Babri Masjid case: Set 'Ram Lalla' free, says oldest litigant Hashim Ansari

[Viny]

sir , the babri masjid incident was to take back a holy place wch is rightfully ours..if it meant to be razng dwn of the mosque let it be ,cause even the masjid was built on the site only after razing dwn the temple...

So whats difference between you and the person who previously razed down a temple.
You both will be seen same in way when history will be written.

and no one here is accusing the present generation (whos ancestors were merely converts) of what babr's military general did..unlike hindus the site of masjid isn't a holy place of muslims.. they werent even using the site for their prayers..

Every place of worship is Holy.
Get over it.
Is a temple next to your home less holy then temple at ayodhya.
Does god in temple next to your home is different from god at temple in ayodhya.

and when the que of religious sentiments comes into place don't you think that muslims should be ashamed to have a mosque built upon a hindu holy site after razing the temple down ?? more over , what abt the religious sentiments of hindus.. ??

You mean hindus will feel proud that razed down a mosque to establish there religious beliefs.
Isnt that what Baber did.

when did the last tym u saw hindus destroying a religious site of others jst beacuse it is a religious sight of other communities to build there own temples ?? and abt taking over our temples is already happening in our neighbouring countries, though not on the pretext of sayng that we build them on there sites of religious sites.. rather jst beacuse they happen to be a kaffir ( a hindu ) place of worship..
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So why do you want to do that now when you never did it in past.
Do you consider yourself in a war with muslims that you want to raze down mosque?
Or now you trying to establish that India is Hindus country now and we will try to gain back.

 

[Saheli]

You are thinking to much about God and religion.
God is GOD, it doenst matter if he is Jesus or Allah or Trimurti.
Its the practices that so called God Men has built around him makes the differences.

Mosque doesnt belong to Mogul or some XYZ person. Its place of worship where common man goes to perform his religious activities.

As if its must for Hindus and they will only attain niravana if they get temple at XYZ place. If rising by stepping on someone else head is the definition of rise, then for sure the fall will be much bad. Build your on podium to rise above.

This observance of that it belonged to us in past then it should be given to us now is wrong approach.
Tomorrow you will say India was from Afgan to SE Asia, so give us back all those land. Or Moon is our God and we dont want you to explore Moon or some XYZ planet ... Isnt it making of radicalized society or getting Hindu version of Talibanization ?

You are not thinking at all. You lack rationality. God is not GOD if we do not mean the same thing. Tomorrow if I say my GOD wants to kill you and your family and you should respect my GOD and get killed, will you be willing to submit to my GOD?

If it does not matter Jesus or Allah or Trimurthi, then today only convert to Islam and pray as a Muslim since your sympathy does not lie with Hindus.

GOD made human beings so that they can practice differences and vividtah.

Why does the Muslim need the mosque? As you say prayer can be done anywhere. So ask the Muslim to pray elsewhere and not in this mosque.

We never say Hindus will gain Nirvana by getting the temple. We only say a semblance of justice would be served.

If you want to claim to be secular by killing all hopes of Justice for Hindus and raising your secularism on their heads, then your fall is also a certainty.

This observance that this belong to us is what keeps us as a nation. Otherwise Pakistan has been claiming entire North India as Pakistani territory. Why not give all of North India to Pakistan in the name of secularism and brotherhood. Why should we be so adamant about a piece of land. Why are we spending so much on our armed forces? Does that not make us like Indian Talibans?

 

[Viny]

You are not thinking at all. You lack rationality. God is not GOD if we do not mean the same thing. Tomorrow if I say my GOD wants to kill you and your family and you should respect my GOD and get killed, will you be willing to submit to my GOD?

If it does not matter Jesus or Allah or Trimurthi, then today only convert to Islam and pray as a Muslim since your sympathy does not lie with Hindus.

Does a Muslim GOD says kill Hindus or Does Christian GOD Says that?
If you believe in so called Gods Men interpenetration of GOD and rituals and beliefs associated with it, then you dont know what and who is GOD, you are just slave of what Gods Men wishes...

GOD made human beings so that they can practice differences and vividtah.

WTF ...I thought for GOD all human beings are same.

Why does the Muslim need the mosque? As you say prayer can be done anywhere. So ask the Muslim to pray elsewhere and not in this mosque.

Dont muslim pray outside the Mosque like you do pooja at your home or some other place?
Like you got temple as symbol they got Mosque as symbol ..
GOD never said make mosque/temple/church for me ....so called Gods Men for there benefits made this as there business/power/socio/cultural centers.

We never say Hindus will gain Nirvana by getting the temple. We only say a semblance of justice would be served.


If you want to claim to be secular by killing all hopes of Justice for Hindus and raising your secularism on their heads, then your fall is also a certainty.


This observance that this belong to us is what keeps us as a nation. Otherwise Pakistan has been claiming entire North India as Pakistani territory. Why not give all of North India to Pakistan in the name of secularism and brotherhood. Why should we be so adamant about a piece of land. Why are we spending so much on our armed forces? Does that not make us like Indian Talibans?

If you become human in essence you become secular by default.
Taliban is built upon a religious background.
Indian armed forces are not backed by religion.
They are there to protect all Indians and not a specific religious wing.

 

[itachiii]

So whats difference between you and the person who previously razed down a temple.
You both will be seen same in way when history will be written.

diff is that , i am not interested in others religious sites, all i am concerned is abt taking back wat is rigjhtfully mine and safeguarding those wch belong to me , shall we leave the part of wat history thnks of me and my likes to the tym itself... it is the best judge to decide abt it...

Every place of worship is Holy.
Get over it.
Is a temple next to your home less holy then temple at ayodhya.
Does god in temple next to your home is different from god at temple in ayodhya.

ayodhya is holy beacause it is widely believed to be the birth place of lord ram , there is no way it could be compared with other temples wch dnt hav any religious or historical significance...

You mean hindus will feel proud that razed down a mosque to establish there religious beliefs.
Isnt that what Baber did.

babrs razing dwn of temple was due to hate towards hindus and and there religion.. and my pride lies solely on love towards my religion and watching a ram temple built in ayodhya , which is the sites true identity..

So why do you want to do that now when you never did it in past.
Do you consider yourself in a war with muslims that you want to raze down mosque?
Or now you trying to establish that India is Hindus country now and we will try to gain back.

you are completely wrong, hindus always built back there temples after they being razed down , somnath and kashi temples .... and then y do u see any wrng in takng back a holy sight that belongs to hindus....u dnt have to be in a war with any religion to standup against the injustices that has happend to u , and to safeguard u r rghts.. are we dwn to a stage where , hindus asking for there rghts and tryng to build a temple at one of their holiest places is considered as establishing a hindu country ???

 

[Saheli]

Does a Muslim GOD says kill Hindus or Does Christian GOD Says that?
If you believe in so called Gods Men interpenetration of GOD and rituals and beliefs associated with it, then you dont know what and who is GOD, you are just slave of what Gods Men wishes...

Yes, kaffirs are to be subjugated or exterminated according to some Muslims, others differ, but that thought is prevelant.

If I wont believe in Man's interpretation of God, whose interpretation of God should I believe in? Plants and animal's interpretation? If you know who and what God is, do let us know, but also know that you are a Man too and your interpretation would be equally worth the contempt of other beings just like you are being of theirs.

So whose slave are you?

WTF ...I thought for GOD all human beings are same.

How can they be the same if he created us tall, short, fat, dark, light, man, women, etc etc? Do you understand logic? He created us different so that we can have different experiences logic tells me.

Dont muslim pray outside the Mosque like you do pooja at your home or some other place?
Like you got temple as symbol they got Mosque as symbol ..
GOD never said make mosque/temple/church for me ....so called Gods Men for there benefits made this as there business/power/socio/cultural centers.

Yeah Muslims pray outside too, that is why I am asking them why they need the mosque.

If you do not like the idea of symbols for Hindus then why are you so insistent on giving symbols for Muslims.

Did GOD come and personally tell you that you should not build the temple or mosque or church? Do you have his telephone number? I want to speak to God too.

So called God's men benefits, huh? Is that not good? Are you saying we should not have business/power/ socio/cultural centers? What would you like? Should we set fire to this country and go and live in a desert where there is no business/power/sociocultural centers?

 

[Viny]

ayodhya is holy beacause it is widely believed to be the birth place of lord ram , there is no way it could be compared with other temples wch dnt hav any religious or historical significance...

Ayodhya as a city name has historical importance in Hindu religious mythology.
It doesnt make a specific temple in Ayodhya more holy then other temples in Ayodhya or anywhere else.
It just adds to historical importance of having a temple in Ayodhya and has nothing do with holyness. Ram Mandir be in Ayodhya or be in Lahore is eually holy.

babrs razing dwn of temple was due to hate towards hindus and and there religion.. and my pride lies solely on love towards my religion and watching a ram temple built in ayodhya , which is the sites true identity..

Baber also tried to establish his regilious might.
And same is what you are trying to do by building a temple over a mosque which was previously a temple.
Why do you want the temple at place of mosque only. Why not anywhere else in Ayodhya?
Sticking to building a temple at place of mosuqe where there was a temple in past is just a fight against muslim because they took over some temple in past. If you have legitimaate religious concerns about RAM and Ayodhya connection, you could have build a world class temple at any place in Ayodhya, there was land given for same. But no, its fight of religion under the cover.

you are completely wrong, hindus always built back there temples after they being razed down , somnath and kashi temples .... and then y do u see any wrng in takng back a holy sight that belongs to hindus....u dnt have to be in a war with any religion to standup against the injustices that has happend to u , and to safeguard u r rghts.. are we dwn to a stage where

I am not sure if there was a mosque built at Somanth, so i am not sure what connection you trying to establish.

, hindus asking for there rghts and tryng to build a temple at one of their holiest places is considered as establishing a hindu country ???

Is that particular piece of the land in the entire city of Ayodhya is the holiest place in the world for hindus?
Cant the temple be built at some other place in Ayodhya for Hindu religious significance?

 

[itachiii]

@Viny before comparing a masjid with a temple , watch this video...(esp. from 1.00min )

 

[vsdave2302]

First of all, Communities don't drop from the sky.

Now...

1. No community has done that. Except for the Sikhs.The Secular Socialist Government destroyed and rebuilt the Akal Takht. But the Sikhs tore the Takht down because it was not Akal and rebuilt it. @Sidak can help you how the secular State works.

2. You are free to forget and do what you wish. Does not take away the right of others who don't wish so. The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya will come up soon. You are cordially invited.
The Kashi Vishyanath and Mathura will be reclaimed. Will invite you there as well. Please have patience.

Btw I notice an interesting thing here - you say -'if the temple existed'. Do you have any doubts? Regarding that?
Here take a sample -
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Interesting, nah?
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This is in Benares, a part of the Mosque complex.

Just two of the holiest of the places of heathens and pagans.


The pseudo seculars must be loosing their marbles now. This is a catastrophe of Titanic proportions.

The picture clearly shows that the so called masjid was an actual hindu temple with Some minars and wall constructed on one side of the tample. Mow Muslims should not have any problem in handing over the structure to hindus.

 

[Viny]

Yes, kaffirs are to be subjugated or exterminated according to some Muslims, others differ, but that thought is prevelant.

If I wont believe in Man's interpretation of God, whose interpretation of God should I believe in? Plants and animal's interpretation? If you know who and what God is, do let us know, but also know that you are a Man too and your interpretation would be equally worth the contempt of other beings just like you are being of theirs.

So whose slave are you?

Relationship between GOD and Human being is not of Master and Slave, if you take it that way you are doing slavery of so called God Men's.

How can they be the same if he created us tall, short, fat, dark, light, man, women, etc etc? Do you understand logic? He created us different so that we can have different experiences logic tells me.

Does a dark Hindu has different God then a brown Hindu.
Or does a short Hindu has different God then tall Hindu
Or does a male Hindu has different God then Female Hindu...
Your logic sounds so crazy...

GOD is GOD, he remains same no matter if you are male or female, if you dark of white, if you are tall or short or if you physically or mentally challenged.

Yeah Muslims pray outside too, that is why I am asking them why they need the mosque.

If you do not like the idea of symbols for Hindus then why are you so insistent on giving symbols for Muslims.

Did I said go and destroy a temple and build a mosque over it?

Did GOD come and personally tell you that you should not build the temple or mosque or church? Do you have his telephone number? I want to speak to God too.

Going by same logic did it came to you or your GOD mens and said build a temple for me?
Can you get his telephone number to me, I want to get a clarification from God on this matter.

So called God's men benefits, huh? Is that not good? Are you saying we should not have business/power/ socio/cultural centers? What would you like? Should we set fire to this country and go and live in a desert where there is no business/power/sociocultural centers?

Nopes making fool out of people on the name of God is not good.
Business/Governance/Power should be independent of Religions if you mix then in multi ethnic and multi religious society then clashes cannot be avoided.

@Viny before comparing a masjid with a temple , watch this video...(esp. from 1.00min )

Going by this logic if no pran pratisha is done then its not a religious place ...gosh...
You mean GuruDwara is also not a religious place and similarly the Naam Ghar used by Assamese is also not a religious place.

Any place which is used by common public for connecting himself with his GOD should be considered a place of religious importance. Not every religion is Idols based and you cannot look all the global religion with your religious glasses, for that you whould have to remove the glasses and see the world.

And even in India we destroy the temples for building roads or public utility for that matter on similar grounds.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Muslims can construct Babri Masjid anywhere else but Ram Janmabhoomi Mandir can be constructed on the said site only. Any which ways why do Muslims want the Garba Garh to construct the masjid. I believe the Allahabad High Court judgement was spot on as it did justice to all parties

 

[itachiii]

Ayodhya as a city name has historical importance in Hindu religious mythology.
It doesnt make a specific temple in Ayodhya more holy then other temples in Ayodhya or anywhere else.
It just adds to historical importance of having a temple in Ayodhya and has nothing do with holyness. Ram Mandir be in Ayodhya or be in Lahore is eually holy.

the place where temple was razed dwn is highly reverd to be a place where lord ram was born , nw hw do u defend u r logic fr havng a masjid by destroying the holy temple ??

Baber also tried to establish his regilious might.
And same is what you are trying to do by building a temple over a mosque which was previously a temple.
Why do you want the temple at place of mosque only. Why not anywhere else in Ayodhya?
Sticking to building a temple at place of mosuqe where there was a temple in past is just a fight against muslim because they took over some temple in past. If you have legitimaate religious concerns about RAM and Ayodhya connection, you could have build a world class temple at any place in Ayodhya, there was land given for same. But no, its fight of religion under the cover.

so everytym a religious nut job destroys my holy site , i have to find a new place to build my temple , and if even tat site is destroyed fnd an other place till a day comes where i hav no space left to follow my religion rt ??? and atlast wen tat day cmes upon then i have to either leave this place or change my religion or get killed fr being a hindu rt ?? ( as wat happend with hindus in pakistan, bangladesh and in kashmir)

Is that particular piece of the land in the entire city of Ayodhya is the holiest place in the world for hindus?
Cant the temple be built at some other place in Ayodhya for Hindu religious significance?

yes , that particular piece of land is believed to be the place where lord ram was born so it is of significance to hindus ...y dnt u ask muslims to build a mosque at sme other place ?? y are they harping on to a land dsnt belong to them ??
(and for your info. even hindus accepted to help muslims to build a mosque in an other place in ayodhya)

 

[Viny]

the place where temple was razed dwn is highly reverd to be a place where lord ram was born , nw hw do u defend u r logic fr havng a masjid by destroying the holy temple ??



so everytym a religious nut job destroys my holy site , i have to find a new place to build my temple , and if even tat site is destroyed fnd an other place till a day comes where i hav no space left to follow my religion rt ??? and atlast wen tat day cmes upon then i have to either leave this place or change my religion or get killed fr being a hindu rt ?? ( as wat happend with hindus in pakistan, bangladesh and in kashmir)



yes , that particular piece of land is believed to be the place where lord ram was born so it is of significance to hindus ...y dnt u ask muslims to build a mosque at sme other place ?? y are they harping on to a land dsnt belong to them ??
(and for your info. even hindus accepted to help muslims to build a mosque in an other place in ayodhya)

Sorry the version of Ramayan that i read didnt had GPS co-ordinates of the exact location of place where ram was born.

Also I find hard to understand, when we can have places like Ankorwat, Menakshi Temple, Khajurao temple or many other majestic temples, why the hell no King ever build a massive scale temple at that particular location. Given that RAM is biggest GOD figure in Hindu mythology and its so called exact birth location location of RAM

 

[abjktu]

Yes unfortunately we have the same situation here, he wants to open arrack/toddy shops (kallu shops) here instead of Industries.

??????? you mean local palm toddy outlets??..or the foreign liquor/beer outlets???..
In Kerala wholesale and retail sale of foreign liquor comes under BEVCO,a public sector company owned by Kerala government..They have nearly 330 outlets and are getting huge revenue from the high excise duty(thnx to unnatural drinking habit of Malayalis) ....Actually its the only profitable public sector company of Kerala government and major source of state revenue...

 

[Saheli]

Relationship between GOD and Human being is not of Master and Slave, if you take it that way you are doing slavery of so called God Men's

Who told you that? You are a man. Why should I take your word? Who told you I want to be slave of God? Or slave of men? Who are God Men's?

Does a dark Hindu has different God then a brown Hindu.
Or does a short Hindu has different God then tall Hindu
Or does a male Hindu has different God then Female Hindu...
Your logic sounds so crazy...

GOD is GOD, he remains same no matter if you are male or female, if you dark of white, if you are tall or short or if you physically or mentally challenged.

No, you are reversing your own argument. You did not say God is same for all Hindus. You said all are same to God. So we are talking if all human beings are same, then why are they born different?

Did I said go and destroy a temple and build a mosque over it?

No, but you want them to enjoy the mosque built by unfair means. You like injustice I think, especially when Muslims are the benefactors.

Going by same logic did it came to you or your GOD mens and said build a temple for me?
Can you get his telephone number to me, I want to get a clarification from God on this matter.

No, I never spoke for God. I did not say God told me or God's men told me. I just said I want a temple there. It is my need and want that I am trying to fulfill. Since you claimed to have info about what God wants, I asked for his number from you.

Nopes making fool out of people on the name of God is not good.
Business/Governance/Power should be independent of Religions if you mix then in multi ethnic and multi religious society then clashes cannot be avoided.

Who is to say who is making a fool out of who? Why should business/governance/power be independent of religion? All religions have power. All religions have business. All religions need governance. Clashes are present even when there is no business/governance/or power with religion. Atheist countries fight and kill too.

 

[abjktu]

MIM has no angle in it, they are neither pro or anti-Telangana, they are only concerned about muslims as long as muslims get funds,

Why should they want to care about telegus??...MIM is basically a Muslim dominated party,so naturally they work for the Muslim interest...Moreover they are predominantly Urdu speakers,They have no linguistic/cultural relationship with telegus..