumptions. A lot will depend on the character of the man who steps into Baitullah’s shoes. There will be call for blood and revenge from the rank and file of the Taliban and then he will also have to establish his credentials and leadership. So there may be some fireworks in the offing,’ one official remarked.

DAWN.COM | Pakistan | Good riddance, killer Baitullah

 

[Janbaz]

This satanic fellow is a part of folklore now

So long!

 

[TruthSeeker]

You're not allowed to. NEVER comment on ANY member of this forum. You're allowed to talk on topic ONLY.
Also your assessment of people is quite lame.

Well, Asim Aquill, I cannot understand what you mean by your words here. Are you projecting your own behavior onto me? Please explain why your own posts here on this thread, about me, are consistent with your above quoted post. Thanks.

 

[afriend]

Hopefully now the Pakistani Taliban woul die down, and we can lay rest to many many conspiracy theories that would have emanated if he was alive. This is the right time, hit to kill them, they are unorganized now..!!!!

 

[LiberalPakistani]

Hopefully now the Pakistani Taliban woul die down, and we can lay rest to many many conspiracy theories that would have emanated if he was alive. This is the right time, hit to kill them, they are unorganized now..!!!!

no India and US are looking for a new leader for TTP to carry out thier agenda to destablize Pakistan at any cost this game will never end until one of us falls

 

[TruthSeeker]

Asim Aquill, here is what XYON said:

Buddy your freakin' CIA cannot even piss right in that area if it is not for our Intel. So while your spooks may have the tech it is only by our humint on the ground that such a credible strike could take place. Minus our help, your jet jocks in Sunnyville would have knocked out another bunch of innocents and would have labled them as collateral damage.

To me, that was flaming, unnecesary and provocative. I replied with:

So, BFD? Thanks for doing what you should have done eight years ago. You are agreeing that Pakistan DID need to DO MORE. When the ISI finally got off their a$$e$, some of the bad guys could be brought to room temperature, courtesy of the USA. You're welcome. Obviously, the PA didn't have the wherewithal to get him, even when the ISI knew where he was.

My response was no more provocative than XYON's. Get real. Pakistanis here at the PDF should be able to take what they dish out......If you want respectful discourse, then be respectful yourselves.

 

[Awesome]

Well, Asim Aquill, I cannot understand what you mean by your words here. Are you projecting your own behavior onto me? Please explain why your own posts here on this thread, about me, are consistent with your above quoted post. Thanks.

Because you're being reprimanded, that should've been clear.