Babur praised South-Asian caste system as an advantage

[xeuss]

You guys are happy living under subjugation as is evident. I am not. I am lamenting the fact that despite giving the world wonders like Taj Mahal and Red Fort, we had to go it away to pazheets because the Mughals couldn't even convert their own subjects.

You can always come back to India to claim back the wonders. Bring your burger buddies from Clifton with you.

 

[Cliftonite]

You can always come back to India to claim back the wonders. Bring your burger buddies from Clifton with you.

We will. When Modi has made a real kachoomar out of it. Then you will learn not to talk shit about the only people who are somewhat sympathetic to you. Like I said you guys are so stupid and short sighted. Burning bridges already.

 

[xeuss]

We will. When Modi has made a real kachoomar out of it. Then you will learn not to talk shit about the only people who are somewhat sympathetic to you. Like I said you guys are so stupid and short sighted. Burning bridges already.

We'll wait for you with open arms. Please bring me some karahi chicken from Colachi on the way here.

 

[Cliftonite]

We'll wait for you with open arms. Please bring me some karahi chicken from Colachi on the way here.

*Kolachi.

Lol hope you're intact in one piece by then. Typical Indian running his mouth as usual.

 

[xeuss]

*Kolachi.

Lol hope you're intact in one piece by then. Typical Indian running his mouth as usual.

Why the hate now? We're welcoming you with open arms.

 

[Nilgiri]

They could have invested in education of the masses

Lot of history is "could haves". The romans and sassanids could have had peace, and you wouldn't even have a certain religion spread in first place.

Education of the masses was generally a very foreign thing, even to the West. Why it happened is a very long thing to study and analyse, I am maybe just a quarter or third down the easy visible road of it by my estimation.

that would have drove people closer to their system and thus closer to the Islam inevitably

Nope. Greeks kept their education relatively sound and intact for their elite and proxies with Ottoman help (and non-interference for most part for sake of stability and cohesion). Just one example. There is no "gentle draw" pressure beyond certain point given the bulk of cultural inertia preceding it. Neutral education wont do it....even if somehow made pervasive institutionally past the elites.

also that would have made India a Japan like nation outside of Europe

Nope. Far too many things differentiate Japan from India....far too many for mere "education" to overcome.

Japan was also actually largely an uneducated country of 95% peasantry just like any other too before Perry came knocking.

No British, no colonisation but they were too stupid to do this.

Its not really "stupidity". They were operating on "if it aint broke, dont fix" assumption of history. There is some exceptionalism indeed (though at great strife and cost) that took place in Europe (as much as I see various faults in their cultural/philosophical aegis too) to have their catholic renaissance and then protestant enlightenment (esp with regards to education and liberation of peasantry with recognition of inalienable individual rights as the default basis) that no other elder civilisation dawned upon and did at such intensity and scale (past some theoretic dabbling at best) when the political buffer existed to do so.

The effects are still witnessed today.

 

[Cliftonite]

Why the hate now? We're welcoming you with open arms.

We don't appreciate smart talkers. We let them be a little humbled down before coming to their rescue.

 

[xeuss]

We don't appreciate smart talkers. We let them be a little humbled down before coming to their rescue.

What happened? Let me guess, your burger buddies prefer to just hang out at Dolmen Mall instead of Ghazwa-e-Hind.

 

[Joe Shearer]

As a whole, it was not 700 year rule.



Aurangzeb probably saw himself as foreign

https://twitter.com/x/status/1089132731089473536

Calm down bro.

That was a beautiful clip summarising Aurangzeb's views on the nature of various ethnicities.

 

[Progressive1]

outsiders specially invaders see foreigners as wierd looking , japanese used to call europeans wierd looking , dont know about men since I am not a gay but indian women are one of most beautiful to me along with pakistani and afghan women.

 

[Nilgiri]

Haha....I just had to have a peek at what you were replying to @xeuss ... you earned some more kudos from me buddy

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

It peaks in Brahmins (70%+ in some regions), North Indians have on average 48% Aryan ancestry.

This is BS. Only NW states like Kashmir, Rajasthan, Punjab had an extra foreign DNA compared to other northern states. I don't remember the exact percentage but an average Tamilian had nearly the exact dna as an average UPite. Only these states differed with a few percentile points with southern states. Intermixing had happened long back

 

[Naofumi]

This is BS. Only NW states like Kashmir, Rajasthan, Punjab had an extra foreign DNA compared to other northern states. I don't remember the exact percentage but an average Tamilian had nearly the exact dna as an average UPite. Only these states differed with a few percentile points with southern states. Intermixing had happened long back

Edit : You were saying about general population? Nope, see the map below. We ain't same bro though there's nothing wrong in that.

1) What part of "in some regions", you don't understand?
2) Yup, That's the difference between Pancha Gaud and Pancha Dravida.

This is BS. Only NW states like Kashmir, Rajasthan, Punjab had an extra foreign DNA compared to other northern states. I don't remember the exact percentage but an average Tamilian had nearly the exact dna as an average UPite. Only these states differed with a few percentile points with southern states. Intermixing had happened long back

Haplogroup R1a

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R1a-Z93 (Indo-Iranian branch of R1a)
https://www.eupedia.com/europe/Haplogroup_R1a_Y-DNA.shtml

 

[Cliftonite]

What happened? Let me guess, your burger buddies prefer to just hang out at Dolmen Mall instead of Ghazwa-e-Hind.

Don't worry, we'll set up a refugee camp in Dolmen Mall for you when the Hindus burn your houses down.

Haha....I just had to have a peek at what you were replying to @xeuss ... you earned some more kudos from me buddy

@xeuss your masters approve of your behaviour. Maybe they'll spare you the beating.

 

[Naofumi]

That was a beautiful clip summarising Aurangzeb's views on the nature of various ethnicities.

We usually take pride in "Sir kata sakte hai lekin sir jhuka sakte nahi" and he was making fun of that, lol.

Education of the masses was generally a very foreign thing, even to the West.

Till which period? Quoting from Wikipedia -

The rate of illiteracy decreased more rapidly in more populated areas and areas where there was mixture of religious schools. The literacy rate in England in the 1640s was around 30 percent for males, rising to 60 percent in the mid-18th century. In France, the rate of literacy in 1686-90 was around 29 percent for men and 14 percent for women, it increased to 48 percent for men and 27 percent for women.

Comparing to India we had 12% in 1947.

Nope. Greeks kept their education relatively sound and intact for their elite and proxies with Ottoman help (and non-interference for most part for sake of stability and cohesion). Just one example. There is no "gentle draw" pressure beyond certain point given the bulk of cultural inertia preceding it. Neutral education wont do it....even if somehow made pervasive institutionally past the elites.

That's a highly debatable part but I see it this way - most of the Indians who had served under the Mughals end up being Muslims, that's why we see a lot of Ms Rajputs in and around Delhi to this day, education needed not to be neutral - it was not in Europe, they could have added Islamic themes under it and the resistance of downtrodden is usually minimal - like we see in the missionary activities in tribals.

Japan was also actually largely an uneducated country of 95% peasantry just like any other too before Perry came knocking.

Till that point Japan was closed. Heck, they even traced and burnt down the Christians till that point but when the Japan was opened forcefully, they immediately realised the need of change and abolished danka system, patronised Shintoism, persecuted Buddhist dogmas - as a result Buddhism was reformed and later devolved into Zen Buddhism. Not only this, they continuously sent their men to Europe to learn their ways, India was much richer than this, what stopped us (collectively) to do this?

Its not really "stupidity". They were operating on "if it aint broke, dont fix" assumption of history.

India was a trade point that too very active one, François Bernier was a European physician to Mughals not the other way round, Mughals imported arms from England, not the other way round.

Despite these innovations, most soldiers used bows and arrows, the quality of sword manufacture was so poor that they preferred to use ones imported from England, and the operation of the cannons was entrusted not to Mughals but to European gunners. Other weapons used during the period included rockets, cauldrons of boiling oil, muskets and manjaniqs (stone-throwing catapults).

A smart man would have deduced the need of change but maybe I am asking for too much.