Bacha khan's grand daughter is an Indian

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Kashmiri is spoken only in the valley not in AJK or GB. A person from Jammu can speak better Kashmiri than someone from GB.

Because people of Gilgit-Baltistan are not Kashmiris ethnically or historically. They are Shinas,Baltis,Wakhis,Darics,brushos.

A Sindhi in Indian Gujarat is much close to people of Sindh, culturally, than a person from Rawalpindi.

See its not that simple.


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Im sorry but your logic is retarded. You are comparing a hindu refugee from sindh to Sindh a province of Pak and comparing him to a potohari?
Both are entirely Pakistani ethnic groups with some hindu refugees living in india that migrated in 1947.

 

[Hiptullha]

This Indian is claiming Azad Kashmiris are Punjabi speakers. Sorry to waste your time.

People in Azad Kashmir and GB are not the same ethnicity as those in IoK. They have different languages like Pahari which is pretty similar to Punjabi. But none of this means anything because the Gangetic slumdwellers who make up the bulk of India don't speak Pahari, Kashmiri, Khowar or any other language spoken in Kashmir.

 

[xeuss]

Every Indian Hindu on this forum present themselves as Robinhood, you would think they are robbing BJP and helping Indian Muslims survive.

Yet vast majority of Indian Hindus are firmly behind BJP, what does that tell us?

False promises mean nothing. Anyone can sell snake oil.

Your point is well taken. One of the biggest problem I have is these well meaning Hindus never fight the bigotry within their own community.

Take Kanhaiya Kumar for example. His efforts are commendable, but his audience is mainly Muslim and he is just preaching to the choir. His efforts are meaningless when they cannot affect a change within his own community.

If they really want to help us, then fight the hate within their own community.

 

[MayaBazar]

So, many leaders flirted with various organizations. Djamaluddin Al Afghani, Muhammad Abduh, and Atatürk were Masons too, once upon a time.

It means nothing unless you climb higher into their order.

Why do you assume that they did not climb higher? This is what it says on the page.

On this page you will find a list of eminent Indian Freemasons

http://www.lodge-prudentia.org/eminent_freemasons.html

Yes, we are all related and our language, cultures, and social mores are inter-related. This is why our people supported Pakistan in overwhelming majorities, even in Kashmir which you occupied illegally.

You cannot say the same for Indians.

Your Languages and Cultures are different. Only common denominator is religion, if we ignore the sects.

Take Rohingya, why do you not want them?

India has no responsibility to them? They are related to you by blood and ethnicity.

Frontier Gandhi and his Pushtun followers supported and wanted united India. Hence India has a responsibility towards them.

 

[xeuss]

Vast majority of Hindus did not vote for BJP. It got 38% of the votes in total during the last elections.

Considering Hindus are make up 80% of the total population, they got less than 50% of Hindu votes.

Misleading stat. Not a reliable indicator for the point you are trying to convey.

Does not take into account where elections were fought by coalition partners. Furthermore, sometimes local factors matter, especially in constituencies where Muslim presence was negligent.

 

[Hiptullha]

Frontier Gandhi and his Pushtun followers supported and wanted united India. Hence India has a responsibility towards them.

Pashtuns voted for Pakistan in a landslide in the 1947 referendum. I guess India has a responsibility for the Bacha Khanis who boycotted the referendum, but we all know how even the patriotic Muslims of those times are perceived today in India.

https://thewire.in/communalism/maulana-abul-kalam-azad-statue-razed-bengal

 

[Kompromat]

Afrasiab Khattak's children studied in India.

 

[Hiptullha]

Only common denominator is religion

That common denominator is strong enough for IoK to have been in an active state of revolt for the last few decades. If they were happy enough with the "shared culture" they have with Ganga valley Hindus, they wouldn't be demanding union with Pakistan.

 

[MayaBazar]

Misleading stat. Not a reliable indicator for the point you are trying to convey.

Does not take into account where elections were fought by coalition partners. Furthermore, sometimes local factors matter, especially in constituencies where Muslim presence was negligent.

It is not misleading if you consider the popular vote. For the sake of simplicity, I have assumed that all non-Hindus have voted against BJP. In spite of that BJP only got 38% of Hindu votes of 80% total Hindu votes.

The fact is 62% (42% Hindus and 20% Non Hindus) have voted against BJP while only 38% voted in its favor.

 

[xeuss]

It is not misleading if you consider the popular vote. For the sake of simplicity, I have assumed that all non-Hindus have voted against BJP. In spite of that BJP only got 38% of Hindu votes of 80% total Hindu votes.

The fact is 62% (42% Hindus and 20% Non Hindus) have voted against BJP while only 38% voted in its favor.

The assumption you made is that those who voted against BJP disagreed with their policies.

That is what I am trying to dispute. Those who may have voted for other parties, may have done so for other reasons, not necessarily because they disagreed with what BJP is doing against the Muslims.

I know rabid anti-Muslim Hindus who voted for AAP in the recent Delhi elections.

 

[MayaBazar]

That common denominator is strong enough for IoK to have been in an active state of revolt for the last few decades. If they were happy enough with the "shared culture" they have with Ganga valley Hindus, they wouldn't be demanding union with Pakistan.

Kashmir was peaceful until 1989. It is the fall of Soviets in the Afghanistan that led to mercenaries of Afghan war shifting their focus to Kashmir.

There are many Kashmiris who are fighting as part J&K police and Indian Military. This is a response for you from Omar Abdullah

 

[xeuss]

Kashmir was peaceful until 1989. It is the fall of Soviets in the Afghanistan that led to mercenaries of Afghan war shifting their focus to Kashmir.

There are many Kashmiris who are fighting as part J&K police and Indian Military. This is a response for you from Omar Abdullah

Your dates and events are a little bit off. It was when Rajiv Gandhi rigged the 1987 elections to defeat the MUF. Most of those MUF leaders ended up leading the freedom struggle for those Kashmiris. Their belief was that India would never allow them to get a fair voice.

 

[ziaulislam]

I get that Bacha Khan is important to our Pushtoon population but I never understood this guy.

He fought against Pakistan.
He wanted us to join with India and suffer the same fate as Indian Muslims.

I don't get why we glorify him.
Am I missing something?

1. He is not important to most of pushtoon population
2. He never intended to join india..this is wrong should be corrected ..he supported congress as he thought congress and his interests aligned which were he wanted to either make a separate state or join afghanistan for greater pushtoon nation.
3. He later was jailed for most of his remaining life for NO REASON.

Later signed on 1971 accord for concessions that govt never followed through and was jailed again

4. No body cares about his kin and as noone cares about jinnah kin either.

 

[Hiptullha]

Kashmir was peaceful until 1989

No? Stop lying, H*****. India had been throwing separatists in jails for decades prior to the rigged election in 1987. Omar Abdullah's own father spent years in jail and now he's learning what his father learned. How long did they keep him in detention for after Article 370 was revoked?

 

[MayaBazar]

The assumption you made is that those who voted against BJP disagreed with their policies.

That is what I am trying to dispute. Those who may have voted for other parties, may have done so for other reasons, not necessarily because they disagreed with what BJP is doing against the Muslims.

I know rabid anti-Muslim Hindus who voted for AAP in the recent Delhi elections.

Well that may be true but there are many middle class Hindus who vote for BJP because they were fed up with corruption in other parties. You cannot assume that all people voting for BJP are voting because they are anti-Muslim either. Also, there are non-Hindus who vote for BJP whom I have fully discounted.

The hardcore anti-Muslim vote that BJP gets is ~600,000 people. This is less 0.01% of Indian population.

https://www.thehindu.com/news/natio...0-years-says-its-official/article29101108.ece