Babri Masjid case: Set 'Ram Lalla' free, says oldest litigant Hashim Ansari

[wolfpack]

Was that against me??..Do you know me personally??...I have never preached or supported Christianity/ conversion or poked fun on other religions(like you peoples are doing) in this forum..Moreover i am not a practicing Christian...
You peoples can't even live with your own telegu hindu brothers of Andra pradesh,let alone other faith telegus..

I meant in general not against you.
LOL who said we cant live with other telugus, they are still living in both states.Whatever happened was the crude calculation of congress and for which it split the state for a few seats congress lost their biggest leader in south YSR who gave them 40 mp seats in two consecutive elections,he was gone and there was a internal faction fights to fill that vaccum the central command assessed the situation,if congress was in a winning position nationwide it wouldn't have split the state,as it was losing it thought to get atleast some seats in TG by splitting the state and increase their seat tally, it was all about saving their skin and stop Namo from becoming PM,nothing to do with Telugu vs Telugu..You dont know the whole deal.

 

[abjktu]

I meant in general not against you.
LOL who said we cant live with other telugus, they are still living in both states.Whatever happened was the crude calculation of congress and for which it split the state for a few seats congress lost their biggest leader in south YSR who gave them 40 mp seats in two consecutive elections,he was gone and there was a internal faction fights to fill that vaccum the central command assessed the situation,if congress was in a winning position nationwide it wouldn't have split the state,as it was losing it thought to get atleast some seats in TG by splitting the state and increase their seat tally, it was all about saving their skin and stop Namo from becoming PM,nothing to do with Telugu vs Telugu..You dont know the whole deal.

But the telegana movement had already been in and around Hyderabad since 1970...I have heard many reasons for the split like Telegana peoples were neglected and discriminated in government jobs,fund allocations etc,Telegus from andra side are stealing their jobs in Hyderabad,Government funds were diverted into Andra region, politicans/ministers are predominantly from andra region,They used to mock telegana telegu slang...Any truth in it??

 

[wolfpack]

But the telegana movement had already been in and around Hyderabad since 1970...I have heard many reasons for the split like Telegana peoples were neglected and discriminated in government jobs,fund allocations etc,Telegus from andra side are stealing their jobs in Hyderabad,Government funds were diverted into Andra region, politicans/ministers are predominantly from andra region,They used to mock telegana telegu slang...Any truth in it??

The Reunification of both andhra and deccan started because the telugus in tG were being harassed by Nizam and ram teertha and many others form andhra helped them fight the razakars,It was ok for TG people ,but there were some poltiicians like the dravidian politicians of TN who felt they were left out and not getting any importance so they raised the bogey of exploitation of TG by andhra, that time the literacy rate in TG was very less so many rural folks believed the story just as congress exploited people in the name of garibi hatao all these years, in 1970 my father was Student leader in Osmania University, the whole debacle was started by Channa reddy for his personal ambition to become a CM he promised the moon to TG people and students, many students were killed when Governor gave the order to shoot on sight, Then Indira gandhi called the trouble maker and offered him CM post and he promptly dropped TG struggle without a word and those students who protested for 2 years neglecting their studies had to pay the price and they destroyed the CMs house and that was the end of TG agitation of 1970's
Now when in 2000 KCR was not offered Home ministers post he again raised the bogey of exploitation of TG by andhra and formed TRS,
Now you know these are opportunistic politics just like Congress and other secular parties play all over India.
Congress made its calculations and for few seats it split the state at the end, mind you it did not pass the bill till the last 2 months before LS elections as they were horse trading and trying to see if they could win etc.When it became evident they will lose, they cut losses and ran by bifurcation..
Do you know KCR himself is a andhra guy from vizianagarama in Coastal andhra, whose ancestors migrated to Hyderabad 2 generations ago and he suddenly becomes TG guy and his Andhra ancestors become bad guys? wow .
KCR promised the moon and jobs for everyone just like chenna reddy did earlier fooling people and TG people being not so literate fell for the hope of getting jobs and now he says there are no jobs.
How can you generate jobs by bifurcation?You are not inviting any new industries infact he is losing all industries who are lining up to shift to Andhra because they know CBN is a task master.
Its a long story i will give you links if you have time to read the whole thing,
in short its nothing but opportunistic politics by KCR(whom himself is from andhra) and Congress for few seats.

 

[Fireurimagination]

Kashi’s Muslim women back Ansari’s ‘free Ram Lalla’ desire

 

[Viny]

Which is exactly why I don't want all mosques demolished. I want the three holiest of our pilgrimages returned to us. As a symbolic demand I believe it is fair. Like buildings in Mecca and Medina or Rome and Vatican, I wish these three Hindu sites return to the custodianship of Dharmics. Now two actually.

And how do you think govt will be able to handle the similar demands at regional levels, where a community comes up as says they belive in XYZ goddess and for them she comes first then trimurti, and hence they should also be allowed to build the temple in place of mosque or some other religious place.

Whats lost in history should be forgotten, if you have so much of a desire to remember the history build something in same region. Like Dwarka was lost and now what stands on ground is rebuilt Dwarka.

If the temple existed in structure and was occupied forcefully and no structural changes where done to accommodate other religious beliefs then taking over those structures could make some sense. But demolishing someones worshiping place for building your own makes us no better than those Moguls who at first did the same to build there mosques.

 

[SarthakGanguly]

And how do you think govt will be able to handle the similar demands at regional levels, where a community comes up as says they belive in XYZ goddess and for them she comes first then trimurti, and hence they should also be allowed to build the temple in place of mosque or some other religious place.

Whats lost in history should be forgotten, if you have so much of a desire to remember the history build something in same region. Like Dwarka was lost and now what stands on ground is rebuilt Dwarka.

If the temple existed in structure and was occupied forcefully and no structural changes where done to accommodate other religious beliefs then taking over those structures could make some sense. But demolishing someones worshiping place for building your own makes us no better than those Moguls who at first did the same to build there mosques.

First of all, Communities don't drop from the sky.

Now...

1. No community has done that. Except for the Sikhs.The Secular Socialist Government destroyed and rebuilt the Akal Takht. But the Sikhs tore the Takht down because it was not Akal and rebuilt it. @Sidak can help you how the secular State works.

2. You are free to forget and do what you wish. Does not take away the right of others who don't wish so. The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya will come up soon. You are cordially invited.
The Kashi Vishyanath and Mathura will be reclaimed. Will invite you there as well. Please have patience.

Btw I notice an interesting thing here - you say -'if the temple existed'. Do you have any doubts? Regarding that?
Here take a sample -

Interesting, nah?

This is in Benares, a part of the Mosque complex.

Just two of the holiest of the places of heathens and pagans.

Kashi’s Muslim women back Ansari’s ‘free Ram Lalla’ desire

The pseudo seculars must be loosing their marbles now. This is a catastrophe of Titanic proportions.

 

[abjktu]

in short its nothing but opportunistic politics by KCR(whom himself is from andhra) and Congress for few seats.

OK..What is the current situation in the state??..Read about the power shortage ,water crisis and many industries are planning to shift their base to Andra??..And the current government have no vision or plan to overcome this crisis??..

 

[Viny]

First of all, Communities don't drop from the sky.

Now...

1. No community has done that. Except for the Sikhs.The Secular Socialist Government destroyed and rebuilt the Akal Takht. But the Sikhs tore the Takht down because it was not Akal and rebuilt it. @Sidak can help you how the secular State works.

2. You are free to forget and do what you wish. Does not take away the right of others who don't wish so. The Ram Mandir at Ayodhya will come up soon. You are cordially invited.
The Kashi Vishyanath and Mathura will be reclaimed. Will invite you there as well. Please have patience.

Btw I notice an interesting thing here - you say -'if the temple existed'. Do you have any doubts? Regarding that?
Here take a sample -
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Interesting, nah?
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This is in Benares, a part of the Mosque complex.

Just two of the holiest of the places of heathens and pagans.


The pseudo seculars must be loosing their marbles now. This is a catastrophe of Titanic proportions.

Firstly, Why to destroy some place of worship because someone in past destroyed it.
Does it makes any difference if you worship at your home or at some xyz temple. God is everywhere, why do you want to symbolize it to a location. Will Ram become any smaller if he doesnt have temple at so called location in Ayhodya. Hinduism is sanatan dharm and is all about your karmas. With all the money and energy that is been put behind building a temple at a place of mosque which is also a place of worship is all all foolishness and showoff. It would have been better if same efforts, energy and money was spent to build a hospital that would serve the mankind. If you dont see god in a human, then you wont see the god even if you build a temple out of gold at so called holy place.

Get over marking the land on the name of religion.

 

[Parul]

First of all, Communities don't drop from the sky.

@Sidak can help you how the secular State works.

I don't want to break forum's and India's Secularism.

 

[Jaat Rock]

I don't want to break forum's and India's Secularism.

Kis baat ka rolla ho raya hai ??

 

[Parul]

Kis baat ka rolla ho raya hai ??

Tau, koi rolla nahi paya.

 

[Jaat Rock]

Tau, koi rolla nahi paya.

Indian Secularism par discussion dekh me tension me padh jata hu

 

[Parul]

Indian Secularism par discussion dekh me tension me padh jata hu

Tau tujhe tension hoti hai, mujhe daar lagta hai aur roouna aata hai. Secularism pay Mitti Paaoo.

 

[Jaanbaz]

Pakistan should exploit this.

 

[Parul]

Pakistan should exploit this.

Pakistan is already exploiting itself. Hence, it can't.j/k