Babur Cruise Missile - Database

[Safriz]

I assure you, there wasn't any specific target except the target area. The video was already not professionally captured, and the quality worsened by the distributor. What you see is a pixelated bush and dirt mound, nothing else.
Furthermore, Babur is not an Anti-Tank missile, and the test does not requires placement of a target at the impact point. It has a primary nuclear role, and the present system is closest to what is required for that. Besides, it would be an airburst in that case.

It is not smoke, just the sand being thrown off when the missile made the impact. The target-hitting section of the video is in slow-motion.

so basicallly...it just falls into a ditch near toba tek singh...or pid dadan khan...

 

[The Deterrent]

so basicallly...it just falls into a ditch near toba tek singh...or pid dadan khan...

Yeah somewhere in Baluchistan.
If a target was really needed, a simple brick wall or structure would be enough (which was done in case of Tomahawk). Babur GLCM has yet to evolve, do not over-estimate its abilities.

 

[MastanKhan]

Pause the video at 0:22

You notice the target and the missile about to hit it..
The target is small,may be a disused tank or APC...although a Cruise missile is normally use to hit a Building sized target...Being able to hit a small target shows accuracy of the platform......
The other thing we notice is the final angle of approach of the missile...
It does not rise and dive as many other Cruise missiles so in final stage...But we do notice that the angle is very shallow,so it does remain very close to ground and relies on terrain hugging for detection prevention...

Hi,

This particular variety followed its designated path---like a building or a designated bunker---its accuracy is within feet---around 50---100 feet that was around 3 years ago---. There may be other versions that can drop bomblets or other munitions----. But this demo was focused on takeoff, levelled flight and hitting the target which was as you pointed a dirt mound----.

Just for tests---the designer can program 50---or a 100 yards hit away from the target just to confuse those that need to be---. So---if a hit is programmed 50 yards away from a visible target---then it mean the missile hit is a bulls eye---the visual target was not the real target---.

You must never be confused with what you see in case of these missiles.

 

[The Deterrent]

Just for tests---the designer can program 50---or a 100 yards hit away from the target just to confuse those that need to be---. So---if a hit is programmed 50 yards away from a visible target---then it mean the missile hit is a bulls eye---the visual target was not the real target---.

Are you suggesting that the missile was DELIBERATELY "mis-guided" during a test flight? That is a pretty lame explanation. The issue isn't really hard to understand.

See, flag marking and making white circles around the intended target area/impact point for Strategic Missiles Testing is an old thing now. This is the GPS age. The only thing needed is to "mark" the target with GPS coordinates on computer-based map. After the flight, the error can be easily calculated by the respective team.
No foreign eye in the sky can ever know the missile's accuracy that way, because the target coordinates are only known to the concerned organization. The only other object in vicinity is an OP (observation post), which can't be helpful in this regard either.

 

[MastanKhan]

Are you suggesting that the missile was DELIBERATELY "mis-guided" during a test flight? That is a pretty lame explanation. The issue isn't really hard to understand.

See, flag marking and making white circles around the intended target area/impact point for Strategic Missiles Testing is an old thing now. This is the GPS age. The only thing needed is to "mark" the target with GPS coordinates on computer-based map. After the flight, the error can be easily calculated by the respective team.
No foreign eye in the sky can ever know the missile's accuracy that way, because the target coordinates are only known to the concerned organization. The only other object in vicinity is an OP (observation post), which can't be helpful in this regard either.

Hi,

I am only suggesting to them--who can understand what i wrote---if you cannot comprehend it---sorry---class is over.

 

[Rafi]

Babur is extremely accurate - and will hit within just a few feet, after flying it's full range.

 

[Bratva]

Babur is extremely accurate - and will hit within just a few feet, after flying it's full range.

you are over estimating the capability. Without satellite guidance is it possible of having a accuracy of few feets?

 

[Safriz]

you are over estimating the capability. Without satellite guidance is it possible of having a accuracy of few feets?

It has satellite guidance....

 

[Bratva]

It has satellite guidance....

Chinese satellite guidance not yet operationally tested and Beidou is also not deployed fully yet

 

[Safriz]

Chinese satellites not yet operationally tested.

It has been integrated already into raad and babur...
The only problem is that Beidou as it is called itself is in development phase and when the constellation is completed we will see babur flying into windows same as tomahawk..

Right now tests are for assessing how babur responds to inputs from satellites and from Beidou ground based command module..tests are n not aimed at assessing bulls eye accuracy....

 

[The Deterrent]

you are over estimating the capability. Without satellite guidance is it possible of having a accuracy of few feets?

Pakistan has been using Commercial GPS for a while, and that gives a moderate accuracy of 15-25m. Not much can be said about Beidou right now.
However, in future if Pakistan's capabilities evolve, a terminal guidance system based on IR imaging cameras can be put up.

 

[Bratva]

Pakistan has been using Commercial GPS for a while, and that gives a moderate accuracy of 15-25m. Not much can be said about Beidou right now.
However, in future if Pakistan's capabilities evolve, a terminal guidance system based on IR imaging cameras can be put up.

1. TERCOM and DSMAC don't give an accuracy between 10-20 M? if not than what's the use of Cruise missile. I thought satellite guidance is only used when you need <10 Mm accuracy

2. Doesn't Ra'ad use IR guidance along with Tercom, Dsmac and Terminal guidance?

 

[The Deterrent]

1. TERCOM and DSMAC don't give an accuracy between 10-20 M? if not than what's the use of Cruise missile. I thought satellite guidance is only used when you need <10 Mm accuracy

2. Doesn't Ra'ad use IR guidance along with Tercom, Dsmac and Terminal guidance?

1. TERCOM is for guidance during the flight. DSMAC provides the terminal guidance, by comparing live video frames of target area with images already stored. DSMAC basically guides the missile to an "area", which could be 1000+ square meters (just an assumption). So that much accuracy is pretty good for a nuclear role.
For Pakistan, the use of a cruise missile is the nuclear use. Perhaps in future when Pakistan becomes more technologically advanced, we would see them in a conventional, tactical role.
Correct, but only military grade GPS provides ~5m accuracy.

2. No, Ra'ad ALCM is just a smaller version of Babur GLCM. There is no IR guidance for the terminal phase.

 

[Arsalan]

Babur in its current form is already good enough for tactical attack role. not over estimating just presenting what is true!
the missile have proved time and over again a 3m hitting accuracy after its complete flight path!
God forbade, is Pakistan see a war, Babur will be among the primary long range tactical attack platforms. The nuclear role is left for Ballistic missiles with highly accurate tactical Nukes relaying on Nasr and Abdali and for longer ranges we have Shaheen and Ghauri!

 

[The Deterrent]

Babur in its current form is already good enough for tactical attack role. not over estimating just presenting what is true!
the missile have proved time and over again a 3m hitting accuracy after its complete flight path!
God forbade, is Pakistan see a war, Babur will be among the primary long range tactical attack platforms. The nuclear role is left for Ballistic missiles with highly accurate tactical Nukes relaying on Nasr and Abdali and for longer ranges we have Shaheen and Ghauri!

Agreed sir, but the 3 meter accuracy was stated by the same newspapers who stated the range of Shaheen-1A as 3000km, Nasr's range as 180km and what not. I'll believe when I get it confirmed myself or somebody here confirms it or ISPR releases the details somehow.
No, both Babur GLCM and Ra'ad ALCM have already been configured to launch a nuclear attack. Both will complement Ballistic missiles in future.